Re: Musings on debian-user list

2009-07-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-07-29 01:03, Neal Hogan wrote: [snip] In an attempt to continue with the direction that this thread is now on and bring it back to where it started, I politely suggest that you RTFM and offer you this link http://xwinman.org/ Been quite a few years since I've been to that site. Even m

Re: Musings on debian-user list

2009-07-28 Thread AG
Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Tue, Jul 28 2009, AG wrote: Care to elaborate on that, John? This is a serious question - I used to use Xfce back in the days of Slackware 8.1, but that was still a WM (or was that a DE?). Are you referring to those FWM-like systems, or something entirely differe

Re: Musings on debian-user list

2009-07-28 Thread Neal Hogan
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:54 AM, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 2009-07-29 00:20, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> >> On Tue, Jul 28 2009, Ron Johnson wrote: >> >>> On 2009-07-28 13:09, Mark wrote: >>> [snip] When I feel adventurous one weekend I'll try a Debian install without the desktop

Re: Musings on debian-user list

2009-07-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-07-29 00:20, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Tue, Jul 28 2009, Ron Johnson wrote: On 2009-07-28 13:09, Mark wrote: [snip] When I feel adventurous one weekend I'll try a Debian install without the desktop environment. But what will you *do* with it? Mutt will frustrate you to no end, and t

Re: proper place for iptables script

2009-07-28 Thread Siggy Brentrup
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 22:23 -0400, Andrew Reid wrote: > On Tuesday 28 July 2009 22:04:20 Rob Owens wrote: > > In the interest of learning new things, I'm moving from shorewall to plain > > old iptables. I've got my script made, but I'm not sure what the proper > > procedure is for starting it au

Re: How does linux read menu.1st

2009-07-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-07-29 00:11, Timothy Wu wrote: Hi, A system had trouble booting which used to boot fine. It was having trouble mounting root disk and changing hda1 to sda1 in the grub config menu.1st fixed the problem. My question is this, since menu.1st itself resides on hard disk. How does the system

Re: Musings on debian-user list

2009-07-28 Thread Brian Marshall
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:22:05PM +0100, AG wrote: > John Hasler wrote: > >Mark wrote: > >>When I feel adventurous one weekend I'll try a Debian install without the > >>desktop environment. > > > >Ron Johnson writes: > >>But what will you *do* with it? Mutt will frustrate you to no end, and > >>t

Re: Musings on debian-user list

2009-07-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, Jul 28 2009, AG wrote: > Care to elaborate on that, John? This is a serious question - I used > to use Xfce back in the days of Slackware 8.1, but that was still a WM > (or was that a DE?). Are you referring to those FWM-like systems, or > something entirely different? I use fvw

Re: Musings on debian-user list

2009-07-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, Jul 28 2009, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 2009-07-28 13:09, Mark wrote: > [snip] >> When I feel adventurous one weekend I'll try a Debian install without the >> desktop environment. > > But what will you *do* with it? Mutt will frustrate you to no end, > and the intarweb has become too graphic

Re: approx: infinite loop during update, importing

2009-07-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-07-28 23:59, whollyg...@letterboxes.org wrote: [snip] So, running stable, I am stuck with v3.3.0, and thus with no approx-import? Can I download the 3.4 deb-src and compile it for Lenny, Can't hurt to try. If it needs more dependencies, it'll tell you. wit

How does linux read menu.1st

2009-07-28 Thread Timothy Wu
Hi, A system had trouble booting which used to boot fine. It was having trouble mounting root disk and changing hda1 to sda1 in the grub config menu.1st fixed the problem. My question is this, since menu.1st itself resides on hard disk. How does the system manage to read this before hard disk is m

Re: approx: infinite loop during update, importing

2009-07-28 Thread whollygoat
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:09 +, "Sylvain Le Gall" wrote: > On 28-07-2009, whollyg...@letterboxes.org > wrote: > > I've two questions re approx version 3.3.0 on > > lenny i386. The first is, anybody else get > > caught in an infinite loop updating the Packages > > files? I've tried from loca

Re: approx: infinite loop during update, importing

2009-07-28 Thread whollygoat
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:09 +, "Sylvain Le Gall" wrote: > On 28-07-2009, whollyg...@letterboxes.org > wrote: > > I've two questions re approx version 3.3.0 on > > lenny i386. The first is, anybody else get > > caught in an infinite loop updating the Packages > > files? I've tried from loca

Re: approx: infinite loop during update, importing

2009-07-28 Thread whollygoat
On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:03 -0400, "Celejar" wrote: > On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 19:55:06 -0700 > whollyg...@letterboxes.org wrote: > > I've two questions re approx version 3.3.0 on > lenny i386. > > ... > > > Secondly, sites such as the following lead me > > to believe that it is possible to import p

Re: question about email delivery triggered by resent thread on musings

2009-07-28 Thread Siggy Brentrup
Hi Paul, on Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 17:45 -0600, you wrote: > I run a Lenny/gnome desktop. I use mutt to read mail. Emacs is invoked > by mutt to compose mail. I do delivery from my ISP by invoking > fetchmail from a command line in a gnome-terminal window. When > fetchmail terminates, I run Mutt in

Re: Reproducible filesystem corruption in lenny

2009-07-28 Thread Owen Townend
2009/7/29 Josh Kelley : > On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Sven Joachim wrote: [snip] >> There had been cases of USB memory sticks with manipulated controllers >> produced by fraudulent manufacturers.  These sticks reported a higher >> capacity than they really had.  They never reported read or wr

Re: linux-image-2.6.30-1-amd64 + ext4

2009-07-28 Thread Jimmy Johnson
Roger Leigh wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 03:06:35PM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: I thought "linux-image-2.6.30-1-amd64" had ext4 support built into it or what I'm I doing wrong? I can't mount ext4. This kernel is working fine for me with ext4. What errors are you getting? The typical mess

Re: -- SPAM -- Re: Disable "a program is still running" dialog in gnome

2009-07-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-07-28 20:35, Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] Does anything malevolent happen if you click "Shutdown Anyway"? Nothing. But all these days I am used to hitting ctrl+alt+del and From the GUI? Break that habit, I'd say. pressing enter and the system would shutdow

Re: Musings on debian-user list

2009-07-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-07-28 21:15, Nate Bargmann wrote: * Ron Johnson [2009 Jul 28 13:46 -0500]: I'd suggest that you first wean yourself off Nautilus, doing as much file management as possible from the CLI. Then, one by one, find CLI replacements for the management tasks you currently use a GUI for. B

Re: proper place for iptables script

2009-07-28 Thread Andrew Reid
On Tuesday 28 July 2009 22:04:20 Rob Owens wrote: > In the interest of learning new things, I'm moving from shorewall to plain > old iptables. I've got my script made, but I'm not sure what the proper > procedure is for starting it automatically at boot. Is there a "Debian > way" to do this? W

Re: using mplayer instead of flash plugin for Iceweasel

2009-07-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-07-28 21:12, Rob Owens wrote: I've replaced the Iceweasel flash plugin on some of my systems with mplayer by using the Greasemonkey extension with the following script: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/24999 It works nicely, uses less CPU, and sound works on my LTSP thin clients (a b

Re: Musings on debian-user list

2009-07-28 Thread Nate Bargmann
* Ron Johnson [2009 Jul 28 13:46 -0500]: > I'd suggest that you first wean yourself off Nautilus, doing as much > file management as possible from the CLI. Then, one by one, find CLI > replacements for the management tasks you currently use a GUI for. Balderdash!! Yes, knowing cp, mv, ls, a

Re: How to install Java in Lenny?

2009-07-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-07-28 18:57, Edward C. Jones wrote: [snip] Actually, on the strength of some advice I received previously on this issue, I'd recommend that you try sun-java5-bin rather than *6*. Only because *5* seems to be more stable and plays more "nicely" with a wider range of apps that require Ja

using mplayer instead of flash plugin for Iceweasel

2009-07-28 Thread Rob Owens
I've replaced the Iceweasel flash plugin on some of my systems with mplayer by using the Greasemonkey extension with the following script: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/24999 It works nicely, uses less CPU, and sound works on my LTSP thin clients (a big plus). Can anybody suggest how to

proper place for iptables script

2009-07-28 Thread Rob Owens
In the interest of learning new things, I'm moving from shorewall to plain old iptables. I've got my script made, but I'm not sure what the proper procedure is for starting it automatically at boot. Is there a "Debian way" to do this? -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lis

Re: Disable "a program is still running" dialog in gnome

2009-07-28 Thread Raj Kiran Grandhi
Ron Johnson wrote: On 2009-07-28 10:34, Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote: Nowadays, when I try to shutdown my system, I sometimes get this unhelpful dialog: http://imgur.com/tRv5S.png It complains about an unknown program that is not responding and wants to give me the "option" of waiting for it to f

Re: Can't retrieve online quotes with gnucash

2009-07-28 Thread Bernard Fay
Thanks Andrew for you reply. That is exactly the first thing I did and unfortunately no one have a solution so far. Maybe the next thing is to try on development list. Bernard On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Andrew Sackville-West < and...@farwestbilliards.com> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at

Re: linux-image-2.6.30-1-amd64 + ext4

2009-07-28 Thread Jimmy
Roger Leigh wrote: > On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 03:06:35PM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: >> I thought "linux-image-2.6.30-1-amd64" had ext4 support built into it or >> what I'm I doing wrong? I can't mount ext4. > > This kernel is working fine for me with ext4. What errors are you > getting? The typi

Re: How to install Java in Lenny?

2009-07-28 Thread Edward C. Jones
AG wrote: j j wrote: sun-java6-bin http://packages.debian.org/sid/sun-java6-bin On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Edward C. Jones > wrote: I have a PC with an AMD chip using Lenny (stable), amd64 port. When I try to run the weather bureau radar loop:

Re: How to install Java in Lenny?

2009-07-28 Thread Edward C. Jones
AG wrote: j j wrote: sun-java6-bin http://packages.debian.org/sid/sun-java6-bin On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Edward C. Jones > wrote: I have a PC with an AMD chip using Lenny (stable), amd64 port. When I try to run the weather bureau radar loop:

Re: ikiwiki + Apache 1.3 =?=> NFG/SNAFU

2009-07-28 Thread Eric d'Alibut
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 6:12 AM, Jochen Schulz wrote: > Is there any specific reason why you don't upgrade to Apache2? As noted, task-aversion. SOLUTION FOUND: # apt-get install apache2 :-) > Atrocities committed in Rwanda pervade my mind when I am discussing > mundanities with acquaintances.

question about email delivery triggered by resent thread on musings

2009-07-28 Thread Paul E Condon
I run a Lenny/gnome desktop. I use mutt to read mail. Emacs is invoked by mutt to compose mail. I do delivery from my ISP by invoking fetchmail from a command line in a gnome-terminal window. When fetchmail terminates, I run Mutt in the same window. I have noticed that there often seem to be fewer

Re: Musings on debian-user list

2009-07-28 Thread Neal Hogan
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Mark wrote: > Interesting thread.  From a Debian/Linux and Debian email list newbie's > perspective: I spent several months researching Debian (actually tried > openSUSE before Debian), printing/reading manuals, wiki's, doing multiple > installations trying differe

libgvfsdbus.so Problem

2009-07-28 Thread Marcelo Laia
Hi, If I use /usr/lib/gio/modules/libgvfsdbus.so, my nautilus, for example, didn't work and it give me this message: :~$ sudo mv /usr/lib/gio/modules/libgvfsdbus.so.old /usr/lib/gio/modules/libgvfsdbus.so :~$ nautilus nautilus: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/gio/modules/libgvfsdbus.so: undefined s

Re: Back up routines

2009-07-28 Thread owens
> > > > Original Message >From: ron.l.john...@cox.net >To: debian-user@lists.debian.org >Subject: Re: Back up routines >Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:19:43 -0500 > >>On 2009-07-28 10:08, Eric Gerlach wrote: >>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:02:06AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 2009-07-28 09:

Re: Musings on debian-user list

2009-07-28 Thread John Magolske
* Cybe R. Wizard [090728 13:33]: > On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:09:59 -0700 > Mark wrote: > [...] > > When I feel adventurous one weekend I'll try a Debian install without > > the desktop environment. I think this email list is filled with > > people very comfortable using no desktop environment, but

Re: linux-image-2.6.30-1-amd64 + ext4

2009-07-28 Thread j j
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > I thought "linux-image-2.6.30-1-amd64" had ext4 support built into it or > what I'm I doing wrong? I can't mount ext4. kernel.org( http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto#For_people_who_are_running_Debian) says that you need -

Re: Back up routines

2009-07-28 Thread Mark Neyhart
John Magolske wrote: > I've been trying to decide between dirvish & rdiff-backup. I read > something [1] arguing in favor of dirvish, citing it's advantage of > having images that are complete file systems. But dirvish does use > hard links, so the issue of such a backup not being exactly 1:1 gives

udev warning message on Debian 5.0

2009-07-28 Thread Kushal Koolwal
Recently I was having some trouble with my udev, so I purged udev, rebooted system and re-install udev again. After that most of the udev startup error went away but now I get the following warning message during system boot: .udev/ already exists on the static /dev! Any ideas? Please copy me

Re: Chinese in rxvt

2009-07-28 Thread T o n g
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:04:11 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: >> how do you render Chinese in rxvt? > > *I* don't. It just "magically" happens. > > Did I happen to mention that it's not actually rxvt, but urxvt from > package rxvt-unicode? Ah, no wonder. thanks -- Tong (remove underscore(s) to

Re: linux-image-2.6.30-1-amd64 + ext4

2009-07-28 Thread Roger Leigh
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 03:06:35PM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > I thought "linux-image-2.6.30-1-amd64" had ext4 support built into it or > what I'm I doing wrong? I can't mount ext4. This kernel is working fine for me with ext4. What errors are you getting? -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : De

linux-image-2.6.30-1-amd64 + ext4

2009-07-28 Thread Jimmy Johnson
I thought "linux-image-2.6.30-1-amd64" had ext4 support built into it or what I'm I doing wrong? I can't mount ext4. -- Jimmy Johnson Debian Sid at sda8 Registered Linux User #380263 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Con

Re: How to install Java in Lenny?

2009-07-28 Thread AG
j j wrote: sun-java6-bin http://packages.debian.org/sid/sun-java6-bin On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Edward C. Jones > wrote: I have a PC with an AMD chip using Lenny (stable), amd64 port. When I try to run the weather bureau radar loop: http://rad

Re: How to install Java in Lenny?

2009-07-28 Thread j j
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Thierry Chatelet wrote: > On Tuesday 28 July 2009 23:42:27 j j wrote: > > sun-java6-bin > > http://packages.debian.org/sid/sun-java6-bin > > > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Edward C. Jones > > What about sun-java6-plugin? > > yes that one as well. and sun-jav

Re: How to install Java in Lenny?

2009-07-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-07-28 16:13, Edward C. Jones wrote: I have a PC with an AMD chip using Lenny (stable), amd64 port. When I try to run the weather bureau radar loop: http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=lwx&product=N0R&overlay=1110&loop=yes I get an error message: "Java is necessary for radar l

Re: How to install Java in Lenny?

2009-07-28 Thread j j
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:46 PM, jeremy jozwik wrote: > On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 2:42 PM, j j wrote: > > sun-java6-bin > > http://packages.debian.org/sid/sun-java6-bin > > > sid packages work ok with lenny? > sure, with the usual caveats.

Re: How to install Java in Lenny?

2009-07-28 Thread Thierry Chatelet
On Tuesday 28 July 2009 23:42:27 j j wrote: > sun-java6-bin > http://packages.debian.org/sid/sun-java6-bin > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Edward C. Jones What about sun-java6-plugin? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Troubl

Re: How to install Java in Lenny?

2009-07-28 Thread jeremy jozwik
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 2:47 PM, jeremy jozwik wrote: > On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 2:42 PM, j j wrote: >> sun-java6-bin >> http://packages.debian.org/sid/sun-java6-bin > > sid packages work ok with lenny? > wow... that strike 2 "sid packages work ok with lenny?" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debia

Re: How to install Java in Lenny?

2009-07-28 Thread jeremy jozwik
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 2:42 PM, j j wrote: > sun-java6-bin > http://packages.debian.org/sid/sun-java6-bin sid packages work ok with lenny? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: How to install Java in Lenny?

2009-07-28 Thread j j
sun-java6-bin http://packages.debian.org/sid/sun-java6-bin On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Edward C. Jones wrote: > I have a PC with an AMD chip using Lenny (stable), amd64 port. > > When I try to run the weather bureau radar loop: > > > http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=lwx&product=N0R&ove

Re: Musings on debian-user list

2009-07-28 Thread AG
John Hasler wrote: Mark wrote: When I feel adventurous one weekend I'll try a Debian install without the desktop environment. Ron Johnson writes: But what will you *do* with it? Mutt will frustrate you to no end, and the intarweb has become too graphics-oriented to make lynx/elink

How to install Java in Lenny?

2009-07-28 Thread Edward C. Jones
I have a PC with an AMD chip using Lenny (stable), amd64 port. When I try to run the weather bureau radar loop: http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=lwx&product=N0R&overlay=1110&loop=yes I get an error message: "Java is necessary for radar looping and is best optimized using Java version

Re: Musings on debian-user list

2009-07-28 Thread AG
Ron Johnson wrote: On 2009-07-28 16:03, Tim Beauregard wrote: [snip] Altavisting? Yahooing? It really is a jungle out there. Altavista... Haven't thought about that in a good long time. Yep - altavista brings back memories. Remember "web crawler"? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user

Re: Musings on debian-user list

2009-07-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-07-28 16:03, Tim Beauregard wrote: [snip] Altavisting? Yahooing? It really is a jungle out there. Altavista... Haven't thought about that in a good long time. -- Scooty Puff, Sr The Doom-Bringer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "u

Re: Musings on debian-user list

2009-07-28 Thread John Hasler
Mark wrote: > When I feel adventurous one weekend I'll try a Debian install without the > desktop environment. Ron Johnson writes: > But what will you *do* with it? Mutt will frustrate you to no end, and > the intarweb has become too graphics-oriented to make lynx/elinks widely > useful. "No des

Re: Musings on debian-user list

2009-07-28 Thread Tim Beauregard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Allen Meyers wrote: > In my own experience I found such responses upsetting in my initial > Linux challenges until I equated it with "just a sign of the times" I think flaming is usually a result of comments taken out of context or being misread. On

Re: Installing with no swap partition

2009-07-28 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Question 1: In the Debian manual it says a swap partition isn't needed but > recommended for efficiency. Anyone else installed without swap and had > success? Is my installation a ticking time bomb if I don't have a swap > partition? "Recommended for efficiency" clearly means your installation

Re: Sid: Grub2 faling to boot: Unknown device UUID

2009-07-28 Thread Charlie Kroeger
> Ok, another in the continuing saga. When I upgrade Grub2 which is frequently, I get the following error message when I reboot: Booting 'Debian Gnu/Linux, Linux 2.6.30-1-686 error: unknown argument '--no-floppy' failed to boot default entries. press any key to continue. If I press any key I s

Re: Musings on debian-user list

2009-07-28 Thread Chris Jones
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:17:37PM EDT, Mark wrote: > The way I see Debian/Linux and this list is: no one owes me any of their > time, so whoever helps is an added bonus. I'm not entitled to help from > anyone, but very much appreciate it when I get it. All to your credit.. although there are

Set non-English font in Yakuake?

2009-07-28 Thread Michael Yang
Hi, Anyone knows how to set non-English fonts in Yakuake? (I'm using debian/lenny + xfce4). By right-click options -> Setting -> Fonts -> Select.., only monospace fonts are available to choose, I wonder how to set fonts for non-English characters? Thanks very much, Michael.

Re: Musings on debian-user list

2009-07-28 Thread Michael Pobega
On 0, Mark wrote: > Good point, maybe I'm in the minority of Debian users as I'm not a > programmer.  Anywho, I'm just trying to make the Linux desktop environment as > comfortable for my friends as possible, and they've already used my Clearlooks > desktop so I try and keep their setup the same.

Re: Musings on debian-user list

2009-07-28 Thread Cybe R. Wizard
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:09:59 -0700 Mark wrote: [...] > When I feel adventurous one weekend I'll try a Debian install without > the desktop environment. I think this email list is filled with > people very comfortable using no desktop environment, but for those > of us raised on Windoze it takes

Re: Musings on debian-user list

2009-07-28 Thread John Hasler
Mark wrote: > When I feel adventurous one weekend I'll try a Debian install without the > desktop environment. I think this email list is filled with people very > comfortable using no desktop environment, but for those of us raised on > Windoze it takes some time to transition over. Note that "n

Re: rsync problem [thanks to all]

2009-07-28 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Ron Johnson wrote: Two points: 1. Always do it the "right way", even though you *assume* you know the wrong way "should" work, and 2. parsers treat extraneous spaces in all sorts of nasty and unexpected ways. I'm finding that out. I guarantee the lesson will be reta

Re: Back up routines

2009-07-28 Thread John Magolske
* Jon Dowland [090728 06:42]: > From my experience, I would discount anything which relies > on hard link trees. That means a lot of rsync-based > solutions, including rsnapshot. Apart from not being a 1:1 > backup (you lose hard links!), the filesystem metadata > storage explodes for any reasonab

Re: Musings on debian-user list

2009-07-28 Thread Damon Chesser
On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 11:09 -0700, Mark wrote: > Good point, maybe I'm in the minority of Debian users as I'm not a > programmer. Anywho, I'm just trying to make the Linux desktop > environment as comfortable for my friends as possible, and they've > already used my Clearlooks desktop so I try and

Etch -> Lenny upgrade broke encrypted filesystem

2009-07-28 Thread lineman
Hi - I have a cryptsetup encrypted filesystem on Etch. I set it up at install time. When I updated to 5.0.2, it no longer boots. The kernel says "Waiting for root file system", then "cryptsetup: source device /dev/sda5 not found" The system still boots when I select the old kernel in GRUB.

Re: Musings on debian-user list

2009-07-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-07-28 13:09, Mark wrote: [snip] When I feel adventurous one weekend I'll try a Debian install without the desktop environment. But what will you *do* with it? Mutt will frustrate you to no end, and the intarweb has become too graphics-oriented to make lynx/elinks widely useful. I h

Etch -> Lenny upgrade broke encrypted filesystem

2009-07-28 Thread lineman
Hi - I have a cryptsetup encrypted filesystem on Etch. I set it up at install time. When I updated to 5.0.2, it no longer boots. The kernel says "Waiting for root file system", then "cryptsetup: source device /dev/sda5 not found" The system still boots when I select the old kernel in GRUB.

Re: Musings on debian-user list

2009-07-28 Thread Mark
Good point, maybe I'm in the minority of Debian users as I'm not a programmer. Anywho, I'm just trying to make the Linux desktop environment as comfortable for my friends as possible, and they've already used my Clearlooks desktop so I try and keep their setup the same. When I feel adventurous on

Re: Musings on debian-user list

2009-07-28 Thread Michael Pobega
On 0, Mark wrote: > If it's any consolation, I'm a newbie and I actually chose Debian as my first > real Linux install even though I heard it was tougher for newbies to learn.� > To me it represented one of the purest distros of Linux and I don't mind > putting in the time/research.� A few days a

Re: Musings on debian-user list

2009-07-28 Thread Mark
If it's any consolation, I'm a newbie and I actually chose Debian as my first real Linux install even though I heard it was tougher for newbies to learn. To me it represented one of the purest distros of Linux and I don't mind putting in the time/research. A few days ago I installed Ubuntu on the

Re: Musings on debian-user list

2009-07-28 Thread Javier Barroso
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Michael Pobega wrote: > On  0, Javier Barroso wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Tim Beauregard >> wrote: >> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> > Hash: SHA1 >> > >> > I recently re-subscribed having been off for about four years.  The >> > changes I h

Re: Amarok - unmet dependencies

2009-07-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-07-28 11:39, AG wrote: [snip] Phew! Thanks Ron. I thought that I'd bust my new toy already!! :) Is this pretty much what one can expect using sid/ unstable then - packages being in transition for a few days until an upstream maintainer sorts things out? If so, then the earlier thread

Re: Amarok - unmet dependencies

2009-07-28 Thread AG
Ron Johnson wrote: On 2009-07-28 10:59, AG wrote: Did I speak too soon about maintaining sid I wonder? Famous last words and all that? Anyway, I seem to have lost Amarok from my sid machine. When I went to install it, the response was: Some packages could not be installed. This may mean th

Re: Musings on debian-user list

2009-07-28 Thread Michael Pobega
On 0, Javier Barroso wrote: > On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Tim Beauregard wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > I recently re-subscribed having been off for about four years.  The > > changes I have noticed are: > > > > 1. Much less traffic.  I previously got 25

Re: Musings on debian-user list

2009-07-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-07-28 11:17, Mark wrote: Interesting thread. From a Debian/Linux and Debian email list newbie's perspective: I spent several months researching Debian (actually tried openSUSE before Debian), printing/reading manuals, wiki's, doing multiple installations trying different options and conf

Re: Amarok - unmet dependencies

2009-07-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-07-28 10:59, AG wrote: Did I speak too soon about maintaining sid I wonder? Famous last words and all that? Anyway, I seem to have lost Amarok from my sid machine. When I went to install it, the response was: Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requeste

Re: Back up routines

2009-07-28 Thread Scott Gifford
Ron Johnson writes: > On 2009-07-28 09:18, Eric Gerlach wrote: > [snip] >> Sure. Let's go with 1TB for $90. Now I have to make sure the >> client brings >> the drive in, backs up, and takes it home every day. Try explaining to them >> why that isn't worth the $3/mo that that Amazon charges the

Re: Musings on debian-user list

2009-07-28 Thread Mark
Interesting thread. From a Debian/Linux and Debian email list newbie's perspective: I spent several months researching Debian (actually tried openSUSE before Debian), printing/reading manuals, wiki's, doing multiple installations trying different options and configurations, *before *ever signing u

Re: Back up routines

2009-07-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-07-28 11:07, Eric Gerlach wrote: [snip] (client doesn't even have to *think* about it) That's the part that really pisses me off: willful ignorance. -- Scooty Puff, Sr The Doom-Bringer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe".

Re: Can't retrieve online quotes with gnucash

2009-07-28 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 05:14:01PM -0400, Bernard Fay wrote: > Hi, > > Using GNUcash version 2.2.6 with Debian 5.0, I have the following message > when I try to get online quotes for US stock exchanges: > > Unable to retrieve quotes for these items: > NYSE:C > NYSE:BAC > NYSE:F > NYSE:AIG

Amarok - unmet dependencies

2009-07-28 Thread AG
Did I speak too soon about maintaining sid I wonder? Famous last words and all that? Anyway, I seem to have lost Amarok from my sid machine. When I went to install it, the response was: Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if

Re: Back up routines

2009-07-28 Thread David Baron
I am toying with livedrive which is an ecomomical storage site. It caters to the windows crowd but, partly at my nagging, set up ftp access. I now nag them for rsync :-) The problem with ALL of these is upload speeds. The large backup needs the rockest solidest connection to simply get done. Cu

Re: Back up routines

2009-07-28 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jon Dowland wrote: > any reasonable frequency of backup. I currently use > rdiff-snapshot. I personally think there is still a lot of > space for new solutions (yet to see a good git-based one) s/rdiff-snapshot/rdiff-backup Johannes -BEGI

Re: Back up routines

2009-07-28 Thread Eric Gerlach
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:17:04AM -0400, Jeff Soules wrote: > On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Eric > > 1. Every day, bring this drive in, plug it in, run this program, then take > > it > > home at night; or > > > > 2. Pay Amazon $3/mo and don't worry about it; > > > > and I bet over 80% of them

Re: Chinese in rxvt

2009-07-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-07-28 10:41, T o n g wrote: On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:09:11 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 2009-07-27 15:46, T o n g wrote: On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:32:33 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Chinese fonts render perfectly for me in Iceweasel, Icedove and even rxvt. hmm..., how did you do -- renderin

Re: Whats the best way to upgrade tools from source?

2009-07-28 Thread Brian
On Tue 28 Jul 2009 at 11:57:18 +0200, ml ml wrote: > i need file version 5.x on my system. But Debian etch comes with file > version 4.17. > How do i install 5.x (from source) without messing up my system? Backport it from unstable: http://people.connexer.com/~roberto/howtos/debcustomize An ext

Re: -- SPAM -- Disable "a program is still running" dialog in gnome

2009-07-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-07-28 10:34, Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote: Nowadays, when I try to shutdown my system, I sometimes get this unhelpful dialog: http://imgur.com/tRv5S.png It complains about an unknown program that is not responding and wants to give me the "option" of waiting for it to finish. Is there any

Re: Reproducible filesystem corruption in lenny

2009-07-28 Thread Josh Kelley
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2009-07-28 15:42 +0200, Josh Kelley wrote: >> Turning off has_journal or adding -o data=journal fixes the >> immediately preceding problem.  (I haven't tested it for our cloning >> procedure.)  However, I don't want to go back to ext2, and

Re: Chinese in rxvt

2009-07-28 Thread T o n g
On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:09:11 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 2009-07-27 15:46, T o n g wrote: >> On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:32:33 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: >> >>> Chinese fonts render perfectly for me in Iceweasel, Icedove and even >>> rxvt. >> >> hmm..., how did you do -- rendering Chinese in rxvt?

Emacs voice memo

2009-07-28 Thread T o n g
Hi, I remember coming across an Emacs mode that handle voice memos. But I forgot where I saw it? Do you know anything that is close to such feature, handling voice memos via Emacs? Thanks -- Tong (remove underscore(s) to reply) http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/ http://xpt.sourceforge.n

Disable "a program is still running" dialog in gnome

2009-07-28 Thread Raj Kiran Grandhi
Nowadays, when I try to shutdown my system, I sometimes get this unhelpful dialog: http://imgur.com/tRv5S.png It complains about an unknown program that is not responding and wants to give me the "option" of waiting for it to finish. Is there any way to disable this dialog permanently? More t

Re: Back up routines

2009-07-28 Thread Siggy Brentrup
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:08 -0400, Eric Gerlach wrote: > Sure, your grandfather did it, but give any small-business owner > these two choices: > 1. Every day, bring this drive in, plug it in, run this program, > then take it home at night; or > 2. Pay Amazon $3/mo and don't worry about it;

Re: Musings on debian-user list

2009-07-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-07-28 06:34, Neal Hogan wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 6:25 AM, Nate Bargmann wrote: * Neal Hogan [2009 Jul 28 06:01 -0500]: I appreciate the OP's sentiment that the lack of flaming is good . . . but, a good (hearted) laugh at another's expense is . . . fun . . . and seems to be disco

Re: Musings on debian-user list

2009-07-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-07-28 09:25, ghe wrote: On 7/28/09 5:30 AM, Neal Hogan wrote: Should I be nice, in the sense that I make sure to be polite Yes. when I suggest that someone read the docs (that have been painstakingly (sp?) put together)? There are some, myself included, who haven't yet come across

Re: Back up routines

2009-07-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On 2009-07-28 10:08, Eric Gerlach wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:02:06AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 2009-07-28 09:18, Eric Gerlach wrote: [snip] Sure. Let's go with 1TB for $90. Now I have to make sure the client brings the drive in, backs up, and takes it home every day. Try explaining

Re: Back up routines

2009-07-28 Thread Jeff Soules
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Eric Gerlach wrote: > On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:02:06AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: >> >> My granfather and his accountant were alternately bringing home 13" >> disk packs 30 years ago.  They've obviously got newer hardware now >> (tape drives), and he's passed on,

Re: choice of a Network mapping tool

2009-07-28 Thread Gilles Guiot
Gilles Mocellin a écrit : On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:06:52AM +0200, Gilles Guiot wrote: Hello, I am currently looking for a good network mapping software. I do not need an overly complex and exhaustive mapping tool. I've experimented with a few on the windows side, but to no avail. Would an

Re: Back up routines

2009-07-28 Thread Eric Gerlach
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:02:06AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 2009-07-28 09:18, Eric Gerlach wrote: > [snip] > > > >Sure. Let's go with 1TB for $90. Now I have to make sure the client brings > >the drive in, backs up, and takes it home every day. Try explaining to them > >why that isn't wort

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