2014/10/16 15:34 "Jonathan Dowland" :
>
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 01:12:51AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > OK, I'll be the first to admit that after Red Hat caused the demise of
> > ConsoleKit (and probably lots more important software), I am free to
> > take significant time out of my day job (that
On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 14:01:44 -0700
Bob Holtzman wrote:
> What I read of your post wasn't dissent. It was character
> assassination.
Please let me know how to point out that an idiotic behaviour is disruptive
to the whole process, without actually telling the person in question, that
he's an idi
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 04:33:06AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> So, was it correct that " Bret's information is out of date.", as you posted?
The guy is subscribed now, mistakes happen, how about everyone just moves on?
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On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 08:10:47 +0200
Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> Steve Litt writes:
> > OK, I'll be the first to admit that after Red Hat caused the demise
> > of ConsoleKit (and probably lots more important software), I am
> > free to take significant time out of my day job (that feeds my
> > famil
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 01:12:51AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> OK, I'll be the first to admit that after Red Hat caused the demise of
> ConsoleKit (and probably lots more important software), I am free to
> take significant time out of my day job (that feeds my family) and
> rescue all sorts of soft
On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 00:54:02 +0100
Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
wrote:
> wande...@fastmail.fm:
> > I have a similar lack of awareness and/or understanding about all
> > of
> > the *kit packages / projects / tools / what-have-you, actually; I'm
> > not positive I even know how many there are, much
On Wed, 15 Oct 2014, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > Just got latest upgrade of Chrome Stable (38.0.2125.104-1) for my
> > Wheezy 64-bit (Openbox WM only) directly from Google repo.
> > Pepperflash player (15.0.0.189) now working.
> >
> > And it only took a month and a half. ;-
Steve Litt writes:
> OK, I'll be the first to admit that after Red Hat caused the demise of
> ConsoleKit (and probably lots more important software), I am free to
> take significant time out of my day job (that feeds my family) and
> rescue all sorts of software that Red Hat deliberately scuttled.
On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 06:06:00 +0900
Joel Rees wrote:
> 2014/10/16 5:46 "Ric Moore" :
> >
> > On 10/15/2014 12:39 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> >
> >> We've actually been in this place before. Wonderful Linux company
> >> Caldera became SCO (oversimplification, but you know what I mean).
> >> Wonderful L
On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 19:27:20 +0100
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:42:58PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > > They were using ConsoleKit, which was orphaned upstream some time
> > > after systemd-logind came along.
> >
> > I rest my case.
>
> There's nothing at all (not even Re
Any suggestions about
failed to start remount root and kernel file system
Is it due to updating issue? some package like systemd, or util-linux?
Jessie box.
Thanks,
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On 10/15/2014 07:54 PM, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote:
* http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/hostnamed/
* http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/timedated/
* http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/localed/
* http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/logind/
These RPC
On 10/13/2014 05:16 PM, David L. Craig wrote:
> On 14Oct14:0837+1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
>
>> On 14/10/2014 8:32 AM, John Hasler wrote:
>
>>> Andrei POPESCU writes:
>
Without an accurate count I'd say only about 1% (or less) of the
subscribers are actually participating in these d
On 10/15/2014 at 05:29 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Mi, 15 oct 14, 18:22:28, Slavko wrote:
>
>> Dňa Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:31:02 +0300 Andrei POPESCU
>> napísal:
>>
>>> Using Debian package dependencies this is expressed as Depends:
>>> libpam-systemd by those packages that actually require tho
Brian wrote:
On Wed 15 Oct 2014 at 15:34:40 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
So where in base system is systemd installed?
This is the list of packages in base (from the source for the jessie
version of debian-installer/build/pkg-lists/base as of yesterday):
[A little snipping]
I'd suggest that
Brian wrote:
On Wed 15 Oct 2014 at 15:34:40 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
So where in base system is systemd installed?
This is the list of packages in base (from the source for the jessie
version of debian-installer/build/pkg-lists/base as of yesterday):
[A little snipping]
I'd suggest that
Chris Bannister wrote:
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 11:34:05AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Thanks to those who've provided scripts and pointers to apt- capabilities.
But... both out of curiosity and practicality - to the Debian developers
out there - are there any tools on the SCM or build servers
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 08:53:36AM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
> 2014/10/16 8:14 "Chris Bannister" :
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:30:26PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > >
> > > I completely understand not reinventing the wheel, but if all you need
> > > is a spoke, you don't construct an interface
On 10/15/2014 4:44 PM, Joe wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:15:24 -0400
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
>
>>
>> It is either OK to delete an email or it is not. You can't have it
>> both ways.
>
> It is *not* OK to silently delete an already accepted email, it does
> indeed break SMTP as a reliable
systemd's problems would best be discussed at the systemd project. (Modulo
the willingness of the devs over there to discuss them.)
What I'm thinking is to talk about specific features to enable the sort of
"managing services" that systemd seems to be aimed at, and how to implement
them, where exi
On Thu, 16 Oct 2014, lee wrote:
> Thank you. And why did they want this?
If the CTTE had chosen a solution which was unacceptable to the majority
of the project, we wanted that majority to be able to override us even
if it wasn't a 2:1 majority.
You can see this discussion in the bug too, and in
On 16/10/14 00:14, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
>
>
> Le 15.10.2014 12:37, Scott Ferguson a écrit :
>> On 15/10/14 22:08, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 15.10.2014 12:09, Brian a écrit :
On Wed 15 Oct 2014 at 10:41:12 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org
wro
Andrei POPESCU writes:
> On Du, 12 oct 14, 18:47:09, lee wrote:
>> Andrei POPESCU writes:
>>
>> > On Mi, 08 oct 14, 16:01:37, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
>> >>
>> >> The tech-ctte exploration was extremely thorough, entirely transparent
>> >> and I
>> >
>> > In addition, the tech-ctte took specia
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 11:34:05AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Thanks to those who've provided scripts and pointers to apt- capabilities.
> But... both out of curiosity and practicality - to the Debian developers
> out there - are there any tools on the SCM or build servers that run
> dependenc
wande...@fastmail.fm:
I have a similar lack of awareness and/or understanding about all of
> the *kit packages / projects / tools / what-have-you, actually; I'm
> not positive I even know how many there are, much less all of their
> names.
This should help:
Put yourself in the position of som
On 10/15/2014 04:19 PM, Ric Moore wrote:
On 10/15/2014 07:08 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Le 15.10.2014 12:09, Brian a écrit :
On Wed 15 Oct 2014 at 10:41:12 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org
wrote:
Le 15.10.2014 09:11, Jonathan Dowland a écrit :
>On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12
2014/10/16 8:14 "Chris Bannister" :
>
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:30:26PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> >
> > I completely understand not reinventing the wheel, but if all you need
> > is a spoke, you don't construct an interface to a whole wheel just to
> > get your spoke.
>
> A wise old owl lived i
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:30:26PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> I completely understand not reinventing the wheel, but if all you need
> is a spoke, you don't construct an interface to a whole wheel just to
> get your spoke.
A wise old owl lived in an oak
The more he saw the less he spoke
The les
On Wed 15 Oct 2014 at 15:34:40 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> So where in base system is systemd installed?
>
> This is the list of packages in base (from the source for the jessie
> version of debian-installer/build/pkg-lists/base as of yesterday):
[A little snipping]
I'd suggest that the prin
2014/10/16 5:59 "Andrei POPESCU" :
>
> On Mi, 15 oct 14, 09:46:47, The Wanderer wrote:
> >
> > I suspect that the answer is "they just didn't provide the functionality
> > which ConsoleKit, and later systemd-logind, now enable them to provide",
> > but I'm not aware - in a clear-understanding, defi
On Mi, 15 oct 14, 12:29:23, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>
> 3. Is there a way to list all packages with priority "standard" -
> preferably via the package repo or one of the staging servers rather
> than having to first setup up a jessie installation and pulling in the
> source list?
You don't need
Ric Moore wrote:
On 10/15/2014 12:34 AM, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
That's a problem in itself. There should be room for real discussion as
is taking place here on the debian-user list, without fear of having
posts filtered.
I agree, but they (the moderators) have a vested interest when someone
On 10/15/2014 05:06 PM, Joel Rees wrote:
2014/10/16 5:46 "Ric Moore" mailto:wayward4...@gmail.com>>:
>
> On 10/15/2014 12:39 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
>
>> We've actually been in this place before. Wonderful Linux company
>> Caldera became SCO (oversimplification, but you know what I mean).
>>
On Wednesday 15 October 2014 22:44:18 Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Mi, 15 oct 14, 21:37:57, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> > As far as I'm aware Debian has *never* been sold anywhere, nor are
> > there plans to - did I miss another meeting down the docks?
>
> http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/
>
> No, that's
On Mi, 15 oct 14, 21:37:57, Scott Ferguson wrote:
> As far as I'm aware Debian has *never* been sold anywhere, nor are
> there plans to - did I miss another meeting down the docks?
http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/
No, that's not meant as a joke. As far as I understand, this is about
the only w
On 10/15/2014 12:34 AM, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
That's a problem in itself. There should be room for real discussion as
is taking place here on the debian-user list, without fear of having
posts filtered.
I agree, but they (the moderators) have a vested interest when someone
posts something
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:42:58PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 09:08:26 +0100
> Martin Read wrote:
>
> > On 14/10/14 22:56, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> > > And how were they handling this task before systemd?
> >
> > They were using ConsoleKit, which was orphaned upstream some time
On Mi, 15 oct 14, 18:22:28, Slavko wrote:
> Dňa Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:31:02 +0300 Andrei POPESCU
> napísal:
>
> > Using Debian package dependencies this is expressed as
> > Depends: libpam-systemd by those packages that actually require those
> > interfaces
> >
> > $ aptitude search '?depends(lib
On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 21:44:30 +0100
Joe wrote:
Hello Joe,
>It is *not* OK to silently delete an already accepted email, it does
Unfortunately, it happens; Send an email with a large attachment(1) and
there are quite a few servers that will silently drop it. The worst of
it is you can never kno
2014/10/16 5:46 "Ric Moore" :
>
> On 10/15/2014 12:39 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
>
>> We've actually been in this place before. Wonderful Linux company
>> Caldera became SCO (oversimplification, but you know what I mean).
>> Wonderful Linux company Corel changed their CEO, and promptly accepted
>> money
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 09:43:00AM +0200, Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 04:07:25 +1100
> Scott Ferguson wrote:
>
> > Given that your only contribution to the list is outright and offensive
> > hypocrisy why should you not be rightfully dismissed as an abusive and
> > offensive
On Mi, 15 oct 14, 09:46:47, The Wanderer wrote:
>
> I suspect that the answer is "they just didn't provide the functionality
> which ConsoleKit, and later systemd-logind, now enable them to provide",
> but I'm not aware - in a clear-understanding, defined-boundaries sense -
> of exactly what that
On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:13:27 -0400
Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Tanstaafl wrote:
> > My position is that:
> >
> > 1. email to invalid recipients should be rejected at the RCPT-TO
> > stage,
>
> Easier said then done - at least when a server does relaying, but
> clearly ideal when possible.
>
It's
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 03:34:40PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Thoughts?
I'm drawing blanks at the moment, but I'm glad you are looking at this.
I'll see if I can poke about a bit Tomorrow.
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On 10/15/2014 12:39 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
We've actually been in this place before. Wonderful Linux company
Caldera became SCO (oversimplification, but you know what I mean).
Wonderful Linux company Corel changed their CEO, and promptly accepted
money from Microsoft and dropped all their Windows
On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:15:24 -0400
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
> It is either OK to delete an email or it is not. You can't have it
> both ways.
It is *not* OK to silently delete an already accepted email, it does
indeed break SMTP as a reliable protocol ('reliable' as in: 'either we
deliver it
Martin Read writes:
(snip)
> * The set of people hostile to systemd seems to include a lot of people
> who don't see much need for the likes of ConsoleKit either.
(snip)
This is actually a rather good point. The machines I am most
conservative about, and wanting to make sure that they boot well
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 07:22:55AM +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> ConsoleKit has been fixed for kFreeBSD build, I expect fixing it in
> normal Debian/GNU wouldn't have been harder than choosing systemd.
It really needs (needed) adopting upstream, not just in Debian, because it's
upstream where p
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On 16/10/2014 6:49 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> reported bugs will get less attention nowtoo). But the consolekit
> deprecation happened a long time before the tech-ctte decision
> about systemd. Some one/people could have picked it up long ago.
> I
On 10/15/2014 07:08 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Le 15.10.2014 12:09, Brian a écrit :
On Wed 15 Oct 2014 at 10:41:12 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org
wrote:
Le 15.10.2014 09:11, Jonathan Dowland a écrit :
>On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:51:07AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
>>Check ou
On 10/12/2014 09:30 AM, Gary Roach wrote:
On 10/11/2014 06:28 PM, Don Armstrong wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014, Gary Roach wrote:
After cloning my bad drive to a new one and installing the new drive
(see previous messages titled excessive CPU usage) i am left with the
following problem:
Kate and l
Thanks Brian.
See follow-up question embedded below.
Brian wrote:
On Wed 15 Oct 2014 at 12:29:23 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
any thoughts re. conflicts between what's in, say
tasksel tasksel/first standard, web-server
and
d-i pkgsel/include string sysvinit-core systemd-shim
I don't believe
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 03:16:38PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> In theory. But in practice, folks make practical decisions as to
> expenditure of time and resources. For example, once Debian
> committed to systemd, Ubuntu followed suit - I expect that upstart
> will promptly whither and die.
Y
On 14 October 2014 17:10, Don Armstrong wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Oct 2014, Marty wrote:
>> It seems like free software employment and market share come with
>> increasing risk to objectivity and technical quality.
>
> People have to eat. Almost everyone who works on Debian has someone who
> pays them.
On 15/10/14 17:30, Steve Litt wrote:
Pre-cisely. I see Red Hat's fingerprints all over that unmaintained
status. If not for Red Hat, somebody would have picked up ConsoleKit.
After all, as shown in
http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/software/whos-writing-linux ,
there's plenty of money floating a
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:42:58PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
They were using ConsoleKit, which was orphaned upstream some time
after systemd-logind came along.
I rest my case.
There's nothing at all (not even Red Hat) preventing anyone (even you!) from
stepping up and ta
On 10/15/2014 12:40 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 10/15/2014 12:06 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 10/15/2014 8:14 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
>>> On 10/14/2014 3:28 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
But you just said it was OK to delete emails.
>
>>> Please don't misquote me. I said it was the *worst case*, me
Tanstaafl wrote:
On 10/15/2014 12:50 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
I'll close by noting that this branch of discussion started with a focus
on silently dropping spam, and whether that's a violation of standards.
Actually, no, this branch started with a focus on whether or not it is a
good idea to
On 10/15/2014 12:34 PM, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 10/15/2014 at 12:06 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
>> On 10/15/2014 8:14 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/14/2014 3:28 PM, Jerry Stuckle
>>> wrote:
>
But you just said it was OK to delete emails.
>>>
>>> Please don't misquote me. I said it was t
On 10/15/2014 01:38 PM, Don Armstrong wrote:
On Wed, 15 Oct 2014, Sven Joachim wrote:
I don't think there is actually an I/O error here, looking at the code
systemd-gpt-auto-generator makes this error up:
,
| errno = 0;
| r = blkid_probe_lookup_value(b, "PTTYPE", &pttype, NU
On Wed 15 Oct 2014 at 12:53:52 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:37:37 +0900
> Joel Rees wrote:
>
> > 2014/10/15 1:47 "Brian" :
> > >
>
> > > Give me swearing in posts rather than innuendo and attempted
> > > character assassination of a group dedicated workers.
> >
> > Do you
On Wed 15 Oct 2014 at 12:29:23 -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> any thoughts re. conflicts between what's in, say
>
> tasksel tasksel/first standard, web-server
> and
> d-i pkgsel/include string sysvinit-core systemd-shim
I don't believe there are any. I think what happens is that standard
and web
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:42:58PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > They were using ConsoleKit, which was orphaned upstream some time
> > after systemd-logind came along.
>
> I rest my case.
There's nothing at all (not even Red Hat) preventing anyone (even you!) from
stepping up and taking over devel
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On 16/10/2014 3:22 AM, Slavko wrote:
> But e.g. my dbus package doesn't depends on systemd at all:
>
> LANG=en aptitude show dbus | grep Depends -A2
> Depends: libaudit1 (>= 1:2.2.1), libc6 (>= 2.17), libcap-ng0, libdbus-1-3 (>=
> 1.7.6), l
On Wed, 15 Oct 2014, Sven Joachim wrote:
> I don't think there is actually an I/O error here, looking at the code
> systemd-gpt-auto-generator makes this error up:
>
> ,
> | errno = 0;
> | r = blkid_probe_lookup_value(b, "PTTYPE", &pttype, NULL);
> | if (r != 0) {
> |
On 10/15/2014 12:50 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> I'll close by noting that this branch of discussion started with a focus
> on silently dropping spam, and whether that's a violation of standards.
Actually, no, this branch started with a focus on whether or not it is a
good idea to break SMTP by a
On 2014-10-15 17:53 +0200, Don Armstrong wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Oct 2014, Jape Person wrote:
>
>> I'm also having the drive checked by smartmontools at boot time and
>> have received no warnings.
>
> You're basically not supposed to get I/O errors on drives like that. I'd
> try running smartctl -a /d
On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:37:37 +0900
Joel Rees wrote:
> 2014/10/15 1:47 "Brian" :
> >
> > Give me swearing in posts rather than innuendo and attempted
> > character assassination of a group dedicated workers.
>
> Do you realize that a lot of your posts, jumping on anti-systemd
> topics, might app
On 10/15/2014 11:53 AM, Don Armstrong wrote:
On Wed, 15 Oct 2014, Jape Person wrote:
From dmesg
...[4.853751] systemd-gpt-auto-generator[154]: Failed to determine
partition table type of /dev/sda: Input/output error
[4.854298] systemd[151]:
/lib/systemd/system-generators/systemd-gpt-aut
Joel Rees wrote:
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 9:01 PM, Miles Fidelman
wrote:
Tanstaafl wrote:
On 10/14/2014 1:58 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Well, this really is OT for debian-users, but Turns out that SMTP
WAS/IS intended to be reliable.
Reliable, absolutely. 100% reliable? That simply isn't
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 07:49:08AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
1. There is now an essential metapackage called init that depends on
one of systemd-sysv, or sysvinit-core, or upstart. (parenthetical
question: What distinguishes a metapackage from a virtual package?
Or p
On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 09:08:26 +0100
Martin Read wrote:
> On 14/10/14 22:56, Steve Litt wrote:
> > And how were they handling this task before systemd?
>
> They were using ConsoleKit, which was orphaned upstream some time
> after systemd-logind came along.
I rest my case.
SteveT
Steve Litt
On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 08:11:10 +0100
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:51:07AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > Check out what single company has 30% of the gatekeepers. Surprise,
> > surprise.
>
> Damned for their success. We want Linux to be successful, but woe
> betide any compa
On 10/15/2014 12:06 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 10/15/2014 8:14 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
>> On 10/14/2014 3:28 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>> But you just said it was OK to delete emails.
>> Please don't misquote me. I said it was the *worst case*, meaning, only
>> marginally better than *bouncing*
On 10/15/2014 12:25 PM, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 10/15/2014 at 12:11 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> You're limiting it too much. From Dictionary.com:
>>
>> obscurity
>> noun, plural obscurities.
>> 1. the state or quality of being obscure.
>> 2. the condition of being unknown:
>> ...
> That's a def
On 10/15/2014 at 12:06 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 10/15/2014 8:14 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
>
>> On 10/14/2014 3:28 PM, Jerry Stuckle
>> wrote:
>>> But you just said it was OK to delete emails.
>>
>> Please don't misquote me. I said it was the *worst case*, meaning,
>> only marginally better tha
On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:02:03 +0300
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Ma, 14 oct 14, 17:56:58, Steve Litt wrote:
> >
> > Because you don't want to inextricably drag a giant monolith into
> > your Desktop Environment just to do a few things.
>
> If you compare systemd with a Desktop Environment I'm not
On 10/15/2014 11:34 AM, Sven Joachim wrote:
On 2014-10-15 16:14 +0200, Jape Person wrote:
I am seeing this during the boot sequence on a Debian testing
installation. Sometimes it is actually left showing on TTY1 after the
DM (lightdm in this case) comes up, and sometimes not.
From TTY1
...
sy
On 10/15/2014 at 12:11 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 10/15/2014 10:17 AM, The Wanderer wrote:
>
>> On 10/14/2014 at 03:28 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>> Then what is that if it isn't "obscurity"?
>>
>> "Security by obscurity" isn't "no one knows the password" or "no
>> one knows the account name"
Ahoj,
Dňa Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:31:02 +0300 Andrei POPESCU
napísal:
> Using Debian package dependencies this is expressed as
> Depends: libpam-systemd by those packages that actually require those
> interfaces
>
> $ aptitude search '?depends(libpam-systemd)'
Not always right results:
aptitude
On Wed, 15 Oct 2014, Jape Person wrote:
> From dmesg
> ...[4.853751] systemd-gpt-auto-generator[154]: Failed to determine
> partition table type of /dev/sda: Input/output error
> [4.854298] systemd[151]:
> /lib/systemd/system-generators/systemd-gpt-auto-generator failed with error
> code 1.
Patrick Bartek wrote:
Just got latest upgrade of Chrome Stable (38.0.2125.104-1) for my Wheezy
64-bit (Openbox WM only) directly from Google repo. Pepperflash player
(15.0.0.189) now working.
And it only took a month and a half. ;-)
B
with libc6 from Jessie?
Hugo
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On 10/15/2014 10:17 AM, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 10/14/2014 at 03:28 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
>> On 10/14/2014 12:03 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/14/2014 11:17 AM, Jerry Stuckle
>>> wrote:
>
Wrong on two counts. First of all, the false notion "Security
through obscurity *never*
Ahoj,
Dňa Wed, 15 Oct 2014 11:09:53 +0100 Brian
napísal:
> On Wed 15 Oct 2014 at 10:41:12 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org
> wrote:
>
> > Le 15.10.2014 09:11, Jonathan Dowland a écrit :
> > >On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:51:07AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > >>Check out what single company has
On 10/15/2014 8:14 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 10/14/2014 3:28 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 10/14/2014 12:03 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:
>>> On 10/14/2014 11:17 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 10/14/2014 8:05 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
> If you think I'm kidding, please by all means go make these silly
>
On 2014-10-15 16:14 +0200, Jape Person wrote:
> I am seeing this during the boot sequence on a Debian testing
> installation. Sometimes it is actually left showing on TTY1 after the
> DM (lightdm in this case) comes up, and sometimes not.
>
> From TTY1
> ...
> systemd-gpt-auto-generator[152]: Fail
Thanks to those who've provided scripts and pointers to apt-
capabilities. But... both out of curiosity and practicality - to the
Debian developers out there - are there any tools on the SCM or build
servers that run dependency graphs across the package database?
Miles Fidelman
Andrew McGla
2014/10/15 1:47 "Brian" :
>
> On Tue 14 Oct 2014 at 12:06:11 -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 11:02:10AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > > On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:05:06 -0400
> > > Henning Follmann wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 07:56:40AM -0400, Marty wrote:
Steve Litt writes:
> Check out what single company has 30% of the gatekeepers. Surprise,
> surprise.
Better Red Hat than just about anybody else.
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Hi, folks!
Sorry about the title. I'm just addicted to movie titles from the 60s.
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I am seeing this during the boot sequence on a Debian testing
installation. Sometimes it is actually left showing on TTY1 after the DM
(lightdm in this case) comes up, and sometimes not.
From TTY1
...
syst
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 9:01 PM, Miles Fidelman
wrote:
> Tanstaafl wrote:
>>
>> On 10/14/2014 1:58 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, this really is OT for debian-users, but Turns out that SMTP
>>> WAS/IS intended to be reliable.
>>
>> Reliable, absolutely. 100% reliable? That simply is
On 10/14/2014 at 03:28 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 10/14/2014 12:03 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:
>
>> On 10/14/2014 11:17 AM, Jerry Stuckle
>> wrote:
>>> Wrong on two counts. First of all, the false notion "Security
>>> through obscurity *never* works". This has nothing to do with
>>> security.
>>
On 10/14/2014 at 04:15 PM, Olav Vitters wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 06:18:01PM +0200, lee wrote:
>
>> Considering that the users are Debians' priority, couldn't this
>> issue be a case in which significant concerns from/of the users
>> about an issue might initiate a GR? Wouldn't it speak l
On 10/15/2014 at 04:08 AM, Martin Read wrote:
> On 14/10/14 22:56, Steve Litt wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 15 Oct 2014 00:15:40 +0300 Andrei POPESCU
>> wrote:
>>> And it also seems to make sense (why should every Desktop
>>> Environment implement it's own solution for this?).
>> And how were they handl
Le 15.10.2014 12:37, Scott Ferguson a écrit :
On 15/10/14 22:08, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Le 15.10.2014 12:09, Brian a écrit :
On Wed 15 Oct 2014 at 10:41:12 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org
wrote:
Le 15.10.2014 09:11, Jonathan Dowland a écrit :
>On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 07:49:08AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> 1. There is now an essential metapackage called init that depends on
> one of systemd-sysv, or sysvinit-core, or upstart. (parenthetical
> question: What distinguishes a metapackage from a virtual package?
> Or perhaps, more precis
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On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 06:37:57 Scott Ferguson wrote:
> On 15/10/14 22:08, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
> > Le 15.10.2014 12:09, Brian a écrit :
> >> On Wed 15 Oct 2014 at 10:41:12 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org
> >>
> >> wrote:
> >>> Le 15.10.2014 09:
On 10/14/2014 3:20 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 10/14/2014 11:24 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
>> However, once a message has been accepted - ie, *after* the DATA phase
>> is complete, it should never be bounced, it should be delivered - or,
>> worse, quarantined, or worst case, deleted (ie, itf it is lat
On 10/14/2014 3:28 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 10/14/2014 12:03 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:
>> On 10/14/2014 11:17 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>> On 10/14/2014 8:05 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
If you think I'm kidding, please by all means go make these silly
statements on the postfix list and I'll ju
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On 15/10/2014 6:02 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> ConsoleKit, unmaintained.
But fixed, for kFreeBSD
A.
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