Re: Canon printer minor quibble

On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 22:48:38 (+0100), Brian wrote: > On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 17:00:02 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 03:49:23PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > > "CUPS is the standards-based, open source printing system developed by > > > Apple Inc. for macOS® and other U

Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 10:22:10PM +0200, mo wrote: > Hi fellow Debian users ;) > I want to do the following configuration: > Send and deliver local mails between my systems. Currently exim is > configured as a Internet Server (dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config). > In general i kinda ask myself how i w

Re: Canon printer minor quibble

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 06:10:43PM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 22:31:24 +0900, Mark Fletcher wrote: > > > This is what I did although in practice neither apt-get -f install nor > > Wheezy were needed. > > Strange. cnijfilter-ix6500series_3.50-1_amd64.deb depends on libtiff4, > wh

Re: Configuring Exim for mail delivery

On 2016-09-30, mo wrote: > Hi fellow Debian users ;) > > First off some information. (both, the pc and the server run Debian Jessie): > > Distributor ID: Debian > Description: Debian GNU/Linux 8.6 (jessie) > Release: 8.6 > Codename: jessie > > Exim: > ii exim4

Re: Canon printer minor quibble

On Friday 30 September 2016 19:25:52 Brian wrote: > Maintaining that CUPS is an official acronym for "Common Unix Printing > System" has, so far, not been substantiated. Brian, do drop it. No-one, but no-one, has claimed it is the *official*name. It can't be because of the trademark problem. T

Re: Canon printer minor quibble

On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 17:00:02 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 03:49:23PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > "CUPS is the standards-based, open source printing system developed by > > Apple Inc. for macOS® and other UNIX®-like operating systems." > > > > which is stretching the

Re: Canon printer minor quibble

On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 19:25:52 +0100 Brian sent: > That is a very good point. If you were to ask xorg upstream why the X > Window system is called "X Window" it is possible you would be told > that it is the successor to the W Window system. This doesn't tell you > exactly what it does but it does t

Re: Scroll Lock on VT prevents reboot/shutdown

David Wright composed on 2016-09-30 18:58 (UTC+0300): On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 18:06:18 (+0300), Reco wrote: Presumably systemd has its merits, but VT handling is not one of them. I agree that there're many cornercases in sysvinit's VT handling, but inability to shut down and reboot is always a

Re: Canon printer minor quibble

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 03:49:23PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > "CUPS is the standards-based, open source printing system developed by > Apple Inc. for macOS® and other UNIX®-like operating systems." > > which is stretching the truth IMHO, given the normal meaning of "for", > "and", and "other", w

Re: Scroll Lock on VT prevents reboot/shutdown

On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 18:06:18 (+0300), Reco wrote: > Presumably systemd has its merits, but VT handling is not one of them. > I agree that there're many cornercases in sysvinit's VT handling, but > inability to shut down and reboot is always a touchy subject to me. > > But I'm not intending to s

Re: Canon printer minor quibble

On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 14:40:44 (+0100), Brian wrote: > The Internet might want CUPS to mean "Common Unix Printing System"; it > could organise a day of protest demanding CUPS to mean "Common Unix > Printing System"; it could sell tee shirts saying "CUPS - the Common > Unix Printing System". That d

Configuring Exim for mail delivery

Hi fellow Debian users ;) First off some information. (both, the pc and the server run Debian Jessie): Distributor ID: Debian Description:Debian GNU/Linux 8.6 (jessie) Release:8.6 Codename: jessie Exim: ii exim44.84.2-2+deb8u1 all metapa

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On 2016-09-30 14:32 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Friday 30 September 2016 10:31:46 Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > I'm not the only one to complain. > > For goodness sake!!! This is Debian. Open Source. Choice. > Your call. Either rewrite Aptitude and publish a fork; use > it; or don't use it.

Re: Canon printer minor quibble

On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 11:12:25 -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Friday, September 30, 2016 10:46:16 AM Greg Wooledge wrote: > > We are talking about right now. The name CUPS is clearly an acronym > > that stands for Common Unix Printing System (or "UNIX" if you prefer). > > Everyone who uses

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On Fri, 30 Sep 2016, John Hasler wrote: > Vincent Lefevre writes: > > It's a pity that Aptitude is so poorly designed. > > Aptitude was designed to be used with *Stable*. People who use Unstable I didn't get that memo... as far as I am concerned, aptitude is the only interactive apt frontend tha

Re: A psgmlx that plays nice with emacs24?

>> Not really. Which version of psgmlx are you using? >> What problem(s) did you encounter with it? > Most of the details are on the deb-doc list now. Basically, emacs24 can't > handle the old elisp in psgmlx, hence my need for an older version of emacs. This "hence" is a bit hasty. Myself, I w

Re: Canon printer minor quibble

On Friday 30 September 2016 11:37:13 Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Friday 30 September 2016 16:12:59 Reco wrote: > > Hi. > > > > On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 15:51:27 +0100 > > > > Brian wrote: > > > On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 15:28:01 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > > On Friday 30 September 2016 14:55:07 Brian wr

Re: Canon printer minor quibble

On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 22:31:24 +0900, Mark Fletcher wrote: > On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 06:05:27PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 00:03:38 +0900, Mark Fletcher wrote: > > > > > Anyway will finish trying to understand that shell script later -- it > > > wants me to run it as root, no

Re: Canon printer minor quibble

On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 18:12:59 +0300, Reco wrote: > On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 15:51:27 +0100 > Brian wrote: > > > ESP called it the "Common Unix Printing System". Apple doesn't. Why > > should the wishes (and rights) of one company be respected but not those > > of another? > > > > Apple has probably

Re: A psgmlx that plays nice with emacs24?

On Fri, 30 Sep 2016, Stefan Monnier wrote: Not really. Which version of psgmlx are you using? What problem(s) did you encounter with it? Most of the details are on the deb-doc list now. Basically, emacs24 can't handle the old elisp in psgmlx, hence my need for an older version of emacs. p

Re: Canon printer minor quibble

On Friday 30 September 2016 16:12:59 Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 15:51:27 +0100 > > Brian wrote: > > On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 15:28:01 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > On Friday 30 September 2016 14:55:07 Brian wrote: > > > > It does indeed say this. The "C" is not equated anywhere

Re: Canon printer minor quibble

On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 10:20:52 -0500, John Hasler wrote: > Brian wrote: > > The People can continue to say what they want but it does not change > > the fact that the official name of the software is CUPS. > > The salesmen can continue to say what they have to in order to comply > with trademark

Re: Canon printer minor quibble

On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 11:00:13 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 03:51:27PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > The People > > can continue to say what they want but it does not change the fact that > > the official name of the software is CUPS. > > Yes, that is the new Official Name. Go

Re: Canon printer minor quibble

rhkramer writes: > Aside: If I'm in court, and the judge threatens to cite me for > contempt if I say Common Unix Printing System, I'm not sure what I'll > do ;-) Won't happen (in the USA). The judge will know the law. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Canon printer minor quibble

Brian wrote: > The People can continue to say what they want but it does not change > the fact that the official name of the software is CUPS. The salesmen can continue to say what they have to in order to comply with trademark law but the real name of the software is the Common Unix Printing Syst

Re: A psgmlx that plays nice with emacs24?

> I think (hope) the subject says it all. Not really. Which version of psgmlx are you using? What problem(s) did you encounter with it? Stefan

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

Vincent Lefevre writes: > It's a pity that Aptitude is so poorly designed. Aptitude was designed to be used with *Stable*. People who use Unstable are expected to know what they are doing and be able to deal with problems. Trying to make Aptitude so intelligent that it could buffer naive users f

Re: Canon printer minor quibble

Hi. On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 15:51:27 +0100 Brian wrote: > On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 15:28:01 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > On Friday 30 September 2016 14:55:07 Brian wrote: > > > It does indeed say this. The "C" is not equated anywhere with "Common". > > > > No. That is why I said "most of i

Re: Canon printer minor quibble

On Friday, September 30, 2016 10:46:16 AM Greg Wooledge wrote: > We are talking about right now. The name CUPS is clearly an acronym > that stands for Common Unix Printing System (or "UNIX" if you prefer). > Everyone who uses CUPS knows this. It's the dirty little secret that > Apple can no longe

Re: How to get an older emacs on Jessie

On Fri, 30 Sep 2016, Stefan Monnier wrote: dist-upgrade doesn't happen automatically. So yes, you can add the above and then do something like I appended this to my sources.list: deb http://debian.csail.mit.edu/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free and then ran: # apt-get update I kept rer

Re: Scroll Lock on VT prevents reboot/shutdown

Hi. On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 10:09:25 -0300 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Fri, 30 Sep 2016, Reco wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 10:03:31PM +, Matt Sickler wrote: > > > I'm not sure which package this bug should be filed against, partially > > > because I'm not entirely sure

Re: Canon printer minor quibble

On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 10:46:16 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 03:37:55PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 16:20:03 +0200, Frank wrote: > > > It is. Check (most of) the entries in the blog at > > > https://www.cups.org/blog.html from 10 Jul 2000 to 15 Dec 2008. >

Re: Canon printer minor quibble

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 03:51:27PM +0100, Brian wrote: > The People > can continue to say what they want but it does not change the fact that > the official name of the software is CUPS. Yes, that is the new Official Name. Nobody(*) gives a flying leap what the Official Name is. The question was

Re: Canon printer minor quibble

On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 15:28:01 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Friday 30 September 2016 14:55:07 Brian wrote: > > It does indeed say this. The "C" is not equated anywhere with "Common". > > No. That is why I said "most of it", not "all of it". It isn't *any* of it. > If we are talking about Brit

Re: Canon printer minor quibble

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 03:37:55PM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 16:20:03 +0200, Frank wrote: > > It is. Check (most of) the entries in the blog at > > https://www.cups.org/blog.html from 10 Jul 2000 to 15 Dec 2008. > > I thought it was obvious we were talking about now, not the past

Re: Canon printer minor quibble

On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 16:20:03 +0200, Frank wrote: > Op 30-09-16 om 15:55 schreef Brian: > >It does indeed say this. The "C" is not equated anywhere with "Common". > > It is. Check (most of) the entries in the blog at > https://www.cups.org/blog.html from 10 Jul 2000 to 15 Dec 2008. I thought it

Re: Canon printer minor quibble

On Friday 30 September 2016 14:55:07 Brian wrote: > It does indeed say this. The "C" is not equated anywhere with "Common". No. That is why I said "most of it", not "all of it". If we are talking about British Institutions ... Do you even remember Consignia??? Did you even for one moment stop

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On 09/30/2016 09:32 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: You COULD even change to an rpm distro and have a completely different moan available to you. ;-) Who says Linux isn't sexy to use?? I think that the biggest beef is not the package manager, but the packages that depended on everything else installed

Re: Canon printer minor quibble

Op 30-09-16 om 15:55 schreef Brian: It does indeed say this. The "C" is not equated anywhere with "Common". It is. Check (most of) the entries in the blog at https://www.cups.org/blog.html from 10 Jul 2000 to 15 Dec 2008. Regards, Frank

Re: Canon printer minor quibble

On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 09:28:15 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 02:20:43PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 01:31:03PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > > > The "U" in CUPS officially doesn't stand for anything. The same applies > > > > to the "C", "P" and "S". >

Re: Canon printer minor quibble

On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 14:20:43 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Friday 30 September 2016 14:02:05 Mark Fletcher wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 01:31:03PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > > On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 20:54:32 +0900, Mark Fletcher wrote: > > > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 10:31:45PM +0100, Lisi Rei

Re: Canon printer minor quibble

On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 22:02:05 +0900, Mark Fletcher wrote: > On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 01:31:03PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 20:54:32 +0900, Mark Fletcher wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 10:31:45PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > > On Thursday 29 September 2016 16:03:38 M

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

>> > It's a pity that Aptitude is so poorly designed. >> Just because it doesn't always work the way you want it doesn't mean it >> should labeled "poorly designed". > I'm not the only one to complain. My point is that saying it's "poorly designed" is like calling the author an idiot. So it's ver

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On Friday 30 September 2016 10:31:46 Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2016-09-29 19:04:20 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > > It's a pity that Aptitude is so poorly designed. > > > > Just because it doesn't always work the way you want it doesn't mean it > > should labeled "poorly designed". > > I'm not

Re: Canon printer minor quibble

On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 06:05:27PM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 00:03:38 +0900, Mark Fletcher wrote: > > > Anyway will finish trying to understand that shell script later -- it > > wants me to run it as root, no way I am doing that until I have > > satisfied myself I know roughly

Re: Canon printer minor quibble

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 02:20:43PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 01:31:03PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > > The "U" in CUPS officially doesn't stand for anything. The same applies > > > to the "C", "P" and "S". > It also says most of it, definitely that U stands for Unix, on the h

Re: How to get an older emacs on Jessie

> Can this be adjusted to allow me to install via apt-get this package?: > https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/emacs23 > My fear is that if I monkey with sources.list I will trigger an unwanted > dist-upgrade. dist-upgrade doesn't happen automatically. So yes, you can add the above and then do som

Re: Canon printer minor quibble

On Friday 30 September 2016 14:02:05 Mark Fletcher wrote: > On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 01:31:03PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 20:54:32 +0900, Mark Fletcher wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 10:31:45PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > > On Thursday 29 September 2016 16:03:38 Mark Fle

Re: Scroll Lock on VT prevents reboot/shutdown

On Fri, 30 Sep 2016, Reco wrote: > On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 10:03:31PM +, Matt Sickler wrote: > > I'm not sure which package this bug should be filed against, partially > > because I'm not entirely sure of the root cause. I'm able to replicate it > > on our systems every time, though I have n

Re: Canon printer minor quibble

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 01:31:03PM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 20:54:32 +0900, Mark Fletcher wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 10:31:45PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > On Thursday 29 September 2016 16:03:38 Mark Fletcher wrote: > > > > which I find ironic > > > > considering wh

Re: Canon printer minor quibble

On Fri 30 Sep 2016 at 20:54:32 +0900, Mark Fletcher wrote: > On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 10:31:45PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Thursday 29 September 2016 16:03:38 Mark Fletcher wrote: > > > which I find ironic > > > considering what the U of CUPS stands for > > > > Why? MacOSX is Unix based (vi

Re: Canon printer minor quibble

On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 10:31:45PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Thursday 29 September 2016 16:03:38 Mark Fletcher wrote: > > which I find ironic > > considering what the U of CUPS stands for > > Why? MacOSX is Unix based (via BSD) and CUPS is supposed to be common to all > Unices (though I have

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Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On 2016-09-29 19:04:20 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > It's a pity that Aptitude is so poorly designed. > > Just because it doesn't always work the way you want it doesn't mean it > should labeled "poorly designed". I'm not the only one to complain. -- Vincent Lefèvre - Web:

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Re: Scroll Lock on VT prevents reboot/shutdown

Hi. On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 10:03:31PM +, Matt Sickler wrote: > I'm not sure which package this bug should be filed against, partially > because I'm not entirely sure of the root cause. I'm able to replicate it on > our systems every time, though I have not tried on a fresh install

Re: WARNING! New Perl/Perl-base upgrade removes 141 Sid/Unstable packages

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 11:33:58AM -0400, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > YES, I know this is Unstable. That's why I specifically made that > declaration in the email's subject line and other (i.e. "the bug > report", grin). I'm one of the ones who issues that statement herself > on regular occasion. Wo

Re: How to get an older emacs on Jessie

On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 12:14:54PM -0400, Bob Bernstein wrote: > Can this be adjusted to allow me to install via apt-get this package?: > > https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/emacs23 > > My fear is that if I monkey with sources.list I will trigger an unwanted > dist-upgrade. The solution would b