Re: [OT] Hard Drive Energy Not Worth Conserving drives?

2011-01-16 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Du, 16 ian 11, 18:48:17, Andrew McGlashan wrote: Now, when will stable release have a 2.6.37 kernel? Squeeze will release with 2.6.32. However, 2.6.37 is already available in experimental and it (or a higher version) will eventually reach testing and from there squeeze-backports. I would

Re: [OT] Hard Drive Energy Not Worth Conserving drives?

2011-01-16 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 18:48:17 +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote: (...) Now, when will stable release have a 2.6.37 kernel? And are all those changes non-free -- so to be included in supported versions of Debian? AFAIK, Gparted has support for 4,096 bytes sector size hdd since moths... But why

Re: [OT] Hard Drive Energy Not Worth Conserving drives?

2011-01-16 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Hi, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Du, 16 ian 11, 18:48:17, Andrew McGlashan wrote: Now, when will stable release have a 2.6.37 kernel? Squeeze will release with 2.6.32. However, 2.6.37 is already available in experimental and it (or a higher version) will eventually reach testing and from there

Re: [OT] Hard Drive Energy Not Worth Conserving drives?

2011-01-16 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Du, 16 ian 11, 22:55:13, Andrew McGlashan wrote: What I mean is, the kernel changes to add broadcom and other firmware ... will those parts be non-free or will they remain as extras required as they are now. I did an install using squeeze rc1 and without using media with non-free

Re: [OT] Hard Drive Energy Not Worth Conserving drives?

2011-01-15 Thread Stefan Monnier
Read the ATA and SCSI specifications. Or ask on either mailing list. In short, the drive presents its LBA addressing based on 512B sectors. The kernel can't choose to ignore that--it's stuck with it. Since the drive is presenting LBA based on 512B sectors, there is no way the kernel can

Re: [OT] Hard Drive Energy Not Worth Conserving drives?

2011-01-15 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Hi, Stefan Monnier wrote: Read the ATA and SCSI specifications. Or ask on either mailing list. In short, the drive presents its LBA addressing based on 512B sectors. The kernel can't choose to ignore that--it's stuck with it. Since the drive is presenting LBA based on 512B sectors, there is

Re: [OT] Hard Drive Energy Not Worth Conserving drives?

2011-01-12 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Stefan Monnier put forth on 1/11/2011 10:28 PM: Isn't it rather than the kernel chooses to only use the logical sector size? Where/when does the drive report 512B physical sector sizes? Read the ATA and SCSI specifications. Or ask on either mailing list. In short, the drive presents its

Re: [OT] Hard Drive Energy Not Worth Conserving drives?

2011-01-12 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Stan Hoeppner put forth on 1/12/2011 12:12 PM: The number of bits of ECC required per 4KB sector is significantly less than that occupied by the 4 ECC segments of four 512 byte sectors. This is the ONLY This should read 8^ not 4. -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: [OT] Hard Drive Energy Not Worth Conserving drives?

2011-01-11 Thread Jochen Schulz
teddi...@tmo.blackberry.net: I think what we mainly should take from all this is Western Digital sucks and we should never buy their crap... Yeah, we should rush out and buy Samsung drives with their faulty firmware which forgets write operations if one sends the wrong IDE command at the

Re: [OT] Hard Drive Energy Not Worth Conserving drives?

2011-01-11 Thread Stan Hoeppner
teddi...@tmo.blackberry.net put forth on 1/10/2011 11:29 PM: I think what we mainly should take from all this is Western Digital sucks and we should never buy their crap... I know there are some who will disagree with this, so no flames needed... Not a flame at all here. Totally agree

Re: [OT] Hard Drive Energy Not Worth Conserving drives?

2011-01-11 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Robert Holtzman put forth on 1/11/2011 1:44 AM: On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 04:44:13AM -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Interesting advice Bob. Practice it. I did. Read your post again, especially the part that says This is because of your liberal political leanings Yes. I called black black.

Re: [OT] Hard Drive Energy Not Worth Conserving drives?

2011-01-11 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Jochen Schulz put forth on 1/11/2011 3:19 AM: And those pesky 4k blocks will never take hold. 512 bytes were a good idea in the 1950s, so what's wrong with it now!? 4KB blocks are great. Too bad these drives report 512B blocks to the kernel, which is what causes the problem. Advanced format

Re: [OT] Hard Drive Energy Not Worth Conserving drives?

2011-01-11 Thread Jochen Schulz
Stan Hoeppner: Jochen Schulz put forth on 1/11/2011 3:19 AM: And those pesky 4k blocks will never take hold. 512 bytes were a good idea in the 1950s, so what's wrong with it now!? 4KB blocks are great. Too bad these drives report 512B blocks to the kernel, which is what causes the

Re: [OT] Hard Drive Energy Not Worth Conserving drives?

2011-01-11 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Jochen Schulz put forth on 1/11/2011 12:58 PM: Stan Hoeppner: Jochen Schulz put forth on 1/11/2011 3:19 AM: And those pesky 4k blocks will never take hold. 512 bytes were a good idea in the 1950s, so what's wrong with it now!? 4KB blocks are great. Too bad these drives report 512B blocks

Re: [OT] Hard Drive Energy Not Worth Conserving drives?

2011-01-11 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 10:47:01AM -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Robert Holtzman put forth on 1/11/2011 1:44 AM: On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 04:44:13AM -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Interesting advice Bob. Practice it. I did. Read your post again, especially the part that says This is

Re: [OT] Hard Drive Energy Not Worth Conserving drives?

2011-01-11 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Robert Holtzman put forth on 1/11/2011 5:45 PM: I said this was the end of the OT wrangling and I meant it. If that's the case, then why did you respond again? And why are you responding yet again, to this? -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a

Re: [OT] Hard Drive Energy Not Worth Conserving drives?

2011-01-11 Thread Stefan Monnier
# hdparm -I /dev/sdc | grep Sector size Logical Sector size: 512 bytes Physical Sector size: 4096 bytes This is reported by the drive to hdparm. Only the 512 is used by the kernel. It has no knowledge of the 4KB physical block size and can't use it

Re: [OT] Hard Drive Energy Not Worth Conserving drives?

2011-01-10 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Robert Holtzman put forth on 1/9/2011 7:00 PM: On Sun, Jan 09, 2011 at 03:37:41PM -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote: This is because of your liberal political leanings, which have no place here. This is a technical discussion list, so keep it technical. I was with you right up until that last

Re: [OT] Hard Drive Energy Not Worth Conserving drives?

2011-01-10 Thread teddieeb
I think what we mainly should take from all this is Western Digital sucks and we should never buy their crap... I know there are some who will disagree with this, so no flames needed... TeddyB -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe.

Re: [OT] Hard Drive Energy Not Worth Conserving drives?

2011-01-10 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 04:44:13AM -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Robert Holtzman put forth on 1/9/2011 7:00 PM: On Sun, Jan 09, 2011 at 03:37:41PM -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote: This is because of your liberal political leanings, which have no place here. This is a technical discussion list,

Re: [OT] Hard Drive Energy Not Worth Conserving drives?

2011-01-09 Thread Phil Requirements
On 2011-01-09 08:02:05 -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote: If one is so power consumption conscious to be suckered into a Green (EARS) drive, then one needs to realize the CPU dissipates about 10 times the wattage/heat of a hard drive. Thus, concentrate your power saving efforts elsewhere than the

Re: [OT] Hard Drive Energy Not Worth Conserving drives?

2011-01-09 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Phil Requirements put forth on 1/9/2011 12:48 PM: On 2011-01-09 08:02:05 -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote: If one is so power consumption conscious to be suckered into a Green (EARS) drive, then one needs to realize the CPU dissipates about 10 times the wattage/heat of a hard drive. Thus,

Re: [OT] Hard Drive Energy Not Worth Conserving drives?

2011-01-09 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Sun, Jan 09, 2011 at 03:37:41PM -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote: This is because of your liberal political leanings, which have no place here. This is a technical discussion list, so keep it technical. I was with you right up until that last sentence. You people always wind up framing every

Re: [OT] Hard Drive Energy Not Worth Conserving drives?

2011-01-09 Thread Lisi
On Sunday 09 January 2011 21:37:41 Stan Hoeppner wrote: I'm sure your grandmother has told you at least once, Save your dollars and the pennies take care of themselves.  Save thing.  It was good advice when she gave it to you, and it's good advice today. Here in the UK we have a saying which