Re: which program/command can show wireless connection quality?

On 10/08/18 17:54, Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 11:44:42AM +1200, Richard Hector wrote: >> On 09/08/18 19:00, Reco wrote: >>> Also, consider wrapping a sheet of tin foil around USB WiFi dongle, >>> transforming stock omni-directional antenna to uni-directional. >> >> Uni-dir

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 22:35:19 +0100 Mark Rousell wrote: > On 09/08/2018 18:39, tech wrote: > > Should'nt be time to move away from an old mail-listing to something > > more modern like a bugzilla or else ??? > > No. Mail lists works as well now as they did then. > > Mail lists are efficient, t

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On 10/08/2018 00:03, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > > No. This is an absolutely terrible idea. Here's why mailing lists > are (along with Usenet newsgroups) vastly superior to web-based anything: > [excellent list redacted for brevity] Well said! What a very useful list of the reasons that mail lists co

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On 09/08/2018 18:39, tech wrote: > Should'nt be time to move away from an old mail-listing to something > more modern like a bugzilla or else ??? No. Mail lists works as well now as they did then. Mail lists are efficient, to the point, simple to use. Don't try to fix what isn't broken. -- Ma

Re: What time is it, really?

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 07:46:46PM +0200, Fekete Tamás wrote: verify the output. note: ntpd has to run!). Assume, that you choosed the proper time source for sync, so it means that the mechanism which steps your clock locally is broken. It can be battery reasons on the mainboard, temperature can

Re: What time is it, really?

On Fri 10 Aug 2018 at 09:20:42 (-0700), Fred wrote: > On 08/10/2018 08:18 AM, David Wright wrote: > >On Thu 09 Aug 2018 at 14:26:30 (-0700), Fred wrote: > >>Several years ago I built a "network clock" that receives WWVB time > >>signals, has a clock display and an Ethernet interface so computers >

iptables config resets after restarting system

Good afternoon! I've problem with resetting iptables after restarting system. Here's my /usr/local/bin/fwall-rules file: #!/bin/bash IPTABLES=/sbin/iptables IP6TABLES=/sbin/ip6tables echo -e "\n ** clean rules ** \n" echo " * flushing old rules" ${IPTABLES} --flush ${IPTABLES} --delete-chain $

Re: manuals

On Fri 10 Aug 2018 at 20:43:22 +0100, mick crane wrote: > On 2018-08-10 20:31, Brian wrote: > > On Fri 10 Aug 2018 at 20:16:33 +0100, mick crane wrote: > > > > > Is it OK if I wget the webpages from > > > https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/ ? > > > to look at locally or are there handy archives

Re: manuals

On 2018-08-10 20:31, Brian wrote: On Fri 10 Aug 2018 at 20:16:33 +0100, mick crane wrote: Is it OK if I wget the webpages from https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/ ? to look at locally or are there handy archives I could download ? We expect you have explored the links on that page and found

Re: What time is it, really?

On Fri 10 Aug 2018 at 11:32:35 (-0400), Michael Stone wrote: > On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 10:18:19AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > >Currently we have a consumer radio clock which is a source of mystery > >to me twice a year: the DST change occurs in the early evening on > >Saturday instead of Sunday mo

Re: manuals

mick crane writes: > Is it OK if I wget the webpages from > https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/ ? > to look at locally or are there handy archives I could download ? Yes, it's okay for you to download them. Most of them you don't need to, because there is a more convenient way. Many of the manu

Re: manuals

On Fri 10 Aug 2018 at 20:16:33 +0100, mick crane wrote: > Is it OK if I wget the webpages from https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/ ? > to look at locally or are there handy archives I could download ? We expect you have explored the links on that page and found there are Debian packages for a gr

manuals

Is it OK if I wget the webpages from https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/ ? to look at locally or are there handy archives I could download ? mick -- Key ID4BFEBB31

Re: What time is it, really?

On Friday 10 August 2018 13:46:46 Fekete Tamás wrote: > Dear guys, > > I think lot of answers flied through on the original questions and I > didn't see proper answers to them, so I would like to add my > contribution to this topic: > I collected a lot of information some week ago because of indus

Re: What time is it, really?

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 07:46:46PM +0200, Fekete Tamás wrote: > So in a situtation like that I never wait to ntpd to sync the time slowly. > I use ntpdate, but it can be used only if ntpd or other sync programs > doesn't use UDP123 port. So I stop ntpd and make an ntpdate ntpserver> and the clock

Re: What time is it, really?

On Fri 10 Aug 2018 at 09:20:42 -0700, Fred wrote: > On 08/10/2018 08:18 AM, David Wright wrote: > > On Thu 09 Aug 2018 at 14:26:30 (-0700), Fred wrote: > > > On 08/09/2018 12:42 PM, Brian wrote: > > > > On Thu 09 Aug 2018 at 20:39:16 +0200, john doe wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 8/9/2018 5:00 PM, G

Re: What time is it, really?

Dear guys, I think lot of answers flied through on the original questions and I didn't see proper answers to them, so I would like to add my contribution to this topic: I collected a lot of information some week ago because of industrial servers where the time sync was an unresolved problem. As th

Re: Plasma 5 unusuable after latest buster "upgrade"

On 2018-08-10 12:48 PM, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer wrote: Hi Gary! According to your issues I can only think in an issue with your video card. What do you have there? Another thing to try is creating another user. FWIW no one else has reported an issue like yours yet, or at least not t

Re: which program/command can show wireless connection quality?

Long Wind wrote: > it has nothing to do with police or other AP > > i have a PCI wireless card, it works fine, i needn't monitor its > performance with wavemon > > the USB adapter works in the same environment as the PCI card, i really > don't know cause of its problem > if you run them in pa

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 5:59 AM Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 05:39:36PM +, tech wrote: > >Should'nt be time to move away from an old mail-listing to something > >more modern like a bugzilla or else ??? > > Assuming you are talking about systems for discussion, rather than

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

Piotr wrote: > The best was NNTP, but sadly there are not many places where it is still > used. Web and e-mail approach is for more "handicaped" users, and as the > exampes shows, there are many of them. Otherwise the trend would be to > stick to NNTP and not to move to no powerfull solutions. If

Re: What time is it, really?

On 08/10/2018 08:18 AM, David Wright wrote: On Thu 09 Aug 2018 at 14:26:30 (-0700), Fred wrote: On 08/09/2018 12:42 PM, Brian wrote: On Thu 09 Aug 2018 at 20:39:16 +0200, john doe wrote: On 8/9/2018 5:00 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 10:49:52AM -0400, Jim Popovitch wrote:

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On 08/10/2018 08:58 AM, The Wanderer wrote: On 2018-08-10 at 08:29, Rich Kulawiec wrote: On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 11:46:12AM -, Dan Purgert wrote: Not familiar with procmail. A quick perusal of the manpage seems to indicate this is a local mail "processor" for sorting things, as opposed t

Re: What time is it, really?

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 10:18:19AM -0500, David Wright wrote: Currently we have a consumer radio clock which is a source of mystery to me twice a year: the DST change occurs in the early evening on Saturday instead of Sunday morning. The clock isn't properly decoding the DST bits. See https://

Re: What time is it, really?

On Thu 09 Aug 2018 at 14:26:30 (-0700), Fred wrote: > On 08/09/2018 12:42 PM, Brian wrote: > >On Thu 09 Aug 2018 at 20:39:16 +0200, john doe wrote: > > > >>On 8/9/2018 5:00 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote: > >>>On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 10:49:52AM -0400, Jim Popovitch wrote: > On Thu, 2018-08-09 at 10:35

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 07:55:00AM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 08:29:34AM -0400, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > > Correct. Procmail uses a set of rules to decide what to go with messages > > presented to it; those rules are usually based on the contents of message > > headers, b

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 11:33:39AM -, Dan Purgert wrote: > Dan Ritter wrote: > > 3. Indexed mail searching. Whatever works with your preferred > > mail client. Have cron run a re-index every morning before you > > wake up. > > Care to expand on this one a bit? Not entirely sure what you mean h

Re: debian-user over NNTP: linux.debian.user (was mailing list vs "the futur")

Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희, 黃炳熙) wrote: > Dan Purgert writes: >> Yeah, well, least it's on eternal-september (my NNTP provider). I doubt >> they're the most active, but the service is free, and good enough for my >> tastes. > > Also i like NNTP service! For now i'm on Gmane, thanks^^^ Now that you mean

Re: debian-user over NNTP: linux.debian.user (was mailing list vs "the futur")

Dan Purgert writes: > Thomas Schmitt wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I really really want to abstain from that thread. So a new one: >> >> Gene Heskett wrotei in 'mailing list vs "the futur"': >>> [...] NNTP [...] >>> To fully support it needs 2000 times the bandwidth of an email server. >> >> But not becaus

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 08:29:34AM -0400, Rich Kulawiec wrote: Correct. Procmail uses a set of rules to decide what to go with messages presented to it; those rules are usually based on the contents of message headers, but don't have to be. For example, for this mailing list: :0:

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

Rich Kulawiec wrote: > On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 11:46:12AM -, Dan Purgert wrote: >> Not familiar with procmail. A quick perusal of the manpage seems to >> indicate this is a local mail "processor" for sorting things, as opposed >> to say something on the mailserver itself? > > Correct. Procmai

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 08:29:34 -0400 Rich Kulawiec wrote: Hello Rich, >will be appended to the file named in the last line. (It would be nice >if the debian lists complied with RFC 2919 by using List-Id, but at >least All the Debian lists I'm subbed to have a List-Id header. Maybe they didn't i

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 10 August 2018 07:24:18 zaxonxp wrote: >> [...] >> NNTP was a way to go. Sadly not many portals supports it promoting >> only web access or mail list. Personally I do not like to polute my >> mailbox with a tons of e-mails and clean them up later on. NNTP client >> d

Re: debian-user over NNTP: linux.debian.user (was mailing list vs "the futur")

Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > I really really want to abstain from that thread. So a new one: > > Gene Heskett wrotei in 'mailing list vs "the futur"': >> [...] NNTP [...] >> To fully support it needs 2000 times the bandwidth of an email server. > > But not because of the transport protocoli or m

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

Erik Christiansen wrote: > On 10.08.18 11:46, Dan Purgert wrote: >> Rich Kulawiec wrote: >> To expand on that with my own personal prejudice -- the people using >> these "sub-par" tools are also the ones who're the cause of some of the >> existent (modern?) problems with mailing lists. >> >> Namel

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On 2018-08-10 at 08:29, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 11:46:12AM -, Dan Purgert wrote: > >> Not familiar with procmail. A quick perusal of the manpage seems >> to indicate this is a local mail "processor" for sorting things, as >> opposed to say something on the mailserver i

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 10:29:53PM +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote: Yup. Details on how to direct its filtering/distribution are in the procmailrc manpage. Its development stabilised some time ago, and those of us who use it are very content with that. I would not recommend procmail for new depl

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 08:29:34AM -0400, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > Correct. Procmail uses a set of rules to decide what to go with messages > presented to it; those rules are usually based on the contents of message > headers, but don't have to be. For example, for this mailing list: > > :0:

debian-user over NNTP: linux.debian.user (was mailing list vs "the futur")

Hi, I really really want to abstain from that thread. So a new one: Gene Heskett wrotei in 'mailing list vs "the futur"': > [...] NNTP [...] > To fully support it needs 2000 times the bandwidth of an email server. But not because of the transport protocoli or message format. NNTP belongs to the

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 11:46:12AM -, Dan Purgert wrote: > Not familiar with procmail. A quick perusal of the manpage seems to > indicate this is a local mail "processor" for sorting things, as opposed > to say something on the mailserver itself? Correct. Procmail uses a set of rules to deci

Re: which program/command can show wireless connection quality?

On 8/10/18, Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 12:16:38AM +, Long Wind wrote: >> Thanks! >> >> my adapter is Asus WL-167g USB WLAN Adapter >> i don't understand why change directional from omni to uni > > Because if it's the noise/signal ratio that's the trouble this should >

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On 10.08.18 11:46, Dan Purgert wrote: > Rich Kulawiec wrote: > To expand on that with my own personal prejudice -- the people using > these "sub-par" tools are also the ones who're the cause of some of the > existent (modern?) problems with mailing lists. > > Namely: > > - HTML Messages > - Not

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On Friday 10 August 2018 07:24:18 zaxonxp wrote: > > rH8U]On)GIf;w1ZqdMj$nbYY >.Ix8o\C & > > > auM`4jC,sl5vR&@dR!_,^'*^6+Udo[>g^ruiad#l{:lJ?&mGQ{VKGRV_nM~oBgfJm"TpFZ >=!t0yw! $ > UN > References: > User-Agent: Pan/0.141 (Tarzan's Death; 168b179 git.gnome.org/pan2) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On 2018-08-10, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > > Serious email users should be using mutt, which is fast, compact, > ... > Furthermore, everyone using mailing lists should be maintaining ... > maintained by the site running the mailing list. in turn, everyone > running a mailing list should take care

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

Rich Kulawiec wrote: > On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 06:24:55AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: >> I get more mail than that before breakfast. If you've got the >> right tools, it's easy to deal with. > > This is an excellent point. Many of the people who lodge complaints > like the one that started this discu

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

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Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

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Re: OT: What time is it, really?

On Friday 10 August 2018 05:54:22 Anders Andersson wrote: > On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 7:35 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Thursday 09 August 2018 12:26:24 Martin wrote: > >> Am 09.08.2018 um 18:15 schrieb Gene Heskett: > >> > On Thursday 09 August 2018 11:16:27 Martin wrote: > >> >> Am 09.08.2018 u

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

[This mail was also posted to linux.debian.user.] On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 13:30:01 +0200, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 06:24:55AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: >> I get more mail than that before breakfast. If you've got the right >> tools, it's easy to deal with. > > This is an excelle

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

Dan Ritter wrote: > On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 06:05:41PM +, tech wrote: >> [...] >> Since augusth 1st: >> >> I received around 12 familly mails, 62 pro-mails, 147 >> spam/pishing/bullshit mails. >> >> Between all the debian mails list who exist, i receives also 168 >> emails. >> >> I have mayb

Re: System Update Problem

Many thanks On 08/10/2018 07:29 AM, john doe wrote: On 8/10/2018 12:33 PM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: I am running Stretch on my 64 bit Linux platform. This morning, when I run apt-get update as root I get: root@AbNormal:/home/comp# apt update Ign:1 http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian stretch

Re: System Update Problem

On 8/10/2018 12:33 PM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: I am running  Stretch on my 64 bit Linux platform. This morning, when  I run apt-get update as root I get: root@AbNormal:/home/comp# apt update Ign:1 http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian stretch InRelease Hit:2 http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian stret

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 06:24:55AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > I get more mail than that before breakfast. If you've got the > right tools, it's easy to deal with. This is an excellent point. Many of the people who lodge complaints like the one that started this discussion thread have chosen very

Re: System Update Problem

Stephen P. Molnar, Fr 10 Aug 2018 12:33:12 CEST: > I am running Stretch on my 64 bit Linux platform. This morning, when I > run apt-get update as root I get: > > root@AbNormal:/home/comp# apt update > Ign:1 http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian stretch InRelease > Hit:2 http://debian.uchicago.edu/

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 05:39:36PM +, tech wrote: > The way most people keep up to date on network news is through > subscription to a number of mail reflectors [...] To add to other people's responses here (with which I do agree), perhaps you sho

System Update Problem

I am running Stretch on my 64 bit Linux platform. This morning, when I run apt-get update as root I get: root@AbNormal:/home/comp# apt update Ign:1 http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian stretch InRelease Hit:2 http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian stretch-updates InRelease Hit:3 http://debian.uchicago

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 06:05:41PM +, tech wrote: > > ... and why not ? > > > As an example, with a bugzilla, you dont have to dig in n*thousands of > "unread" mails,. You can organized, have a clear view with a dashboard... and > so on. > > And bugzilla is just one possibility. Are you

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 05:39:36PM +, tech wrote: >> Should'nt be time to move away from an old mail-listing to something >> more modern like a bugzilla or else ??? > > No. Do HTML archives of said mailing lists count as "more modern"? Granted, they're not "methods of c

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 05:39:36PM +, tech wrote: Should'nt be time to move away from an old mail-listing to something more modern like a bugzilla or else ??? Assuming you are talking about systems for discussion, rather than filing bugs: Debian has and has had f

Re: OT: What time is it, really?

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 7:35 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Thursday 09 August 2018 12:26:24 Martin wrote: >> Am 09.08.2018 um 18:15 schrieb Gene Heskett: >> > On Thursday 09 August 2018 11:16:27 Martin wrote: >> >> Am 09.08.2018 um 17:12 schrieb Nicolas George: >> > >> > Then I suggest you reread ma

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

On Thu, Aug 09, 2018 at 05:39:36PM +, tech wrote:  The way most people keep up to date on network news is through subscription to a number of mail reflectors (also known as  mail exploders). Mail reflectors are special electronic mailboxes wh