and anti-virus filters. And, you'll need a webserver for access to
> various administrative functions, and archive access. Depending on
> the list server, you might also require a dbms. Setting up list
> services can be an entertaining and educational exercise (also
> frustrating), but it's not simple. (Actually, the simplest approach
> is using an MTA and managing lists in the alias file.)
There's no technical problem to using a local MTA and your ISP's SMTP
server as a proxy.
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On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 17:56:30 +0100
mick crane wrote:
>
>
> It's not very PC but disqus seems to work
>
....sometimes.
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around, just in case...
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liners). If I had attempted to use bash, I would have expected to use
> an explicit pipe command between 'find' and 'grep'.
>
Have you looked at 'zenity' for (somewhat) graphicising scripts? Not
quite the full GUI experience, but quick and dirty.
https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/make-your-scripts-user-friendly-zenity
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ketch of a solution to
> your concrete example.
>
> Since you don't even try to make reference to *any* of the numerous
> proposals flung around here, I'm at a loss on how to help you.
>
> For now, I'll just give up, sorry.
I took it to mean that he wants a GUI tool.
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ology for my communications and record-keeping. My
only real concern is that the CIA et al seem to be remarkably poor at
keeping their eavesdropping tools to themselves.
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user can not read those.
> >
> > ls -l /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
> > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7224 jun 2 10:01 /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
Surely apache2 starts up as root, in order to obtain port 80, and then
drops privilege to www-data? It must read the configuration files while
root, or else it wouldn't know which port(s) it should request.
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for at
least twenty years. It is unsafe to assume that all Debian *users* are
professional C programmers.
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identifies the command used to start the
> application.
>
Also check if you have 'Main Menu' in the Settings submenu of the main
desktop menu. If you don't, it's provided by the alacarte package,
which has some Gnome dependencies but makes messing about with menus
much easier. I've never thought it reasonable to expect a graphical
desktop user to muck about finding and editing XML dotfiles to make
simple menu changes.
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thod of Synaptic is dist-upgrade, and failing
to use dist-upgrade at least some of the time will leave unstable or
testing out of date, only partially upgraded.
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 14:39:41 +0100
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 08:21:55PM +0100, Joe wrote:
> >And there you have the problem: it would be necessary for the
> >installation of certain packages (e.g. MTA) to automatically poke
> >holes in the firewall.
have to
encompass all possible use-cases, including multiple NICs and multiple
VPN arrangements. Any volunteers?
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> > would be helpful.
>
> The ordinary user's eyes would glaze over. The installation process is
> ok as it is.
>
There are firewall applications which can produce fairly sensible
defaults painlessly, towards which a hint might be made. If you need
more control, learn iptables early, you will eventually anyway.
--
Joe
ago, and
completely failing to fix it, so I changed the launch to gksudo
synaptic, and it's still that way today.
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n be uniquely paired
by connection tracking.
There is provision in the PPTP protocol for multiple GRE connections to
be handled by one TCP/1723 control channel, but I'm not aware that this
has ever been implemented. That would still be a server-to-server
protocol, not a multiple-workstation-to-server one.
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2018 10:38:52 +0200
Pascal Hambourg wrote:
> Le 22/09/2018 à 09:39, Joe a écrit :
> >
> > Two layers of NAT work just fine, for anything but IPSec.
>
> 1) Even one single layer of NAT can cause trouble with other
> applications that IPSec : FTP, SIP
well enough and i'm glad
> i don't have to relearn the terminology and rules for iptables.
>
> i'm sure a much better solution is to run a separate router
> as it's own layer of firewall may keep a lot of stuff out,
> but as of yet i'm just not under attack enough to make it
> worth it.
>
Better to do both. Two layers of NAT work just fine, for anything but
IPSec.
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ely, I also keep nemo installed and
moved on with barely any fuss... I like nautilus, but it does have its
moments.
I later discovered the issue for myself on the Net.
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. Failed To Build From Source is another one that doesn't worry me,
because I don't.
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Joe
t a package I use often, but even
> so, I've never seen the behaviour you're experiencing.
>
When in doubt, blame GTK. I have (in sid) had what are almost certainly
GTK problems that seem to have affected just one application at a time
and been unique to me.
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On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:03:36 +0100
Brian wrote:
> On Thu 13 Sep 2018 at 20:48:35 +0100, Joe wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 19:47:01 +0200
> > deloptes wrote:
> >
> > > Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > >
> > > > For screen reader users
e it a fix. Do we know that other usb audio
> devices suffer the same?
>
I've submitted a bug report.
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On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 09:12:33 +0100
Joe wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 08:36:20 +0200
> deloptes wrote:
>
> > Then I looked
> > at /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf file. I noticed the following at
> > end of file.
> >
> > # Keep snd-usb-audi
On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 08:36:20 +0200
deloptes wrote:
> Joe wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 08:23:58 +0200
> > deloptes wrote:
>
> I also found this
> http://karuppuswamy.com/wordpress/2010/10/04/how-to-get-usb-sound-adapter-0d8c000c-working-as-primary-sound-card-in
cond or two during the gathering of data:
pcilib: sysfs_read_vpd: read failed: input/output error
but I'm not sure that is relevant. There is a long list of card
capabilities produced, so there's communication going on.
--
Joe
Pétùr writes:
> Le 11/09/2018 à 19:34, Martin a écrit :
>>
>> don't get crazy about FS corruption. There is no sign this is the
>> case so far. Date and UID's are odd, but valid within ext4. Remove
>> the immutable flag (chattr -i), you will be able to alter the files
>> as you like.
>>
>> One hi
"Thomas Schmitt" writes:
>
> Something trampled the parent directory or its attached data structures.
It appears to be the two inodes, not the parent directory, that got
trampled.
On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 08:23:58 +0200
deloptes wrote:
> Joe wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 22:54:26 +0200
>
> >
> > OK, aplay -l as root sees my USB device as card 1.
>
> why as root - are you in the audio group?
No users in audio yet apart from the or
On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 22:50:30 +0100
Joe wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 23:26:56 +0200
> arne wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 22:49:34 +0200
> > deloptes wrote:
> >
> > > Joe wrote:
> > >
> > > > alsamixer
> > > >
&g
On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 22:54:26 +0200
wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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>
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 09:33:30PM +0100, Joe wrote:
> > On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 16:22:38 -0400
> > Greg Wooledge wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, Sep
On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 23:26:56 +0200
arne wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 22:49:34 +0200
> deloptes wrote:
>
> > Joe wrote:
> >
> > > alsamixer
> > >
> > > cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
> > >
> > > I always used
On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 16:22:38 -0400
Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 09:19:09PM +0100, Joe wrote:
> >
> > There's no alsa-base in Stretch.
> >
> > Should there be some other way of producing sounds?
>
> If you're looking for alsam
There's no alsa-base in Stretch.
Should there be some other way of producing sounds?
--
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obsolete drive into an old
machine to boot it for the last few times, and found that it insists on
calling the two ethernets eth2 and eth3, instead of 0 and 1 as in the
previous hardware. Yes, I know why, it's just a nuisance.
--
Joe
On Sun, 2 Sep 2018 17:14:02 +0200
Nicolas George wrote:
>
> This list is about using Debian.
It's called 'debian-user'. Which of the contributors are you suggesting
are not Debian users?
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On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 13:35:35 - (UTC)
Dan Purgert wrote:
> Joe wrote:
> > On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 09:49:06 - (UTC)
> > Dan Purgert wrote:
> >> Isn't that what Facebook, et. al. already do? It's AOL all over
> >> again.
> > Not quite yet. I
On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 09:49:06 - (UTC)
Dan Purgert wrote:
> Joe wrote:
> > On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 12:24:42 -0500
> > John Hasler wrote:
> >
> >> tomás writes:
> >> > Well, I've succeeded already with a few people moving from
> >&g
int where the majority dictates what Internet
facilities the rest may use, we've lost all the ground there is.
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o happen, half the businesses
on the planet will lose their email (and indeed all their documents
and their office applications). We've already seen a number of lesser
failures that shouldn't have been possible, entire airlines and banks
shut down for a day or two because their systems were centralised and
fragile.
--
Joe
On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 08:27:41 -0400
Michael Stone wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 01:02:21PM +0100, Joe wrote:
> >No, very occasionally, a proposed change is a clear improvement.
> >Usually it's just about altering the distribution of income.
>
> Rather, in my experi
rsonally, I'd run two instances of
sshd, it's pretty lightweight, and that would (probably) eliminate
potential obscure bugs where the authors hadn't expected anyone to want
to do this.
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Joe
>
> So, we need to replace HTTP then? Got it. :)
>
>
No. We start with CSS...
--
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On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 13:58:03 +0200
wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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>
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 12:55:46PM +0100, Joe wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > Change, when it is obviously for the worse, and even just when it's
> > not obviou
ple do--and take the content with them.
>
> [...]
>
> I'll carry the "luddite" as an honour badge, then.
>
Change, when it is obviously for the worse, and even just when it's not
obviously for the better, should be resisted.
--
Joe
What's tripping you up is that some processing is being done by the
shell before grep ever sees your pattern. Taking that into account,
what grep is seeing is:
songbird writes:
> me@ant(25)$ env | grep -F "-g"
grep -F -g
> grep: invalid option -- 'g'
> Usage: grep [OPTION]... PATTERN [FILE]...
Long Wind writes:
> i install memtest86+ of stretch to test memory
> i don't see any error msg, but after a few minutes, it shutdown my PC
>
> does that mean my memory is bad?
> i read manual of memtest86+, can't find explaination
I see other people have mentioned possible temperature issues, so
Access (by far the best
software MS has ever produced) clone, but I can't see it happening now.
It never got good enough to get enough users to justify the effort to
make it good enough...
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Joe
it can talk to MySQL directly now rather than using the
even less functional ODBC.
You and I must be two of about three people in the world using Base,
because there's no sense of urgency there. I'm doing pretty much all my
database work in PHP now.
--
Joe
uys, but on the inside I'm
> just as grumpy, err, I mean "opinionated"!
>
It is perfectly possible to be grumpy before you have even learned to
speak.
--
Joe
Gene Heskett writes:
> On Thursday 16 August 2018 18:46:26 Brian wrote:
>
>> On Thu 16 Aug 2018 at 18:36:52 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>
>> [Almost everything snipped - for obvious reasons.]
>>
>> > Someone who is an actual member of the organization will probably
>> > clarify it further, but I
en booted to Linux, and I find it
useful in dealing with assorted wifi and VPN situations. These days, it
Just Works, at least for me. But I would never allow it onto a server
or even a fixed workstation, nothing must ever change then, and a means
of configuration using a fixed text file cannot be beaten.
--
Joe
On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 07:28:20 -0500
Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 08/13/2018 06:59 AM, Joe wrote:
> > On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 06:47:02 -0500
> > Richard Owlett wrote:
> >
> >> PREAMBLE:
> >> I've downloaded a .deb file.
> >> I've recently do
First hit:
https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/159094/how-to-install-a-deb-file-by-dpkg-i-or-by-apt
--
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On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 11:24:18 +0200
Nemeth Gyorgy wrote:
> 2018-08-09 11:10 keltezéssel, Joe írta:
> > You are fortunate. I went though a period where the assignments for
> > sound card 0 and 1 would randomly flip, every few weeks or months. I
> > didn't find whatever
On Thu, 09 Aug 2018 08:14:44 +0200
deloptes wrote:
> Joe wrote:
>
> > Having said that, I don't think I've had more sound problems with my
> > sid workstations than with my stable server. Sound is generally a
> > pig on Linux, as the software base seems to cha
with my
sid workstations than with my stable server. Sound is generally a pig
on Linux, as the software base seems to change every few years, and
until recently, multiple sound cards had the same problem as multiple
NICs in that the OS couldn't seem to identify them reliably. I've
solved most of my sound problems by getting brutal and actually ripping
out and blacklisting drivers for the sound devices I'm not using.
Nothing less seemed to permanently solve the identity crisis.
--
Joe
Martin writes:
> [...]
>>>
>>> is new to me, I never knew! And I think it is good approach.
>>> Does one actually get pointed to this during install?
>>
>> ┌───┤ [?] Set up users and passwords
>> ├┐
>> │
On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 12:11:50 +0100
Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 07, 2018 at 11:40:29AM +0100, Joe wrote:
> >Why, I don't know, but the last time I installed stable, sudo was not
> >installed by default, and never has been in my experience. I always
> >add sudo a
w I don't recall the details offhand, but there are some things sudo
cannot do, I think involving file permissions. The only time I use su
is when sudo doesn't do the job, which may be about once a year.
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e default gateway. To disable this behaviour, there
is a tick box somewhere in IP properties of the VPN connection, I think.
--
Joe
got no networking, even after a netinstall. It bit me
around the time of etch or lenny. I've no idea if it's still true today.
--
Joe
one web browser, only one email client, etc? Only one operating system?
--
Joe
ckage that is
beyond the abilities of the apt tools, dpkg is less intelligent and
usually brutal enough to remove it. Horses for courses...
--
Joe
> >> operating system.
"I'm not paying you to support my operating system, I'm paying you for
a functional Internet connection."
Having said all that, I've often lost contact with an ssh server, but
never seen this kind of error, just a 'timed out' message.
--
Joe
reconed...
I presume nothing has changed...
--
Joe
r similar.
If we're still on the nostalgia kick, I remember using an ARM assembler
in 1989. Nothing whatever like a CISC instruction set, it was more like
that of the Nova and other 70s minis, for exactly the same reasons. I
particularly recall writing a colour-based cellular automaton.
--
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ppears to be one of slow network startup. It's still not
completely clear what software is actually setting the IP address on
your server. Being a server, the IP address should be statically set,
not picking up DHCP, and there should be no real need for Network
Manager, if you have that installed. Until we get to the bottom of
this, there will be no progress.
--
Joe
t;The 8-bit guy" YouTube
> video, I been wanting to toy around with those things.
>
Wait till you've had a bit of practice with them before you try writing
a driver for a new LCD display. The documentation for them is skimpy,
and you may need to guess a bit. I've made a few for the PIC 18F
series, which is comparable to this Atmel series.
> I am thinking this is going to be quite an interesting and fun hobby.
>
Certainly. My only work with the Arduino was using one as a graphics
co-processor for a PIC project to drive a 320x240 touch screen for a
camera control panel. There was a suitable Arduino library but not one
for the PIC, and time was in short supply. One drawback to the Arduino
here is that it doesn't have a lot of memory, so the screen fonts were
a bit chunky.
--
Joe
might be better looking at the Raspberry Pi (Pi for Python) and the
subsequent similar devices. More expensive than the Arduino, but still
pretty cheap. The Pi runs more than one OS, but the Raspbian version of
Debian is probably most widely-used. The Pi also has a great many
interface devices available, and Python is the expected scripting
language.
--
Joe
did a couple of LFS builds about fifteen or twenty
years ago, fairly early in its life, and learned a fair bit in the
process.
--
Joe
se has stolen port 80? Apache
doesn't like that.
I have a very dim memory of this happening to me long ago, though I
can't remember what the offending item was. Just on the offchance, check
whether 80 is in use.
--
Joe
interface, and now needs
the use of the command line for many common functions. If the OP was
familiar with an old Exchange, he may have some re-learning to do.
--
Joe
--
Joe
ing lists. I would suspect actually re-creating Debian will give
rise to problems that the LFS people won't be able to help with very
much. You may also end up with a Debian that isn't quite standard, and
may have maintenance problems.
--
Joe
Ken Heard writes:
> Does Debian have a calculator package which has the equivalent of the
> tape produced by mechanical machines to show the entire calculation.
> I find such "tapes" essential when for example I am adding a long list
> of numbers and need to check after the addition is done to ve
of numbers and need to check after the addition is done to
> verify that all the numbers were entered correctly.
>
> Regards, Ken
>
I use a spreadsheet for this.
--
Joe
Doug writes:
> On 07/10/2018 10:59 PM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
>> Dennis Wicks writes:
>>
>>> Greetings;
>>>
>>> I want to set up a VPN for several computers in my house
>>> that are all on a local network.
>>>
>>> And suggestion
On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 16:09:47 -0400
Doug wrote:
> On 07/10/2018 10:59 PM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> > Dennis Wicks writes:
> >
> >> Greetings;
> >>
> >> I want to set up a VPN for several computers in my house
> >> that are all on a local
miliar system, and a
good idea to do so before the version upgrade.
So, no, you don't have to, but yes, it is recommended.
--
Joe
Dennis Wicks writes:
> Greetings;
>
> I want to set up a VPN for several computers in my house
> that are all on a local network.
>
> And suggestions, hints, warnings?
Your question as stated doesn't really explain why you want a VPN, and
what you're planning to do with it. All you've mentioned
stable
has to be kept in a condition where it can be copied into testing after
the release occurs, so changes to unstable have to be kept within
limits. All hell breaks loose at release time...
--
Joe
On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 14:14:11 +1000
Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 05:27:44PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> > On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 20:32:03 +0100
> > Joe wrote:
> >
> > > On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 11:24:59 -0400
> > > Dan Ritter wrote:
>
y it is
leaving orphaned inodes, so I'm not experimenting too much.
Years ago, I used to spend time fixing it, but after a while I realised
it would only break again a month later, so I've stopped bothering.
I've yet to see a laptop/netbook screen backlight come on again after
suspend...
--
Joe
or message.
>
> Does anyone else have the same problem ?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Thierry
>
No. 2.10 behaves differently, and I find the toolbox much harder to
use, as I only use GIMP occasionally, but it's working. My sid is up to
date, but of course will be very different from your sid.
--
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or locally-compiled
package, and there will be a few people who have almost tamed a
frankendebian.
If your application depends on a particular version of a *package*,
then it makes sense to enquire which version of that package is
installed, not which version of Debian is running.
--
Joe
he order of 50MB,
usually dozens of packages. Testing is a bit more stable, but
outside the freeze, basically follows unstable with about ten days'
delay for a given package. In that context, what can 'release number'
mean? It can only make sense for stable.
--
Joe
ying, I needed to reconfigure several network machines to
work with this router, and lost my detailed firewall control.
--
Joe
kind, then that application itself is surely the main method of
manipulating the DBMS. You need very little extra administration,
particularly in Debian where databases, users and privileges are
generally set up automagically. This is why I'm not particularly fluent
with the mariadb command line: I might use it two or three times a
year, and I always have to read up on it again when I do.
--
Joe
On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 12:05:25 -0500
David Wright wrote:
> On Mon 02 Jul 2018 at 10:20:00 (+0100), Joe wrote:
> > On Sun, 1 Jul 2018 18:04:15 -0500
> > David Wright wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun 01 Jul 2018 at 21:36:00 (+0100), Joe wrote:
> > > > On Sun, 0
On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 09:55:48 + (UTC)
Curt wrote:
> On 2018-07-02, Joe wrote:
> > On Sun, 1 Jul 2018 17:43:02 -0500
> > David Wright wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Why? If you find the cause, you can fix it. Upgrades are careful
> &
On Sun, 1 Jul 2018 18:04:15 -0500
David Wright wrote:
> On Sun 01 Jul 2018 at 21:36:00 (+0100), Joe wrote:
> > On Sun, 01 Jul 2018 22:21:11 +0200
> > deloptes wrote:
> >
> > > Cousin Stanley wrote:
> > >
> > > > As an alternative to cli
pgraded with
some significant difficulty to jessie, tried the next step to stretch
and abandoned it. I believe there will be less work in a new install,
which I'm now probably about a week into, with another week to go.
Back in the days of etch, it was an hour or two. Not any more.
--
Joe
the single file is vulnerable to network issues. Basically the same
limitations as MS Access when used as a single-file database. Sqlite is
the right answer for most single-user non-network applications, but
not for anything more demanding. Horses for courses, as ever.
--
Joe
On Sun, 1 Jul 2018 10:57:53 +0300
"Michelle Konzack" wrote:
> Hi Joe,
>
> I know, I am a little bit late, but I use Squirrelmail since more
> then 15 years now and had no problems from Woody to Stretch with it.
>
> I use it even to access my GMail account :-)
On Sun, 1 Jul 2018 11:22:14 +0300
"Michelle Konzack" wrote:
> Am DATE hackte AUTHOR in die Tasten: Joe
> > No, stretch doesn't have php5. I've already had to go through loads
> > of php, replacing stuff which has been deprecated for a while and
> &
nternet? Probably one of those three-inch books,
then. This link (again) will get you a PDF or zipped HTML, on the left
of the web page, near the top:
https://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql-getting-started/en/
Here:
https://downloads.mysql.com/docs/refman-5.7-en.pdf
is the full reference manual, when you're ready for it.
--
Joe
On Sat, 30 Jun 2018 06:55:56 -0500
Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 06/29/2018 01:23 PM, Joe wrote:
> > So start
> > learning now, such as how to login, how to reset the root
> > password,
>
> How? Haven't found relevant document(s).
>
Here's a couple to b
On Sat, 30 Jun 2018 09:41:01 +0100
mick crane wrote:
> On 2018-06-30 08:42, Joe wrote:
> > On Sat, 30 Jun 2018 08:25:41 +0100
> > mick crane wrote:
> >
> >> On 2018-06-29 21:04, Joe wrote:
> >> > Anyone know of a webmail that works on stre
On Sat, 30 Jun 2018 09:56:50 +0100
mick crane wrote:
> On 2018-06-30 08:42, Joe wrote:
> > On Sat, 30 Jun 2018 08:25:41 +0100
> > mick crane wrote:
> >
> >> On 2018-06-29 21:04, Joe wrote:
> >> > Anyone know of a webmail that works on stre
On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 23:59:50 +0200
Dominik George wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 09:04:16PM +0100, Joe wrote:
> > Anyone know of a webmail that works on stretch?
> >
> > I've just spent half an afternoon trying first roundcube then
> > praye
On Sat, 30 Jun 2018 08:25:41 +0100
mick crane wrote:
> On 2018-06-29 21:04, Joe wrote:
> > Anyone know of a webmail that works on stretch?
> >
> > I've just spent half an afternoon trying first roundcube then
> > prayer.
>
> been using dovecot, roundcub
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