Re: Penalty of SELinux?

2007-09-25 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 05:04:15 -0400, Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: There are 2 approaches to application security that I am aware of: app-armour and SELinux. Debian has SELinux, although Ubuntu now has both and seems to be favouring app-armour for some odd reason that I have not

Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX

2007-09-25 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:30:35 -0700, Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Neil Watson wrote: With TeX and LaTeX and its ilk the templates actually work. I can use the same template for all of my reports and they always look the same. There are no annoying format inconsistencies that are so

Re: xmodmap again - not solved after all

2007-09-25 Thread Mumia W..
On 09/25/2007 09:25 AM, Anthony Campbell wrote: I've twice thought I'd solved this one but no. To recap: my .xinitrc contains the line: xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap. which has worked for many months or even years. In the last couple of weeks the command is not being run. I tried putting the full path to

Re: Penalty of SELinux?

2007-09-25 Thread Mumia W..
On 09/25/2007 08:41 AM, Ron Johnson wrote: On 09/24/07 22:16, Mumia W.. wrote: [...] Your Debian machine is probably not dependent upon tcl, but Debian has been dependent upon python for a long time. Base install is dependent on Python? I find that very hard to believe. Well what do you

Re: Installing 2 Linux on one HD.

2007-09-25 Thread H.S.
Yazad Khambata wrote: Hi all, I have 2 hard drives on one I have windows installed. The other is used by me for Linux installation... I first installed Debian 4.0; during installation it asked me about GRUB and it aslo asked me if I had Windows XP/2000. All was well... I could log

Re: How to reply in the mailing lists

2007-09-25 Thread Kamaraju S Kusumanchi
Celejar wrote: On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 00:07:19 -0400 Kamaraju S Kusumanchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Being super lazy by nature, I count the number of key strokes to achieve the end result. If you are using knode all it takes is one key stroke - 'r'. Comparing that to your method counts as a

Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX

2007-09-25 Thread Steve Lamb
Manoj Srivastava wrote: These people do not accept PDF? wow. I surmise it is because they have word processors for document modification during the editing process. PDF is mainly a display format, not an editable format. Seems incongruous with accepting printed submissions but

Re: ATI or Nvidia

2007-09-25 Thread Dan Serban
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Guillermo Garron wrote: Hi, I have my system as dual boot, Debian Etch and ubuntu Gutsy, I am asking on the Ubuntu list, which is my best option nVidia or ATI, actually I have an ATI Radeon X300, and I want to change it. Difficult question as

UTF-8 support in Latex (was: Tool for document management)

2007-09-25 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 17:37:52 +0200, Hans Vogelsberger wrote: [...] Some years ago I changed from LyX to OpenOffice. These days I tried to change back. One of the reasons was that there is no grep possible in OO. I believe that the common desktop search tools can search and index OASIS

Re: two workstation on etch

2007-09-25 Thread heba
2007/9/25, Gabrielle Chatelet [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You can do a: apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade those 40 packages that are not upgraded. thanks, done...^^ regards, -- heba -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: undigesting and filtering by list-id

2007-09-25 Thread John L Fjellstad
Ken Irving [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OT, but one concern I have is that stuff like this gets added to .procmailrc but rarely if ever gets taken out. Sometime it might be nice to move to a more transparent, less arcane filtering system, and maybe such a system could keep track of how often

Re: Penalty of SELinux?

2007-09-25 Thread Mike McCarty
Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 03:11:39 -0500, Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: [snip] packages. It is fewer than that. Compared to 10k source packages, however, even the bloated figure of 50 is few. BTW, I count 29 packages. I was using the published figure for Red Hat.

Re: xconfig for Dell LCD's during etch install

2007-09-25 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 09:37:15PM +1200, C.T.F. Jansen wrote: Greetings, Is the Xconfig* file in X11, or whatever Xorg (?) uses, correctly setup during the install of Debian 4.0r1 on a Dell 3000 box that has a LCD display ? debian now uses xorg. the config file is /etc/X11/xorg.conf

Re: How to reply in the mailing lists

2007-09-25 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:06:38 -0400 Michael Marsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/25/07, Celejar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:38:29 -0400 Michael Marsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For me, it's a matter of all clients sucking. Gmail gives me the google search algorithm

Re: Penalty of SELinux?

2007-09-25 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:28:13 -0500, Mike McCarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Manoj Srivastava wrote: As I said, it might be a good starting place. If the patching of the source is done right, it's dependent upon a define anyway. I don't have high hopes for that. All the patches I have

Debian may lose a user

2007-09-25 Thread Mike McCarty
I have some feedback about my GF who uses Debian at my suggestion. I have no irons in the fire on this one, as I don't use Debian, though I do administer her machine for her. So, please don't take this as a complaint from me, as it isn't. I'm simply informing the Debian forum of a situation.

Re: trying to get the windows icq program QQ to work under etch

2007-09-25 Thread tom arnall
On Tuesday 25 September 2007 09:48, you wrote: On 25/09/2007, tom arnall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 24 September 2007 19:32, you wrote: On 25/09/2007, tom arnall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 24 September 2007 17:54, you wrote: On 25/09/2007, tom arnall [EMAIL

Re: Debian may lose a user

2007-09-25 Thread Mike Bird
On Tuesday 25 September 2007 09:55, Mike McCarty wrote: (big snip) Anyway, that's it, FWIW. Long message wth no specifics. No way to help you. --Mike Bird -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Debian may lose a user

2007-09-25 Thread Mike McCarty
Mike Bird wrote: On Tuesday 25 September 2007 09:55, Mike McCarty wrote: (big snip) Anyway, that's it, FWIW. Long message wth no specifics. No way to help you. I wasn't asking for help. I'm telling you that due to perceived lack of help, a user is leaving (or at least it seems to me that

Re: trying to get the windows icq program QQ to work under etch

2007-09-25 Thread Jeff D
On Mon, 24 Sep 2007, tom arnall wrote: On Monday 24 September 2007 14:19, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 02:05:45PM -0700, tom arnall wrote: I am trying to get the windows icq program QQ to work under etch. I can get it to install, but when I try to run it the thing dies and I

Re: Warning: attempt to remove nonexistent passive grab

2007-09-25 Thread Amit Uttamchandani
When I launch xpdf from a CLI or from within mc (by hitting 'enter' on a pdf) and then close xpdf I always sees that message. I don't know what it means, but it seems harmless. Yes, I have the same issue but it does look quite harmless. -- Amit Uttamchandani [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To

Problem with apt-get update command: failed to fetch packages 404 not found

2007-09-25 Thread Steve Lam
I have a problem with 'apt-get update' command and it bugs me for weeks. I've tried to update Debian with the command 'apt-get update' and it failed to fetch packages. I've fixed the etc/apt/sources.list file but It doesn't help me at all. I've tried apt-setup and it failed as well with the same

Re: How do I know debian has detected all my hardware?

2007-09-25 Thread Amit Uttamchandani
Hello Amit, i could try to install a package called lshw (apt-get install lshw). DESCRIPTION lshw is a small tool to extract detailed information on the hardware configuration of the machine. It can report exact memory configuration, firmware version, mainboard

Re: xmodmap again - not solved after all

2007-09-25 Thread Sjoerd Hiemstra
Anthony Campbell wrote: my .xinitrc contains the line: xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap. which has worked for many months or even years. In the last couple of weeks the command is not being run. [] Has no one else seen this behaviour? I saw this behaviour when I stopped using gdm, and went to use

Re: Debian may lose a user

2007-09-25 Thread Mark Phillips
On Tue, 2007-09-25 at 12:36 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: Mike Bird wrote: On Tuesday 25 September 2007 09:55, Mike McCarty wrote: (big snip) Anyway, that's it, FWIW. Long message wth no specifics. No way to help you. I wasn't asking for help. I'm telling you that due to perceived

Re: Debian may lose a user

2007-09-25 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Tuesday 25 September 2007, Mike McCarty wrote: Mike Bird wrote: On Tuesday 25 September 2007 09:55, Mike McCarty wrote: (big snip) Anyway, that's it, FWIW. Long message wth no specifics. No way to help you. I wasn't asking for help. I'm telling you that due to perceived lack of

Re: Problem with apt-get update command: failed to fetch packages 404 not found

2007-09-25 Thread Jeff D
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, Steve Lam wrote: I have a problem with 'apt-get update' command and it bugs me for weeks. I've tried to update Debian with the command 'apt-get update' and it failed to fetch packages. I've fixed the etc/apt/sources.list file but It doesn't help me at all. I've tried

Re: Debian may lose a user

2007-09-25 Thread Joe
Mike McCarty wrote: I provide this only to let you know that it looks like Debian is going to lose a user to Windows shortly, due to perceived lack of concern over user's difficulties shown by those who do support for Debian. I have gently nudged her in the direction of sticking with it a

trouble installing pidgin (was: trying to get the windows icq program QQ to work under etch)

2007-09-25 Thread tom arnall
Peter, i tried another approach. i just read that qq has been merged with the new gaim, called pidgin, so i attempted to install pidgin. i was able to configure the source but compile died in the 'make'. with the .rpm i got a .deb file, which i then did 'dpkg -i' on. e'thing seemed to go

Re: Problem with apt-get update command: failed to fetch packages 404 not found

2007-09-25 Thread Steve Lam
I've replace 'sarge' with 'oldstable' once. Now I try again and apt-get update gives the same result: Failed to fetch packages 404 not found. Here is the output from apt-get update: Err http://debian.yorku.ca oldstable/main Packages 404 Not Found Err http://security.debian.org

Re: Debian may lose a user

2007-09-25 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 12:36:11PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: Mike Bird wrote: On Tuesday 25 September 2007 09:55, Mike McCarty wrote: (big snip) Anyway, that's it, FWIW. Long message wth no specifics. No way to help you. I wasn't asking for help. I'm telling you that due to perceived

Is there a Vtubes solution for debian

2007-09-25 Thread Jabka Atu
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello,... im searching for debian (free) solution to use as vtubes. Vtubes is an terminal application that creates sevral forks of terminal that connot to distant computers (MainFrames , Unix machines etc) . i don't know how the connection is

Re: Debian may lose a user

2007-09-25 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Tuesday 25 September 2007, Joe wrote: Mike McCarty wrote: I provide this only to let you know that it looks like Debian is going to lose a user to Windows shortly, due to perceived lack of concern over user's difficulties shown by those who do support for Debian. I have gently nudged

Re: trouble installing pidgin (was: trying to get the windows icq program QQ to work under etch)

2007-09-25 Thread Jeff D
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, tom arnall wrote: Peter, i tried another approach. i just read that qq has been merged with the new gaim, called pidgin, so i attempted to install pidgin. i was able to configure the source but compile died in the 'make'. with the .rpm i got a .deb file, which i then did

Re: Debian may lose a user

2007-09-25 Thread John Hasler
Mark Phillips writes: If you want a telephone number, and (almost) instant gratification, then your GF should use Windows. No, she should contract for paid support for Debian. It is available. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe.

Re: Debian may lose a user

2007-09-25 Thread Martin Marcher
Hello, I'm interested in the job offer you posted on [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have several years of experience in Desktop and Server systems with debian and other linux distributions. I charge by the hour, every started hour is normally EUR 50. Contact me privately if you are interested. I also do

Re: trouble installing pidgin (was: trying to get the windows icq program QQ to work under etch)

2007-09-25 Thread Michael Shuler
On 09/25/2007 01:16 PM, tom arnall wrote: warning: pidgin-2.2.0-0.src.rpm: Header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID a9464aa9warning: pidgin-2.2.0-0.src.rpm: Header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID a9464aa9pidgin_2.2.0-1_i386.deb generated debian:/home/kloro/zips/pidginRH#

Re: How do I know debian has detected all my hardware?

2007-09-25 Thread Martin Marcher
2007/9/25, Amit Uttamchandani [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thank you for the suggestion. This is definitely the tool that I was looking for! I am still curious, however, if this actually shows all my hardware? I guess the best comparison would be to Windows Device Manager where it shows you all

Re: Debian may lose a user

2007-09-25 Thread Larry Irwin
On: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:21 PM Hal Said: There are always those who want everything and won't be happy no matter what they get. Oddly enough, I find a lot of people complain more about something they get for free than something they pay for. I've only had one item I've ever identified

Re: trying to get the windows icq program QQ to work under etch

2007-09-25 Thread tom arnall
On Tuesday 25 September 2007 10:40, Jeff D wrote: On Mon, 24 Sep 2007, tom arnall wrote: On Monday 24 September 2007 14:19, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 02:05:45PM -0700, tom arnall wrote: I am trying to get the windows icq program QQ to work under etch. I can get it to

Re: GNOME: Associate multiple queues with one printer: HOW?

2007-09-25 Thread Wayne Topa
Mike McCarty([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said: My GF has a Debian/GNOME/CUPS machine, and wishes to associate more than one queue with it. I use Fedora/GNOME/CUPS and have no problem doing that, but so far have failed to manage it with Debian. Can anyone help me get her machine set

Re: Debian may lose a user

2007-09-25 Thread Steve Lamb
Mike McCarty wrote: I provide this only to let you know that it looks like Debian is going to lose a user to Windows shortly, due to perceived lack of concern over user's difficulties shown by those who do support for Debian. The real problem here is that Linux is losing a user to

Re: trouble installing pidgin (was: trying to get the windows icq program QQ to work under etch)

2007-09-25 Thread tom arnall
On Tuesday 25 September 2007 11:24, Jeff D wrote: On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, tom arnall wrote: Peter, i tried another approach. i just read that qq has been merged with the new gaim, called pidgin, so i attempted to install pidgin. i was able to configure the source but compile died in the

Re: trouble installing pidgin (was: trying to get the windows icq program QQ to work under etch)

2007-09-25 Thread Jeff D
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, tom arnall wrote: On Tuesday 25 September 2007 11:24, Jeff D wrote: On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, tom arnall wrote: Peter, i tried another approach. i just read that qq has been merged with the new gaim, called pidgin, so i attempted to install pidgin. i was able to configure the

Problem with apt-get update command: failed to fetch packages 404 not found

2007-09-25 Thread Steve Lam
I've replaced 'sarge' with 'oldstable' once. Now I try again with 'apt-get update' and it gives the same problem: Failed to fetch packages 404 not found. Any help is appreciated. Here is the output from apt-get update: Err http://debian.yorku.ca oldstable/main Packages 404 Not Found Err

Re: GNOME: Associate multiple queues with one printer: HOW?

2007-09-25 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 02:33:16PM -0400, Wayne Topa wrote: Mike McCarty([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said: My GF has a Debian/GNOME/CUPS machine, and wishes to associate more than one queue with it. I use Fedora/GNOME/CUPS and have no problem doing that, but so far have failed to

Re: trouble installing pidgin (was: trying to get the windows icq program QQ to work under etch)

2007-09-25 Thread tom arnall
On Tuesday 25 September 2007 11:24, Jeff D wrote: On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, tom arnall wrote: Peter, i tried another approach. i just read that qq has been merged with the new gaim, called pidgin, so i attempted to install pidgin. i was able to configure the source but compile died in the

Re: Problem with apt-get update command: failed to fetch packages 404 not found

2007-09-25 Thread Mumia W..
On 09/25/2007 12:49 PM, Steve Lam wrote: I have a problem with 'apt-get update' command and it bugs me for weeks. I've tried to update Debian with the command 'apt-get update' and it failed to fetch packages. I've fixed the etc/apt/sources.list file but It doesn't help me at all. I've tried

Re: trouble installing pidgin (was: trying to get the windows icq program QQ to work under etch)

2007-09-25 Thread Jeff D
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, tom arnall wrote: On Tuesday 25 September 2007 11:24, Jeff D wrote: On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, tom arnall wrote: Peter, i tried another approach. i just read that qq has been merged with the new gaim, called pidgin, so i attempted to install pidgin. i was able to configure the

Re: Debian may lose a user

2007-09-25 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/25/07 11:55, Mike McCarty wrote: I have some feedback about my GF who uses Debian at my suggestion. I have no irons in the fire on this one, as I don't use Debian, though I do administer her machine for her. So, please don't take this as a

Re: Debian may lose a user

2007-09-25 Thread Mike McCarty
Mark Phillips wrote: Mike, you have to realize that support is provided by volunteers who have lives (families, children, jobs, little league, etc.) outside of supporting the software. There is no guarentee of any support when you install Debian. But it is there. You have to learn how to ask,

Re: Debian may lose a user

2007-09-25 Thread Mike McCarty
Hal Vaughan wrote: [...] On the other hand, I did not see a statement in your original letter that said she (or you) actually asked for help on a mailing list or similar forum. Every problem she's had has been reported here with details as well. just before this one, I seriously doubt

Re: Is there a Vtubes solution for debian

2007-09-25 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/25/07 13:16, Jabka Atu wrote: Hello,... im searching for debian (free) solution to use as vtubes. Vtubes is an terminal application that creates sevral forks of terminal that connot to distant computers (MainFrames , Unix machines

Re: Debian may lose a user

2007-09-25 Thread Mike Bird
On Tuesday 25 September 2007 12:45, Mike McCarty wrote: I'm not trying to be mean, either. I'm reporting a single event. We're all volunteers here. You too. If you find time I guess some of us would appreciate your posting links to the previous problems you discussed. And if you don't find

Re: Problem with apt-get update command: failed to fetch packages 404 not found

2007-09-25 Thread Steve Lam
The computer has connected to the router but it has a static IP address. The apt-get command has worked fine before. When I run 'apt-get update', it doesn't complain about sources.list format problem. --- Mumia W.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your sources.list, as posted, isn't formatted well.

Re: How do I know debian has detected all my hardware?

2007-09-25 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/25/07 12:52, Amit Uttamchandani wrote: Hello Amit, i could try to install a package called lshw (apt-get install lshw). DESCRIPTION lshw is a small tool to extract detailed information on the hardware configuration of the machine. It

Re: Debian may lose a user

2007-09-25 Thread Mike McCarty
Martin Marcher wrote: Why is it that simple statments, preceded by disclaimers indicating that they are not complaints, get treated as complaints? Hello, I'm interested in the job offer you posted on [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have several years of experience in Desktop and Server systems with

libgtk2.0-0 and flashplugin-nonfree

2007-09-25 Thread Benjamí Villoslada
From one week ago, the libgtk2.0-0 upgrade (Sid) freezes Konqueror when this browser opens Flash contents: nspluginviewer goes to 100% CPU consumption. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=440165 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=443399 The solution was downgrade

Re: Debian may lose a user

2007-09-25 Thread Mike McCarty
Mike Bird wrote: On Tuesday 25 September 2007 12:45, Mike McCarty wrote: I'm not trying to be mean, either. I'm reporting a single event. We're all volunteers here. You too. If you find time I guess some of us would appreciate your posting links to the previous problems you discussed. And

Re: GNOME: Associate multiple queues with one printer: HOW?

2007-09-25 Thread Mike McCarty
Wayne Topa wrote: Mike McCarty([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said: My GF has a Debian/GNOME/CUPS machine, and wishes to associate more than one queue with it. I use Fedora/GNOME/CUPS and have no problem doing that, but so far have failed to manage it with Debian. Can anyone help me get

Re: trouble installing pidgin (was: trying to get the windows icq program QQ to work under etch)

2007-09-25 Thread tom arnall
On Tuesday 25 September 2007 12:19, Jeff D wrote: On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, tom arnall wrote: On Tuesday 25 September 2007 11:24, Jeff D wrote: On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, tom arnall wrote: Peter, i tried another approach. i just read that qq has been merged with the new gaim, called pidgin, so i

Re: UTF-8 support in Latex (was: Tool for document management)

2007-09-25 Thread David Baron
Some years ago I changed from LyX to OpenOffice. These days I tried to change back. One of the reasons was that there is no grep possible in OO. I believe that the common desktop search tools can search and index OASIS documents. I know that it works with namazu, which I use, and I would

Re: ATI or Nvidia

2007-09-25 Thread Brad Sawatzky
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, Guillermo Garron wrote: I have my system as dual boot, Debian Etch and ubuntu Gutsy, I am asking on the Ubuntu list, which is my best option nVidia or ATI, actually I have an ATI Radeon X300, and I want to change it. In your Debian experience which has better support?,

Re: SAMBA ground-up tutorial?

2007-09-25 Thread Cameron L. Spitzer
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chris Lale wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [This message has also been posted to linux.debian.user.] I've got a Debian bastion host at a small nonprofit. Windoze. We're using CUPS on the Debian box. We want to share all the printers across all the hosts on the

Re: Debian may lose a user

2007-09-25 Thread Hal Vaughan
On Tuesday 25 September 2007, Mike McCarty wrote: Mike Bird wrote: On Tuesday 25 September 2007 12:45, Mike McCarty wrote: I'm not trying to be mean, either. I'm reporting a single event. We're all volunteers here. You too. If you find time I guess some of us would appreciate your

Re: Debian may lose a user

2007-09-25 Thread John Hasler
Mike writes: I provide this information only as an indicator of where there might be an opportunity to win more Windows users and lose fewer. I don't see that you provided any useful information. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe.

Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was: Tool for document management)

2007-09-25 Thread Jochen Schulz
Steve Lamb: To be fair I am operating out a large measure of ignorance. :) One of my main concerns is that the typesetting languages are languages. I'm sure they're robust but I have always seen their use tied to another editor. Since an outside editor is required it is my

Re: Debian may lose a user

2007-09-25 Thread Kent West
Mike McCarty wrote: So, please don't take this as a complaint from me, as it isn't. I'm simply informing the Debian forum of a situation. Wow. Mike takes the time to offer a common courtesy of informing the Debian community of how it's being perceived by Jane Average Girlfriend, and the

Re: Debian may lose a user

2007-09-25 Thread Mike McCarty
John Hasler wrote: I tried to reply off-list, but the email bounced. Mike writes: I provide this information only as an indicator of where there might be an opportunity to win more Windows users and lose fewer. I don't see that you provided any useful information. Then it wasn't directed

Re: Debian may lose a user

2007-09-25 Thread Roger B.A. Klorese
Kent West wrote: Like he said, he's not complaining, or asking for help, or asking for information; he's just saying that we have room for improvement. Well, yes, but it remains to be seen whether everyone considers this room for improvement. A lot of projects and products spend a lot of

Re: Warning: attempt to remove nonexistent passive grab

2007-09-25 Thread Benjamin A'Lee
On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 06:07:46AM -0700, BartlebyScrivener wrote: I searched this group on this error message, which I get at odd times on Debian Etch, usually when using Mutt or xpdf to read an attachment. I'll go to those groups too, but sometimes I think I see it even from the command

Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was: Tool for document management)

2007-09-25 Thread Russell L. Harris
* Jochen Schulz [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070925 16:07]: Steve Lamb: they're robust but I have always seen their use tied to another editor. Since an outside editor is required it is my impression that there is no WYSIWYG, no way to get a basic view of how it might look printed outside of actually

Re: Nomachine on Debian unstable?

2007-09-25 Thread Gilles Mocellin
Le Tuesday 25 September 2007 07:51:12 Stefan Bellon, vous avez écrit : On Tue, 25 Sep, Gilles Mocellin wrote: Le Monday 24 September 2007 08:41:34 Stefan Bellon, vous avez écrit : Hi, [...] I think the problem is here : NX 208 Using auth method: publickey NX 204 Authentication

Who is altering my hostname?

2007-09-25 Thread Florian Lindner
Hello, I have a virtual server with a Debian etch installed by myself from debootstrap. The machine has two IPs assigned: # ifconfig venet0Link encap:UNSPEC HWaddr 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00 inet addr:127.0.0.1 P-t-P:127.0.0.1 Bcast:0.0.0.0

Re: Who is altering my hostname?

2007-09-25 Thread Florian Lindner
Am Mittwoch, 26. September 2007 schrieb Florian Lindner: Hello, I have a virtual server with a Debian etch installed by myself from debootstrap. The machine has two IPs assigned: [...] Any idea what makes these two files changing and how to avoid it? Additional information, ping does not

Re: GNOME: Associate multiple queues with one printer: HOW?

2007-09-25 Thread Gabriel Parrondo
El mar, 25-09-2007 a las 15:04 -0500, Mike McCarty escribió: Wayne Topa wrote: Mike McCarty([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said: My GF has a Debian/GNOME/CUPS machine, and wishes to associate more than one queue with it. I use Fedora/GNOME/CUPS and have no problem doing that, but

Re: Who is altering my hostname?

2007-09-25 Thread Gabriel Parrondo
El mié, 26-09-2007 a las 00:04 +0200, Florian Lindner escribió: Hello, I have a virtual server with a Debian etch installed by myself from debootstrap. The machine has two IPs assigned: # ifconfig [snip output] The interface config I have set in /etc/network/interfaces copied from the

Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was: Tool for document management)

2007-09-25 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 07:30:35AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: Neil Watson wrote: With TeX and LaTeX and its ilk the templates actually work. I can use the same template for all of my reports and they always look the same. There are no annoying format inconsistencies that are so common with

Re: Debian may lose a user

2007-09-25 Thread Miles Bader
Kent West [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wow. Mike takes the time to offer a common courtesy of informing the Debian community of how it's being perceived by Jane Average Girlfriend, and the community jumps all over him about various aspects. Why was it courteous? Despite the polite tone, it

Re: Debian may lose a user

2007-09-25 Thread Charlie
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007, Mike McCarty shared this with us all: --} Anyway, that's it, FWIW. --} As interesting as this appears Mike, it again shows the main difference between operating systems that supply everything a user requires, and one that supplies everything, but the user has to be willing

Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was: Tool for document management)

2007-09-25 Thread David Brodbeck
On Sep 25, 2007, at 8:01 AM, Steve Lamb wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: PDF? Haven't seen it as an acceptable format for submission, no. Some on-demand publishers use it. For example, Lulu.com. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble?

Num Lock nor Caps Lock LEDs working in Sid

2007-09-25 Thread Nate Bargmann
This is one of the joys of using Sid. ;-) I noticed over the weekend when using OOo Calc that pressing Num Lock on my IBM PS/2 keyborad did nothing. Neither the LED lit nor did Calc receive numerals from the keypad. I can switch to a VT and the LEDs light correctly and the keyboard output is

Re: Debian may lose a user

2007-09-25 Thread John Hasler
Mike writes: There are those here who have expressed a desire for Linux to be a viable alternative to Windows for more users. It was directed at those people. You told us that some unnamed person had unidentified problems which they reported in some unknown way with reportedly unsatisfactory

Re: Num Lock nor Caps Lock LEDs working in Sid

2007-09-25 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/25/07 17:55, Nate Bargmann wrote: This is one of the joys of using Sid. ;-) I noticed over the weekend when using OOo Calc that pressing Num Lock on my IBM PS/2 keyborad did nothing. Neither the LED lit nor did Calc receive numerals from

Re: Tool for document management

2007-09-25 Thread David Brodbeck
On Sep 24, 2007, at 9:39 PM, Russell L. Harris wrote: I use XEMacs daily to produce LaTeX documents. I have frequent need to search my archives of material I have written in the past, and I use grep for this purpose. It is difficult for me to imagine an advantage offered by OpenOffice which

Re: How to reply in the mailing lists

2007-09-25 Thread Sid Arth
I still use gmail because I can access it everywhere, and if I use it with google reader, I have no need for a something such as thunderbird or any other email client. Those two do everything I need them to do. On 9/25/07, Celejar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:06:38 -0400

Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX

2007-09-25 Thread Miles Bader
Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: using WordPerfect. When I switched to Linux, I was overwhelmed with the thought of learning LaTex. So I tried Lout. I found it great after a while. Think of it as a stripped-down LaTex. ... written by a language lawyer. -Miles -- It wasn't the

Is it possible to keep a program running even when when no users are logged in

2007-09-25 Thread Sid Arth
I want to have rtorrent running in the background once I turn it on via ssh. Is there a way to keep rtorrent running even after I close the session? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Num Lock nor Caps Lock LEDs working in Sid

2007-09-25 Thread Nate Bargmann
* Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007 Sep 25 18:08 -0500]: Yup. NumLock light stays on, CapsLock and ScrollLock stay off. At the console, they toggle as normal. (I use startx to fire up X.) I log in via KDM. Even though the lights don't toggle, CAPS LOCK still works. Hmmm, my LEDs stay

Re: Is it possible to keep a program running even when when no users are logged in

2007-09-25 Thread David Brodbeck
On Sep 25, 2007, at 4:14 PM, Sid Arth wrote: I want to have rtorrent running in the background once I turn it on via ssh. Is there a way to keep rtorrent running even after I close the session? Use screen. It will let you detach from the session, and reattach to it later. It's perfect

Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was: Tool for document management)

2007-09-25 Thread Steve Lamb
Douglas A. Tutty wrote: The output is PostScript so I kept a copy of GhostView (gv) running (watching the file) and whenever I wanted to see how things looked, just ran lout on my file to the same output file name. Yeahhh, no thanks. I don't like coding HTML with the produce and peek

Re: GNOME: Associate multiple queues with one printer: HOW?

2007-09-25 Thread Mike McCarty
Gabriel Parrondo wrote: El mar, 25-09-2007 a las 15:04 -0500, Mike McCarty escribió: That's precisely it. It appears to me that the GNOME printer manager shipped with Debian is either broken or deficient in this area. Why are you saying the version shipped with Debian is broken? Have you

Re: How do I know debian has detected all my hardware?

2007-09-25 Thread Kevin Mark
On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 02:29:45AM -0700, Amit Uttamchandani wrote: Hey guys, I recently installed etch on this old laptop and have no problems with it whatsoever. I had no hardware issues or anything. It seemed like all the hardware was automatically detected. Now the question is, how do

Debian install to Inspiron 530 with SATA DVD drive

2007-09-25 Thread Simon
Hi There, We are trying to install debian etch onto our Inspiron 530 that has a SATA DVD drive, but the installer cannot detect the CD drive once it is booted. How do i move forward here? Thanks Simon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble?

Re: Debian may lose a user

2007-09-25 Thread Mike McCarty
John Hasler wrote: Mike writes: There are those here who have expressed a desire for Linux to be a viable alternative to Windows for more users. It was directed at those people. You told us that some unnamed person had unidentified problems which they reported in some unknown way with

Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was: Tool for document management)

2007-09-25 Thread David Brodbeck
On Sep 25, 2007, at 4:31 PM, Steve Lamb wrote: No, my issue is that I have some formatting I want to be there and I need to be able to express that formatting in a way that will be accepted by the broadest scope of submission requirements. Working in ODT and then either printing it and

Re: OT: Choice of OOo and LaTeX (Was: Tool for document management)

2007-09-25 Thread David Brodbeck
On Sep 25, 2007, at 5:11 PM, David Brodbeck wrote: On Sep 25, 2007, at 4:31 PM, Steve Lamb wrote: No, my issue is that I have some formatting I want to be there and I need to be able to express that formatting in a way that will be accepted by the broadest scope of submission

Re: Is it possible to keep a program running even when when no users are logged in

2007-09-25 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 04:25:22PM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote: On Sep 25, 2007, at 4:14 PM, Sid Arth wrote: I want to have rtorrent running in the background once I turn it on via ssh. Is there a way to keep rtorrent running even after I close the session? Use screen. It will let you

Re: Num Lock nor Caps Lock LEDs working in Sid

2007-09-25 Thread Kent West
Nate Bargmann wrote: This is one of the joys of using Sid. ;-) I noticed over the weekend when using OOo Calc that pressing Num Lock on my IBM PS/2 keyborad did nothing. Neither the LED lit nor did Calc receive numerals from the keypad. I can switch to a VT and the LEDs light correctly and

Re: GNOME: Associate multiple queues with one printer: HOW?

2007-09-25 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 06:43:47PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: Gabriel Parrondo wrote: El mar, 25-09-2007 a las 15:04 -0500, Mike McCarty escribió: That's precisely it. It appears to me that the GNOME printer manager shipped with Debian is either broken or deficient in this area. Why are

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