Re: Domain name to use on home networks

On 28/10/2023 05:48, Jeffrey Walton wrote: Yeah, just file a bug and let whomever else deal with it. Whatever text is proposed, it will be rejected in favor of what the person with check-in privileges wants. Or worse, the person with check-in privileges will torture the submitter with an

Re: PATH revisited: one PATH to "rule the [Debian] World"

to...@tuxteam.de composed on 2023-10-28 06:36 (UTC+0200): > On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 02:52:37PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 02:46:55PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> I don't think there's a need to defend the status quo: the above page >>> may not be fully incorrect,

Re: PATH revisited: one PATH to "rule the [Debian] World"

On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 02:52:37PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 02:46:55PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > I don't think there's a need to defend the status quo: the above page > > may not be fully incorrect, but it is misleading (especially since the > > `init` is given

Re: [Bookworm] collecting sensors data

On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 2:39 PM Greg wrote: > > I just noticed that there is no rrdcollect in Bookworm. What is the > "proper" way of collecting sensors readings? Also take a look at . It is available in Debian 12. Jeff

Re: PATH revisited: one PATH to "rule the [Debian] World"

On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 02:46:55PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> > https://wiki.debian.org/EnvironmentVariables > >> It needs some TLC: > >> [quote] > >> 1. At the end of booting, the mother of all processes -- init -- is > >> started. > >> 2. init runs services as described above. > >>

Re: Which Virtual Manager? Was: EASY way to install packages from trixie/sid to stable?

On 28/10/2023 02:02, The Wanderer wrote: for the case of hierarchical snapshots qemu-img(1) allows to create snapshots of disk images that are stored in the same file. In addition the "create" command has the "-b BACKING_FILE" option If the option BACKING_FILE is specified, then the

Re: [Bookworm] collecting sensors data

On 28/10/2023 01:39, Greg wrote: I just noticed that there is no rrdcollect in Bookworm. What is the "proper" way of collecting sensors readings? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1029995 : please consider removing rrdcollect. Its a tool/daemon to collect metrics from the

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 2:04 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 12:53:40PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > > The NIS stuff should be evicted from the hostname man page. > > Well... maybe? While the use of NIS hostname resolution is strongly > discouraged, it's not *forbidden*. A

Re: PATH revisited: one PATH to "rule the [Debian] World"

On 27 Oct 2023 14:52 -0400, from g...@wooledge.org (Greg Wooledge): > /sbin/init is what gets executed by the kernel, regardless of what init > system is installed. Unless, of course, one passes the kernel parameter `init=` pointing to some other executable file, such as /bin/sh. Not saying

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Re: Which Virtual Manager? Was: EASY way to install packages from trixie/sid to stable?

On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 14:46:52 + Minecraftchest1 wrote: > With Virt-Manager, you should have the option to choose an existing > disk image. It can also create a disk image for you. On which you will have to make partitions and file systems. -- Does anybody read signatures any more?

Re: [Bookworm] collecting sensors data

On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 20:39:09 +0200 Greg wrote: > I just noticed that there is no rrdcollect in Bookworm. What is the > "proper" way of collecting sensors readings? I'm not sure about proper, but sensors works for the purpose. -- Does anybody read signatures any more?

Re: Bookworm: NetworkManager

On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 8:29 PM Andy Smith wrote: > > Hi, > > On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 06:36:28PM -0400, Lee wrote: > > My understanding is that ISC no longer supports their dhcp client > > software so the isc-dhcp-client package will go away someday? > > correct? & I suspect whatever works today

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

Am 27.10.2023 um 12:09:23 Uhr schrieb gene heskett: > On 10/27/23 10:40, Marco M. wrote: > > Am 27.10.2023 um 10:37:12 Uhr schrieb gene heskett: > > > >> Its in there, for this machine, but on a reboot, the domainname > >> reverts to "none" Apparently I didn't use the approved systemd way > >>

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

On 2023-10-27 at 14:57, John Hasler wrote: > I wrote: > Greg writes: >> My Debian 12 system does not have an /etc/init.d/hostname.sh file, >> or anything else that's close to it. > > My desktop, which has been upgraded many times, does have > /etc/init.d/hostname.sh. However, a recently

Re: Which Virtual Manager? Was: EASY way to install packages from trixie/sid to stable?

On 2023-10-27 at 10:46, Minecraftchest1 wrote: > With Virt-Manager, you should have the option to choose an existing > disk image. That only helps if you've already created a disk image, which will not be the case when creating a new VM from scratch. Having to resort to the command line (or to

Re: how to bring up message and prevent user login when not connected to a particular VLAN? (was: how to force mounting an entry in fstab on boot?)

On Mon, 2023-10-23 at 19:22 +0200, Christoph Brinkhaus wrote: > Am Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 05:57:28PM +0200 schrieb hw: > > On Mon, 2023-10-23 at 17:40 +0200, hw wrote: > > > On Mon, 2023-10-23 at 16:53 +0200, Christoph Brinkhaus wrote: > > > > Am Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 04:17:11PM +0200 schrieb hw: > >

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

I wrote: > The NIS stuff should be evicted from the hostname man page. Greg writes: > Well... maybe? While the use of NIS hostname resolution is strongly > discouraged, it's not *forbidden*. A system admin might, in theory, > be using NIS to serve up hostname/IP mappings, in which case the NIS

Re: PATH revisited: one PATH to "rule the [Debian] World"

On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 02:46:55PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > I don't think there's a need to defend the status quo: the above page > may not be fully incorrect, but it is misleading (especially since the > `init` is given a monospace font, to suggest it's an actual program name > rather than

Re: PATH revisited: one PATH to "rule the [Debian] World"

>> > https://wiki.debian.org/EnvironmentVariables >> It needs some TLC: >> [quote] >> 1. At the end of booting, the mother of all processes -- init -- is started. >> 2. init runs services as described above. >> [/quote] >> >> Isn't this rather obsolete as long as systemd has been with us? > >

[Bookworm] collecting sensors data

Hi there, I just noticed that there is no rrdcollect in Bookworm. What is the "proper" way of collecting sensors readings? Thanks in advance for any help Greg

Re: Which Virtual Manager? Was: EASY way to install packages from trixie/sid to stable?

With Virt-Manager, you should have the option to choose an existing disk image. In that dialog, you can create an image in any of the pools (you can also add pools in that dialog), and that will let you change the file name and disk size. I am not ay my laptop currently, but I can take and

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Re: Domain name to use on home networks

On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 12:53:40PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > The NIS stuff should be evicted from the hostname man page. Well... maybe? While the use of NIS hostname resolution is strongly discouraged, it's not *forbidden*. A system admin might, in theory, be using NIS to serve up hostname/IP

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

The NIS stuff should be evicted from the hostname man page. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Which Virtual Manager? Was: EASY way to install packages from trixie/sid to stable?

On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 05:17:46AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2023-10-26 at 15:28, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > Apt-get install virt-manager will pull in all the associated > > qemu/KVM packages you might need. It should be at least as > > straightforward to use as Virtualbox. > > I've

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 12:46:16PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > So this is what I get now: > gene@coyote:/etc$ dnsdomainname > home.arpa > gene@coyote:/etc$ hostname > coyote.home.arpa > gene@coyote:/etc$ cat hostname > coyote > Is that correct and will it withstand a reboot? Your hostname will

Re: AW: Panic again

On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 02:52:00PM +, Schwibinger Michael wrote: > Good afternoon > > Thank You for help > > I do write here with > ### > > Hi Sophie, > > > > +++ > > I know. > > But how can I produce a bug report > > when the PC is frozen? > > > > Take an image - type out any message

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 11:23:19AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > Gene writes: > > Define NIS please. > > Network Information Service. You've never heard of it because it's > obsolete. You should ignore it. > > Originally known as

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

On 27 Oct 2023 17:02 +, from 2695bd53d...@ewoof.net (Michael Kjörling): >> HOSTNAME(1) Linux Programmer's Manual HOSTNAME(1) >> >> NAME >>hostname - show or set the system's host name >>domainname - show or set the system's NIS/YP domain name >>

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

On 27 Oct 2023 11:45 -0500, from j...@sugarbit.com (John Hasler): >> Here are the first lines of 'man domainname" : > > That doesn't help very much with no hint as to what NIS is and that it > isn't relevant to DNS. The part of the beginning of that man page which Erwan didn't quote does seem a

Re: PATH revisited: one PATH to "rule the [Debian] World"

On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 12:54:34PM -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > Tom Browder composed on 2023-10-27 09:52 (UTC-0500): > > > Tom Browder wrote: > > >> Every time I set up a new host, I have to jump through the hoops trying to > >> get the same PATH for > >> ordinary users as well as root... > > >

Re: PATH revisited: one PATH to "rule the [Debian] World"

Tom Browder composed on 2023-10-27 09:52 (UTC-0500): > Tom Browder wrote: >> Every time I set up a new host, I have to jump through the hoops trying to >> get the same PATH for >> ordinary users as well as root... > This Debian wiki doc pretty much details the information Greg has been >

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

Le 27/10/2023 à 18:45, John Hasler a écrit : Erwan writes: Here are the first lines of 'man domainname" : That doesn't help very much with no hint as to what NIS is and that it isn't relevant to DNS. it is said later in the man Don't use the command domainname to get the DNS domain name

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

On 10/27/23 12:26, gene heskett wrote: On 10/27/23 11:43, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 11:13:59AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: You saw my hosts entry in the last post, but again 192.168.71.3    coyote.home.arpa    coyote That looks fine to me. but after a reboot,

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

Erwan writes: > Here are the first lines of 'man domainname" : That doesn't help very much with no hint as to what NIS is and that it isn't relevant to DNS. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

Le 27/10/2023 à 18:30, gene heskett a écrit : On 10/27/23 11:45, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 11:25:00AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: Not a systemd luver nor expert. Someone suggested that if I was using dotted names, then I should edit (as sudo) /etc/hostname which I have now

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

On 10/27/23 11:45, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 11:25:00AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: Not a systemd luver nor expert. Someone suggested that if I was using dotted names, then I should edit (as sudo) /etc/hostname which I have now done t add the FQDN name of coyote.home.arpa.

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

On 10/27/23 11:43, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 11:13:59AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: You saw my hosts entry in the last post, but again 192.168.71.3coyote.home.arpacoyote That looks fine to me. but after a reboot, domainname returns none, and the /etc/domainname

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

Gene writes: > Define NIS please. Network Information Service. You've never heard of it because it's obsolete. You should ignore it. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

On 10/27/23 10:49, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 10:37:12AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: Its in there, for this machine, but on a reboot, the domainname reverts to "none" Apparently I didn't use the approved systemd way to change it. from a cat of /etc/hosts: 192.168.71.3

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

On 10/27/23 10:40, Marco M. wrote: Am 27.10.2023 um 10:37:12 Uhr schrieb gene heskett: Its in there, for this machine, but on a reboot, the domainname reverts to "none" Apparently I didn't use the approved systemd way to change it. from a cat of /etc/hosts: 192.168.71.3coyote.home.arpa

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

On 10/27/23 10:22, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 02:00:21PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Oct 27, 2023, at 9:05 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote: If you're using short-form hostnames like this: unicorn:~$ hostname unicorn then yeah, [/etc/hosts is] all you need. If you're using

Re: Changing host name and domain name on Debian; was: Domain nameto use on home networks

On 10/27/23 10:19, Michael Kjörling wrote: On 27 Oct 2023 09:30 -0400, from poc...@columbus.rr.com (Pocket): If you're a long form hostname person, then your hostname should be set to the FQDN of the system. You have confused me. I started to use Debian about 4 months ago because I no longer

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

On 10/27/23 10:11, Pocket wrote: Sent from my iPad On Oct 27, 2023, at 10:00 AM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 09:30:09AM -0400, Pocket wrote: Sent from my iPad On Oct 27, 2023, at 9:05 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 07:59:00AM -0400, Pocket

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 11:25:00AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > Not a systemd luver nor expert. Someone suggested that if I was using dotted > names, then I should edit (as sudo) /etc/hostname which I have now done t > add the FQDN name of coyote.home.arpa. You should undo that. There's no

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 11:13:59AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > You saw my hosts entry in the last post, but again > 192.168.71.3coyote.home.arpacoyote That looks fine to me. > but after a reboot, domainname returns none, and the /etc/domainname file ! > So I just sudo edited

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

On 10/27/23 07:59, Pocket wrote: On 10/27/23 07:50, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 07:29:20AM -0400, Pocket wrote: On 10/27/23 07:12, gene heskett wrote: I tried to change just this machine to see how its done, and managed to get all the right answers, which did not affect my

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

On 10/27/23 07:50, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 07:29:20AM -0400, Pocket wrote: On 10/27/23 07:12, gene heskett wrote: I tried to change just this machine to see how its done, and managed to get all the right answers, which did not affect my local network since I generally use

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

On 2023-10-26 09:16, Michael Kjörling wrote: On 25 Oct 2023 21:23 -0400, from monn...@iro.umontreal.ca (Stefan Monnier): If you go with the domain name home.arpa and an IPv4 subnet sliced out of one of 192.168.0.0/16, 172.12.0.0/12 or 10.0.0.0/8, you can be _almost certain_ that nothing will

Re: PATH revisited: one PATH to "rule the [Debian] World"

On Sun, Sep 24, 2023 at 9:27 AM Tom Browder wrote: > > Every time I set up a new host, I have to jump through the hoops trying to > get the same PATH for > ordinary users as well as root... This Debian wiki doc pretty much details the information Greg has been giving us:

AW: Panic again

Good afternoon Thank You for help I do write here with ### Hi Sophie, > +++ > I know. > But how can I produce a bug report > when the PC is frozen? > Take an image - type out any message you see on screen and copy it into an email here? ### What is a image and how can I copy it?

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 10:37:12AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > Its in there, for this machine, but on a reboot, the domainname reverts to > "none" Apparently I didn't use the approved systemd way to change it. > from a cat of /etc/hosts: > 192.168.71.3coyote.home.arpacoyote What

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

Am 27.10.2023 um 10:37:12 Uhr schrieb gene heskett: > Its in there, for this machine, but on a reboot, the domainname > reverts to "none" Apparently I didn't use the approved systemd way to > change it. from a cat of /etc/hosts: > 192.168.71.3coyote.home.arpacoyote That is only

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

On 10/27/23 07:29, Pocket wrote: On 10/27/23 07:12, gene heskett wrote: On 10/27/23 00:47, Stefan Monnier wrote: I would have thought that techies understand its origins, and non-techies are fairly unlikely ever to encounter it. That's the thing: if you use `home.arpa` for your home

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

On Fri 27 Oct 2023 at 07:12:48 (-0400), gene heskett wrote: > On 10/27/23 00:47, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > > I would have thought that techies understand its origins, and > > > non-techies are fairly unlikely ever to encounter it. > > > > That's the thing: if you use `home.arpa` for your home

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 02:00:21PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > On Oct 27, 2023, at 9:05 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > >>> If you're using short-form hostnames like this: > > >>> > > >>> unicorn:~$ hostname > > >>> unicorn > > >>> > > >>> then yeah, [/etc/hosts is] all you need. If

Re: Changing host name and domain name on Debian; was: Domain name to use on home networks

On 27 Oct 2023 09:30 -0400, from poc...@columbus.rr.com (Pocket): >> If you're a long form hostname person, then your hostname should be set >> to the FQDN of the system. > > You have confused me. I started to use Debian about 4 months ago > because I no longer want to build and update my custom

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

Sent from my iPadOn Oct 27, 2023, at 10:00 AM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 09:30:09AM -0400, Pocket wrote:Sent from my iPadOn Oct 27, 2023, at 9:05 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote:On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 07:59:00AM -0400, Pocket wrote:On 10/27/23 07:50, Greg Wooledge wrote:On Fri,

127.0.1.1 in /etc/hosts and dnsmasq

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Re: Domain name to use on home networks

On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 09:30:09AM -0400, Pocket wrote: > > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Oct 27, 2023, at 9:05 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 07:59:00AM -0400, Pocket wrote: > >>> On 10/27/23 07:50, Greg Wooledge wrote: > >>> On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 07:29:20AM

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

Sent from my iPad > On Oct 27, 2023, at 9:05 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 07:59:00AM -0400, Pocket wrote: >>> On 10/27/23 07:50, Greg Wooledge wrote: >>> On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 07:29:20AM -0400, Pocket wrote: /etc/hosts >>> If you're using short-form hostnames

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 07:59:00AM -0400, Pocket wrote: > On 10/27/23 07:50, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 07:29:20AM -0400, Pocket wrote: > > > /etc/hosts > > If you're using short-form hostnames like this: > > > > unicorn:~$ hostname > > unicorn > > > > then yeah, that's all

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

On 10/27/23 07:50, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 07:29:20AM -0400, Pocket wrote: On 10/27/23 07:12, gene heskett wrote: I tried to change just this machine to see how its done, and managed to get all the right answers, which did not affect my local network since I generally

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 07:29:20AM -0400, Pocket wrote: > On 10/27/23 07:12, gene heskett wrote: > > I tried to change just this machine to see how its done, and managed to > > get all the right answers, which did not affect my local network since I > > generally use the alias name for an ssh or

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

On 10/27/23 07:12, gene heskett wrote: On 10/27/23 00:47, Stefan Monnier wrote: I would have thought that techies understand its origins, and non-techies are fairly unlikely ever to encounter it. That's the thing: if you use `home.arpa` for your home network, suddenly it's exposed to

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

On 10/27/23 00:47, Stefan Monnier wrote: I would have thought that techies understand its origins, and non-techies are fairly unlikely ever to encounter it. That's the thing: if you use `home.arpa` for your home network, suddenly it's exposed to non-techies, like your friends and family,

Re: Domain name to use on home networks

On 27 Oct 2023 00:46 -0400, from monn...@iro.umontreal.ca (Stefan Monnier): >> I would have thought that techies understand its origins, and >> non-techies are fairly unlikely ever to encounter it. > > That's the thing: if you use `home.arpa` for your home network, suddenly > it's exposed to

Re: Which Virtual Manager? Was: EASY way to install packages from trixie/sid to stable?

On 2023-10-26 at 15:28, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > Apt-get install virt-manager will pull in all the associated > qemu/KVM packages you might need. It should be at least as > straightforward to use as Virtualbox. I've seen people state or suggest multiple times that virt-manager should be, as