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also why most free software projects have mailing lists, not forums.
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on the nosh web page that they can provide
nosh-systemd-services_1.7_amd64.deb, which supposedly supports nosh
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If what you did works for everybody when Jessie goes stable, you've
just singlehandedly ended this whole argument.
Not really.
Just because
On Thu, 9 Oct 2014 19:47:33 +0100
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So if you've seen some of your posts not be posted, be aware that
...
I often see debian-user messages in Gmail's spam box
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Complexity is not a simple topic. :-\
Can I quote you on that?
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Hi all,
How does one network-install Jessie? I always network-install Wheezy,
and love it that way, but I've never found a way to network-install
Jessie/Testing. Is there any way that doesn't involve installing Wheezy
and then upgrading?
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with various laptop function keys.
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Read the first 10 messages.
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[to a tech-ctte vote]. I don't think that many substantial new
arguments are going to be brought by waiting more on this topic.
And it is clear that we have reached a point where not having clear
guidance is severely hurting the project. Let me (Steve Litt)
paraphrase this: We've
On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 10:16:58 -0400 (EDT)
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On Tue, 7 Oct 2014 14:57:07 -0400 (EDT)
Rob Owens row...@ptd.net wrote:
Fortunately, I installed something that automounts my thumb drives
On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 15:24:11 -0400
Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com wrote:
On 10/06/2014 05:42 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
Personally, I think the right way to moderate a list is:
A) Tell everyone it's a moderated list
B) Send the poster a short reason why his post has been moderated.
Sure
, you're wasting my limited bandwidth. :/ Ric
Having a bad year, Ric? Every time you post, you're in a bad mood. You
know how to use procmail, why don't you just filter suject Moderated
posts?, or filter *me* out?
As a matter of fact, that just gave me an idea. Thanks!
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Five minutes ago I posted a mean, personal attack. Nobody needs that,
especially these days. So I just procmailed that particular person
to /dev/null, so I won't see his messages and respond to him.
I apologize to the list and the person I personally attacked.
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, but that's not all that simple either.
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collaborate on this article, I'll throw an extra hard disk in my
experimental box to tech edit your instructions.
This just might be good news.
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Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:
On Lu, 06 oct 14, 18:08:22, Steve Litt wrote:
Hi all,
Everyone has a different way of working, so your hotkeys will
probably be different than mine, but systemd here's a list of
Openbox functions I
On Tue, 7 Oct 2014 08:59:30 +0100
Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org wrote:
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On Tue, Oct 07, 2014 at 01:23:06AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
1) Don't respond to obvious trolls. Although obvious trolls
wasn't defined
Since there is probably some concern that an obvious troll might
On Tue, 7 Oct 2014 23:10:32 +1300
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On Tue, Oct 07, 2014 at 08:59:30AM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
Hi Steve,
On Tue, Oct 07, 2014 at 01:23:06AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
1) Don't respond to obvious trolls. Although obvious trolls
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 13:08:15 +0200
Peter Nieman gmane-a...@t-online.de wrote:
On 07/10/14 07:23, Steve Litt wrote:
These are nowhere near a verbatim repeat of what the Listmaster
said, but if these two things are what he meant, well, I can live
with that, always assuming it's enforced
with pcmanfm, on either
Ubuntu or Debian (Wheezy). Only Thunar did it, and then only on Ubuntu.
Fortunately, I installed something that automounts my thumb drives
to /media/usb0, /media/usb1, etc, so I don't need my file manager to do
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, and it was kind of like bolting a drillpress
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it's a permissions problem. You should re-try the original programs,
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Date: Monday, October 6, 2014, 4:42 PM
Hi all
Window
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* On 2014 06 Oct 16:45 -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
Hi all,
Several of my posts to lists.debian.org have not made it to the
list, as defined by both my inbox and the list archive. These posts
all had something in common
On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 17:42:14 -0400
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Several of my posts to lists.debian.org have not made it to the list,
as defined by both my inbox and the list archive.
I emailed listmas...@lists.debian.org, and although I didn't get a yes
or no answer
do this. It hurts the credibility of the entire
group who agrees with you 100% on the issues. There are enough *facts*
about systemd, Poettering, Sievers and Redhat to logically and
completely make your point.
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What do you mean by fully flat graphics? If you mean no 3D, Linux has
had that forever: Don't install Compiz, and use Xfce, LXDE, Openbox, or
a host of other desktops. Stay away from Unity :-)
On Sat, 4 Oct 2014 12:23:02 -0300
Felipe de Andrade Neves Lavratti felipe...@gmail.com wrote:
It seems
whose discussion descends to this low level.
Lisi
Yeah, go ahead. And then three more will pop up for each one you
silence.
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a recruiting tool for the anti-systemd folks.
But nooo!
What am I missing?
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(AKA workspace). Cool! I think fvwm had that
in the 20th century!
That snap feature to tile your windows actually looks pretty good.
Anyone know of an equivalent command for Openbox?
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to handle chroots, but it won't do
VMs. Too old.
LXC is worth a look.
Thanks Jonathan. I use Docker from time to time, but never knew about
LXC. If I use LXC experimentally, what's a good, simple, proof of
concept use case?
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Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi.
Hi Reco,
This is outstanding information. Thank you!
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 04:16:41PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
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Ok, ok. We all got
. So if I had an uber-Geek in the family, that's what I'd give
him or her.
I understand the benefit of using one distro and learning it in and
out, but I think in the long run that won't work for someone with a
wide variety of computing needs.
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I'm vastly misinformed, once your dom0 xen is installed, you can
now install domU hosts of any type you want, with or without systemd,
and use them to your heart's content.
Am I understanding the situation right?
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it fixed. What's the benefit of a bluetooth mouse
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On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 23:50:45 +1300
Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 09:49:10PM -0400, Steve Litt
commands.
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Me, I'm personally going to continue fresh installing, because I
enjoy the spring-cleaning aspect of it, and the fact that I'm
starting my new
guarantee you can run
any app you want.
Why don't you convert your Debian server to OpenBSD running as a guest
of xen? If you already know and use xen, you have the easiest escape
hatch in the world.
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of fact, the way things
are going, that can be said for all of Linux.
So actually, I hope I'm wrong.
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ones. LXDE
and Xfce are two of the best. I *always* have LXDE on my laptops, so
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my laptop and projector resolution matched, and easily pull up my
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your new installation, so be picky: Copy only
real data that you produced.
As you can probably tell, I'm not a big fan of major version upgrades.
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On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 18:32:38 -0400
Yes. I'm a huge believer in wiping and reinstalling major versions.
It's like spring cleaning, and I
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 12:55:32 +0200
Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de wrote:
Am Sonntag, 28. September 2014, 23:50:45 schrieb Chris Bannister:
On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 09:49:10PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 18:32:38 -0400
Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com wrote
- but not really.
Oh, the same way I could say:
I am forced to write init scripts for a package. As I recently just
did:
The difference being that the Linux *you* originally moved *to*
required init scripts. Nobody changed everything on you.
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Am Sonntag, 28. September 2014, 11:18:22 schrieb Steve Litt:
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 11:02:35 +0200
Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de wrote:
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 14:51:01 schrieb Miles Fidelman
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 18:10:52 -0500
green greenfreedo...@gmail.com wrote:
Jonathan Dowland wrote at 2014-09-28 13:05 -0500:
The more and more I read people objecting to the modularity of
systemd, the more I am reminded of the Tanenbaum/Torvalds debate re
microkernels.
It does seem to be
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street, not looking for a way out.
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money, their response is that we're just like the guy threatening
lawsuits. Don't worry, it'll blow over.
And for every one of us that gets silenced, three more pop up.
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difficulties
installing some tarball be construed as Debian imposing anything on
upstreams?
Dependencies, or perhaps in the era of systemd, dependencies factorial,
make it just as hard to ./configure;make/make install as they do to
apt-get install.
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sysvinit.
Let's wait for a good alternative, and in the meantime keep sysvinit
is a lot different than let's keep sysvinit (indefinitely).
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brings about.
[…]
Fedora does already depend on systemd --- and I would say
completely. Or do you see a choice here?
And exactly *how* is this relevant to Debian?
Well, for one thing, it was one reason the DDs used to select systemd.
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Martin Read zen75...@zen.co.uk wrote:
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Let's wait for a good alternative, and in the meantime keep
sysvinit is a lot different than let's keep sysvinit
(indefinitely).
Voting let's keep sysvinit *in jessie* says
On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 18:08:42 +0200
Paul van der Vlis p...@vandervlis.nl wrote:
op 25-09-14 17:30, Steve Litt schreef:
On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 13:04:59 +0200
Paul van der Vlis p...@vandervlis.nl wrote:
Hello,
I am using Wheezy, and on some machines I see messages from
starting services
for slitt, no password.
There's probably a right way to fix it, but I haven't found it yet,
so I just work around the problem.
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other than modes that were used by the old one. When that went well,
they could have added a few features, on and on, and everyone would
have been happy.
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is. But it's
written in Python, managed by daemontools, so it's pretty easy to
modify to one's own needs.
If you really get desparate and this is the only option you have left,
let me know and I'll slap an Expat licence on it and give it to you.
HTH, sure it doesn't :-)
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Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org wrote:
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 12:58:26PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
True, it's a single point of failure, but it's made by GNU, whose
agenda is less harmful to Linux than the agenda of Redhat.
I nearly choked on my coffee
to judgement and B) the choices encompassed only systemd and
two not so good choices.
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I just finished writing a daemontools intro here:
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Hi.
On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 12:33:35PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
Look at it this way: If GNU wanted to stick stuff into their
compiler to reduce the utility of Linux, they would have done so
years ago. They never have
On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 10:19:55 +0300
Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:
On Ma, 23 sep 14, 19:48:38, Steve Litt wrote:
On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 21:10:22 +0100
Jonathan de Boyne Pollard j.deboynepollard-newsgro...@ntlworld.com
wrote:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com
:~$
==
Does anyone know if there's an fix for Debian's bash, and how to install
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bash: error importing function definition for `x'
this is a test
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but relatively unknown software
such as daemontools
I *really* wish I'd evangelized daemontools on this list before the
majority of the systemd conversation occurred. Daemontools is much,
much more than a substitute for any init.
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Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org wrote:
Dear Steve,
On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 07:57:37PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
Funtoo is most famous for a permanent ban on systemd.
As interesting as your OS experiments are, I do wonder whether
debian-user
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Blogging *is* a good idea. I'll consider that. Thanks.
Please lose those broad aquamarine borders if you blog. They're
butt-ugly.
What would be a good
no such definition
that CLI user identification must interact with part of PID 1's
package, nor that a GUI program know the intimate details of PID 1.
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much stuff I could still install after doing that. Interesting
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, perhaps it's about time those who railroaded this atrocity
through *do* walk off. Going along with linkage between a GUI desktop
and PID 1? Really? How Macintosh!
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. He used Debian because
he _did_ like it, not because he didn't.
Lisi
And I'm sure Jerry likes Debian too. As it existed before systemd.
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systemd refugees would be newbies.
I'm going to continue working with Funtoo, and also trying PC-BSD in
the next several days. I'll let you know.
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of PID 1. But
don't take my word for it, and don't believe my one paragraph filter of
the information, read it yourself. Seriously, it's an eye opener.
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a much higher hassle level to continue using a
modular, sane and POSIX operating system.
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On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:57:36 -0400
Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote:
On 9/21/2014 11:41 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
On Sun, 21 Sep 2014 11:31:57 -0400
Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote:
I haven't said much until now, but I have followed the subject in
depth the whole time
little fvwm documentation, every time I try
to use fvwm things go wrong fast.
I'm pretty sure that fvwm is native on OpenBSD, and some small Linux
distros.
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changed. Whatever happened to it's ready when
it's ready?
http://troubleshooters.com/tpromag/199906/_debian.htm
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experience a slowdown.
The process on top of the list is the one which's causing all this
mess on your PC (most probably, as there may be several of them).
Very nice!
Thanks for the tip.
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I wouldn't want to speculate before using htop and iotop, but for many
of the years I used Kmail (and therefore the KDE libraries), I
regularly had dbus-daemon instances go rogue and eat up 98% of the
processor. It got so bad that I made a daemon to go out every 5
seconds, find any dbus-daemon
of writes.
Many times, this fragmentation can be corrected. See this:
https://sites.google.com/site/lightrush/random-1/howtoconfigureext4toenabletrimforssdsonubuntu
HTH,
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personally need to do what's necessary
to run it at boot.
Thanks,
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On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 22:40:58 +0100
Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org wrote:
On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 04:02:44PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
Hi all,
Right now I have the following at the bottom of my /etc/rc.local in
Wheezy:
csh -cf '/command/svscanboot '
How would I accomplish
On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 09:45:30 +0900
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On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 21:08:45 +0400
Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote:
4) Why re-implementing systemd? Writing your own init is much more
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