Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-10 Thread Neal Murphy
On Friday, July 11, 2014 01:51:11 AM Balint Szigeti wrote: > exactly. why does Linux want to be a Windows DE? (multi-graph-sessions)? > because someone calls 'it is a modern system'? > usually, if one system is used by several people, that is a server and > the servers (if its admin learnt a little

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-10 Thread Balint Szigeti
On Mon, 2014-07-07 at 15:48 +0200, B wrote: > On Mon, 07 Jul 2014 09:01:43 -0400 > Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > > What's wrong with that? I also have to use Windows, even when I'm > > working on Linux device drivers (and have been for 20+ years). > > > > Sometimes you don't have a choice in th

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-10 Thread Bob Proulx
Steve Litt wrote: > I don't understand the question because I don't know what a session is, > so there's the Perl code. I have these things in Ruby and Lua too, and > I think also in C. Looks okay to me. But I do have a comment or two. > #!/usr/bin/perl -w > use strict; > > use POSIX qw(setsid)

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-10 Thread Balint Szigeti
On Sun, 2014-07-06 at 16:34 +0100, Brian wrote: > On Sun 06 Jul 2014 at 14:54:06 +0100, Martin Read wrote: > > > On 06/07/14 00:10, The Wanderer wrote: > > > Can you run systemd without logind or journald? > > > > I can't quickly find an answer, so I'll leave answering that one to > > someone el

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-10 Thread Bob Proulx
Steve Litt wrote: > Cool! I just got the same results on my system, *unless* I closed the > terminal with the window manager's close window command (Alt+F4 on I think there might be some confusion between SIGHUP and SIGTERM. The nohup command will ignore SIGHUP but not SIGTERM. I think (not sure

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-10 Thread Balint Szigeti
On Tue, 2014-07-08 at 13:12 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > Le 08.07.2014 00:46, Andrei POPESCU a écrit : > > On Lu, 07 iul 14, 23:41:59, Miroslav Hrabal wrote: > >> > >> Regarding reboot and shutdown, it's possible to handle this giving > >> regular users sudo permission to use /

Re: odd behavior of eth0 on a laptop

2014-07-10 Thread Bzzzz
On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 01:50:39 +0200 B wrote: I'm responding myself: it is not possible to have the same IP address for both wired ethernet & wifi. So I put both in dhcp mode and changed my dns & dhcp servers setup to manage DDNS - that's it (well, not so fast, 'cos there are a lot of bad/obso

Re: PuTTY SSH client security

2014-07-10 Thread Stephen Powell
On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 05:24:50 -0400 (EDT), Darac Marjal wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 03:19:07AM -0600, Kitty Cat wrote: >>I use PuTTY to connect to my Debian boxes. >> >>I was concerned about whether PuTTY is susceptible to the Heartbleed bug, >>etc. as I noticed that the program

Re: UEFI

2014-07-10 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 18:44:44 -0600 Bob Proulx wrote: > Steve Litt wrote: > > Thierry de Coulon wrote: > > > I would not call a 256 BG SSd "small" - the biggest I own is 60GB, > > > and all the system runs on it (on a laptop). > > > > You're not going to save much money going below 256GB. I think

Re: bonding

2014-07-10 Thread Bob Proulx
Pol Hallen wrote: > using two switches without 802.3ad support I can configure bonding mode 4? > ie: > server linux with 2nics: put nic1 cable on switch1, nic2 cable on switch2 > and put another cable from switch1 to pc1 and another cable from switch2 to > pc1? Obviously with bonding active on both

Re: UEFI

2014-07-10 Thread Bob Proulx
Steve Litt wrote: > Thierry de Coulon wrote: > > I would not call a 256 BG SSd "small" - the biggest I own is 60GB, > > and all the system runs on it (on a laptop). > > You're not going to save much money going below 256GB. I think below > 128GB, the law of diminishing returns makes it useless to g

odd behavior of eth0 on a laptop

2014-07-10 Thread Bzzzz
Debian sid Xfce Network-manager === Hi list, if I boot without a network cable or if I switch to wifi and back to ethernet, I can't get eth0 working. May be this is due to the ethernet card driver (alx), which says it is: from the staging directory, state is unknown, you have been wa

Re: Using xfce4-power-manager with dwm

2014-07-10 Thread Daniel LaFlamme
Made the tweaks that you suggested to .xsession--thanks. I tried removing xfce4-power-manager from .xsession and running it from an xterm one the desktop was running but I get the same thing. So, I think there must be something that the running the full xfce4 session sets up in order to make t

pkexec hangup on wheezy armhf

2014-07-10 Thread 柳永峰
When i run pkexec find / I typed the correct password, the output is / Hangup I googled a bit but not find an answer. What's the possible reason for this problem?

Re: Samsung C410 KVM USB pass-through [not quite resolved]

2014-07-10 Thread Floris
isn't it possible to run the cups server in Linux and install a network printer in the VM? floris That's what I I initially tried doing but the driver doesn't seem to work properly - I get a message "the current printer port is not supported for the printer status" and I get something p

a SYMLINK for a sound device.

2014-07-10 Thread peter
Hi again, According to https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/udev#Writing_udev_rules and http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Changing_card_IDs_with_udev I've added these lines to /etc/udev/rules.d/10-local.rules . root@dalton:/home/peter# tail --lines=6 /etc/udev/rules.d/10* SUBSYSTEM!="

Re: UEFI

2014-07-10 Thread Bzzzz
On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 13:35:37 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: Slitt is right, all non-pro IT prices have a curve like that: / / / / / so you have to see where the knee of this curve is and buy just in it.

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-10 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 10:49:54 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > > Le 09.07.2014 23:11, Mark Carroll a écrit : > > berenger.mo...@neutralite.org writes: > > > >> Le 09.07.2014 15:40, Mark Carroll a écrit : > >>> Martin Read writes: > >>> > On 09/07/14 05:07, Steve Litt wrote: >

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-10 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 10:29:02 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > > Le 09.07.2014 23:06, Steve Litt a écrit : > > Anyone who regularly uses nohup for this kind of thing should try > > the following: > > > > find / -type f -name nohup.out -exec ls -l {} + > > Well... this, or simply ap

Re: UEFI

2014-07-10 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 09:29:51 +0200 Thierry de Coulon wrote: > On Thursday 10 July 2014 00.44:20 Steve Litt wrote: > > > And, for eighty bucks more you can get a small (256GB) SSD mounted > > as /, put nothing on it but /usr and /opt and possibly /boot > > I would not call a 256 BG SSd "small" -

Re: Samsung C410 KVM USB pass-through [not quite resolved]

2014-07-10 Thread Gary Dale
On 10/07/14 04:46 AM, Floris wrote: Samsung offers Linux drivers on their site. [0] [1] I think it is possible to set up a cups/ samba share (or is it an other printer?) success, floris [0] http://www.samsung.com/nl/support/model/SL-C410W/SEE-downloads Dutch site. Click on "Stuurprogramma" an

Re: SSD optimization on Debian (2014)

2014-07-10 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 10 Jul 2014, Jochen Spieker wrote: > Henrique de Moraes Holschuh: > > On Wed, 09 Jul 2014, Jochen Spieker wrote: > >>> * The "discard" options is not needed if your SSD has enough > >>> overprovisioning (spare space) or you leave (unpartitioned) free > >>> space on the SSD. > >>>

Re: how to obtain pkg not available for my version (jessie)

2014-07-10 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20140710_0240-0400, Harry Putnam wrote: > The Wanderer writes: > > > On 07/08/2014 09:45 AM, Harry Putnam wrote: > > > >> How does one obtain pkgs (encfs in this case) that are not available > >> to an `aptitude' search of pkgs for jessie? > >> > >> It appears that the pkg in question (encfs)

Re: SSD optimization on Debian (2014)

2014-07-10 Thread Jochen Spieker
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh: > On Wed, 09 Jul 2014, Jochen Spieker wrote: >>> * The "discard" options is not needed if your SSD has enough >>> overprovisioning (spare space) or you leave (unpartitioned) free >>> space on the SSD. >>> See http://www.spinics.net/lists/raid/msg40866.html

Re: SSD optimization on Debian (2014)

2014-07-10 Thread Jochen Spieker
Bob Proulx: > Jochen Spieker wrote: > >> If you use TRIM (either using the discard mount option or using fstrim >> regularly), your usable spare area is manufacturer spare area plus free >> space on your filesystem. If you don't use TRIM (and don't keep >> unpartitioned space), your spare area is

Re: systemd surprises

2014-07-10 Thread Darac Marjal
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 01:43:23AM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: > Hi, > > When I logged out of fvwm, and hence X, tty3 (the tty where X was > running) displayed this at the top of the screen: > > enabled, not active [unchanged] I happen to recognise that as a message from laptop-mode-tools. It'

systemd surprises

2014-07-10 Thread Chris Bannister
Hi, When I logged out of fvwm, and hence X, tty3 (the tty where X was running) displayed this at the top of the screen: enabled, not active [unchanged] Is this normal or a bug? How do I regain the use of this tty as a text console? If the answer is "Oh, easy, just reboot", you'll have to convi

Re: UEFI

2014-07-10 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Slavko wrote: > Dňa Thu, 10 Jul 2014 01:49:12 +0800 Bret Busby > napísal: >> On 09/07/2014, B wrote: >> >>> BTW, sorry to hijack a bit this thread, but what could >>> be the advantages to use UEFI (I just have Debian on my >>> laptop and disabled it from ancie

Re: Sid - grubpc-bin isc-dhcp-client bugs

2014-07-10 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2014-07-09 19:43 +0200, Tom H wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Sven Joachim wrote: >>> On 2014-07-09 08:59 +0200, Tom H wrote: This one was against 2.02~beta2-7 in experimental. >>> >>> In unstable, not in experimental. >> >>

Re: Video files conversions - was - Re: watching films full screen

2014-07-10 Thread Brian
On Wed 09 Jul 2014 at 13:46:02 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > On 09/07/2014, B wrote: > > > > > > > About MTS trouble, vlc doesn't claim to support it: > > http://www.videolan.org/vlc/features.php?cat=video > > a common troubleshooter is to convert it to AVI (or MOV, > > or whatever container

Re: Using xfce4-power-manager with dwm

2014-07-10 Thread Brian
On Wed 09 Jul 2014 at 18:41:56 -0700, Daniel LaFlamme wrote: > The laptop can suspend and resume without issue when I run a plain > vanilla Xfce session (started with "Xfce session" from the lightdm > login screen). However, I don't want to run an entire Xfce desktop > environment; I want to use d

Re: PuTTY SSH client security

2014-07-10 Thread Darac Marjal
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 03:19:07AM -0600, Kitty Cat wrote: >I use PuTTY to connect to my Debian boxes. > >I was concerned about whether PuTTY is susceptible to the Heartbleed bug, >etc. as I noticed that the program has not had any updates in quite some >time. > >[1]http://www

PuTTY SSH client security

2014-07-10 Thread Kitty Cat
I use PuTTY to connect to my Debian boxes. I was concerned about whether PuTTY is susceptible to the Heartbleed bug, etc. as I noticed that the program has not had any updates in quite some time. http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ Is this software still considered to be secure?

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-10 Thread berenger . morel
Le 09.07.2014 23:11, Mark Carroll a écrit : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org writes: Le 09.07.2014 15:40, Mark Carroll a écrit : Martin Read writes: On 09/07/14 05:07, Steve Litt wrote: [regarding double fork] In other words, it's going to bust my program, right? Maybe. Do the programs yo

Re: how to obtain pkg not available for my version (jessie)

2014-07-10 Thread Kushal Kumaran
Harry Putnam writes: > The Wanderer writes: > >> On 07/08/2014 09:45 AM, Harry Putnam wrote: >> >>> How does one obtain pkgs (encfs in this case) that are not available >>> to an `aptitude' search of pkgs for jessie? >>> >>> It appears that the pkg in question (encfs) is available for wheezy. >>

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-10 Thread berenger . morel
Le 09.07.2014 23:06, Steve Litt a écrit : Anyone who regularly uses nohup for this kind of thing should try the following: find / -type f -name nohup.out -exec ls -l {} + Well... this, or simply append a "> /dev/null" in the end of the command :) It's what I do, usually, so I do have no no

Re: Samsung C410 KVM USB pass-through [not quite resolved]

2014-07-10 Thread Floris
Samsung offers Linux drivers on their site. [0] [1] I think it is possible to set up a cups/ samba share (or is it an other printer?) success, floris [0] http://www.samsung.com/nl/support/model/SL-C410W/SEE-downloads Dutch site. Click on "Stuurprogramma" and Linux [1] http://www.samsung.com/u

What debian ISO's people download most

2014-07-10 Thread Kitty Cat
At the end of last April, I decided to operate a Debian torrent seedbox server. This is a picture of my RuTorrent screen ranking the downloads by upload ratio since then. https://debian.srv.sn/seedbox.png I am currently operating two servers, both of which are located in Europe because these ser

Re: UEFI

2014-07-10 Thread Thierry de Coulon
On Thursday 10 July 2014 00.44:20 Steve Litt wrote: > And, for eighty bucks more you can get a small (256GB) SSD mounted > as /, put nothing on it but /usr and /opt and possibly /boot I would not call a 256 BG SSd "small" - the biggest I own is 60GB, and all the system runs on it (on a laptop).

Re: Help on using Debian

2014-07-10 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 02:06:55AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > On 09/07/2014, Chris Bannister wrote: > > > > Your question needs to go to the list address. Replies only go to the list. [..] > gmail defaults to the poster of the message, and can not be configured > otherwise, and the email applicat