On Thursday 09 August 2012 19:54:32 Joe wrote:
> Knoppix hasn't come on a CD for a long time (I have a copy of one of
> the last CD versions, and it fixed a grub problem when nothing else
> would) but even on DVD, it has used LXDE for a year or two.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en-GB&as_q=kno
On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 21:00:30 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Du, 12 aug 12, 15:08:02, Camaleón wrote:
>>
>> And for -boot and -cd, I can't see a strong reason to follow them,
>> given that I have no direct relation with those projects (I'm neither a
>> developer nor have opened any bug against
On Du, 12 aug 12, 15:08:02, Camaleón wrote:
>
> And for -boot and -cd, I can't see a strong reason to follow them, given
> that I have no direct relation with those projects (I'm neither a
> developer nor have opened any bug against them) and can't really track
> all mailing lists for every sin
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 09:47:36 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Vi, 10 aug 12, 17:36:15, Camaleón wrote:
>>
>> Yes, and here we had a problem with communication: users were not aware
>> about this "issue" until they've read it from external sources (blogs,
>> magazines, etc...). I'm susbscribed to
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 22:58:45 -0400, Lili-Anne Girard wrote:
(please, no html posts, thanks)
>> Do you really think that XFCE is tested in the same way that GNOME (and
>> Dothe same goes for Razor-QT and KDE, for instance)? I mean, there are
>> more Dothe GNOME/KDE users out there than XFCE/LXDE/R
On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 10:09 +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Or start a petition and carry the results to there. Anything constructive,
> anything positive
> about it. Yes, thats more work than complaining here, but then … do you
> *really* want a change?
Why shouldn't users who prefer GNOME3
Hi!
Am Samstag, 11. August 2012 schrieb Lili-Anne Girard:
> > Do you really think that XFCE is tested in the same way that GNOME
> > (and Dothe same goes for Razor-QT and KDE, for instance)? I mean,
> > there are
>
> more
>
> > Dothe GNOME/KDE users out there than XFCE/LXDE/Razor-QT and more
> >
On Vi, 10 aug 12, 17:36:15, Camaleón wrote:
>
> Yes, and here we had a problem with communication: users were not aware
> about this "issue" until they've read it from external sources (blogs,
> magazines, etc...). I'm susbscribed to Debian News and Debian Announce
> (and now added debian-devel
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On 10.08.2012 18:19, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> GNOME3 isn't a successor of GNOME2, Xfce is much closer to GNOME2.
And MATE is even closer :)
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> Do you really think that XFCE is tested in the same way that GNOME (and
> Dothe same goes for Razor-QT and KDE, for instance)? I mean, there are
more
> Dothe GNOME/KDE users out there than XFCE/LXDE/Razor-QT and more users
means
> well probed software. To make a DE as a default for a distribution
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:22:48 +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Fri 10 Aug 2012 at 14:23:38 +, Camaleón wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 19:41:37 +0100, Brian wrote:
>>
>> > But the process of how the decisions are made and who makes them is
>> > the same.
>>
>> Yes, but that does not change the fact
On Fri 10 Aug 2012 at 14:23:38 +, Camaleón wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 19:41:37 +0100, Brian wrote:
>
> > But the process of how the decisions are made and who makes them is the
> > same.
>
> Yes, but that does not change the fact a decision (being a big change or
> a small one) is wrong o
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:19:38 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 14:23 +, Camaleón wrote:
>> Why not? If that's what people wants (let users decice!). There are
>> other options, of course.
>
> By upstream GNOME3 force to install pulseaudio, when I upgraded once
> upon a time,
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:24:54 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-08-09 at 14:13 +, Camaleón wrote:
>> Do you really think that XFCE is tested in the same way that GNOME (and
>> the same goes for Razor-QT and KDE, for instance)? I mean, there are
>> more
>> GNOME/KDE users out there than
On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 14:23 +, Camaleón wrote:
> Why not? If that's what people wants (let users decice!). There are
> other options, of course.
By upstream GNOME3 force to install pulseaudio, when I upgraded once
upon a time, GNOME2 became GNOME3 and pulseaudio had broken my Debian.
Than I go
On Thu, 2012-08-09 at 14:13 +, Camaleón wrote:
> Do you really think that XFCE is tested in the same way that GNOME
> (and
> the same goes for Razor-QT and KDE, for instance)? I mean, there are
> more
> GNOME/KDE users out there than XFCE/LXDE/Razor-QT and more users
> means
> well probed so
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 19:41:37 +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Thu 09 Aug 2012 at 16:33:39 +, Camaleón wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:43:38 +0100, Brian wrote:
>>
>> > You've already provided a major reference for the discussion which
>> > has taken place on debian-devel. It included controversy
On Wed, 2012-08-08 at 18:35 +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Wed 08 Aug 2012 at 16:23:28 +, Camaleón wrote:
>
> > Subject says it all.
>
> How can this be [OT]? It's about Debian. It concerns Wheezy. And the
> installer is involved, too.
>
> > I ask because I've read this from two different sources
On Thu, 9 Aug 2012 16:50:24 +0100
Darac Marjal wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 04:37:01PM +0100, Keith McKenzie wrote:
> > On 9 August 2012 15:24, Camaleón wrote:
> > > On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 22:31:05 +0100, Keith McKenzie wrote:
> > >
> [cut]
> >
> > A lot of people have been using XFCE already,
On Thu 09 Aug 2012 at 16:33:39 +, Camaleón wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:43:38 +0100, Brian wrote:
>
> > You've already provided a major reference for the discussion which has
> > taken place on debian-devel. It included controversy (altering the
> > status quo always does) but it really do
On 9 August 2012
>
> All popcon numbers are much more than a little suspect.
>
I quite agree, I was just trying to suggest that the decision, most
likely, was not made by one person, even though there may not have
been open discussion about it.
There has been a CD version which has XFCE+LXDE for
Darac writes:
> My numbers seem a little suspect there.
All popcon numbers are much more than a little suspect.
But it doesn't matter. Gnome _does not fit_. I realize that most users
break out into a sweat at the thought of dealing with anything but
pointies and clickies and so there must be a
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:43:38 +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Thu 09 Aug 2012 at 13:59:20 +, Camaleón wrote:
>> > The Debian GNOME team (or one or two of them) may not be over the
>> > moon but none of them maintain tasksel. Upstream doesn't count.
>>
>> But one could expect the tasksel team asks ab
On 8/9/2012 11:09 AM, Darac Marjal wrote:
On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 04:58:55PM +0100, Laurence Hurst wrote:
On 09/08/2012 16:50, Darac Marjal wrote:
Fair point. However, comparing[3] popcon results for xfce4-session[1] and
gnome-session[2], less than 4% of debian users use[4] xfce, compared to a
On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 04:58:55PM +0100, Laurence Hurst wrote:
> On 09/08/2012 16:50, Darac Marjal wrote:
> >Fair point. However, comparing[3] popcon results for xfce4-session[1] and
> >gnome-session[2], less than 4% of debian users use[4] xfce, compared to a
> >little over 16% who use gnome.
> >
On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:37:01 +0100, Keith McKenzie wrote:
> On 9 August 2012 15:24, Camaleón wrote:
(...)
>> So, as far as I understand -and since this new change- the only option
>> to install a DE from the first CD image (and no network link) will be
>> just XFCE and people wanting to get GNO
On 09/08/2012 16:50, Darac Marjal wrote:
Fair point. However, comparing[3] popcon results for xfce4-session[1] and
gnome-session[2], less than 4% of debian users use[4] xfce, compared to a
little over 16% who use gnome.
Hmm. My numbers seem a little suspect there. Is a graphical session
REALLY u
On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 04:37:01PM +0100, Keith McKenzie wrote:
> On 9 August 2012 15:24, Camaleón wrote:
> > On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 22:31:05 +0100, Keith McKenzie wrote:
> >
[cut]
>
> A lot of people have been using XFCE already, so the decision may have
> come from the package survey info.
Fair p
On Thu 09 Aug 2012 at 13:59:20 +, Camaleón wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 19:21:25 +0100, Brian wrote:
>
> >
> > The tasksel maintainer has made it so.
>
> Without asking to their user base nor a single survey to get some
> feedback before a final move like this... nothing? :-?
>
> > The De
On 9 August 2012 15:24, Camaleón wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 22:31:05 +0100, Keith McKenzie wrote:
>
>> On 8 August 2012 17:23, Camaleón wrote:
>
>>> I ask because I've read this from two different sources¹ now (the other
>>> magazine is written in Spanish), so is this true?
>
> (...)
>
>> The p
On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 22:31:05 +0100, Keith McKenzie wrote:
> On 8 August 2012 17:23, Camaleón wrote:
>> I ask because I've read this from two different sources¹ now (the other
>> magazine is written in Spanish), so is this true?
(...)
> The present testing(wheezy) CD-1 gives a choice of Gnome,
On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 17:25:29 -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 05:45:40PM +, Camaleón wrote:
>>
>> I wonder what the other linux distributions are doing in this regard,
>> what the GNOME teams (Debian and upstream) think about it and what
>> other desktop environments can be a
On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 19:21:25 +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Wed 08 Aug 2012 at 17:45:40 +, Camaleón wrote:
>> > How can this be [OT]? It's about Debian. It concerns Wheezy. And the
>> > installer is involved, too.
>>
>> I tagged as OT because the scope (chit-chat) is out of the technical
>> issues
On Wednesday 08 August 2012 1:31:05 pm Keith McKenzie wrote:
> On 8 August 2012 17:23, Camaleón wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Subject says it all.
> >
> > I ask because I've read this from two different sources¹ now (the other
> > magazine is written in Spanish), so is this true?
> >
> > I could onl
On 8 August 2012 17:23, Camaleón wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Subject says it all.
>
> I ask because I've read this from two different sources¹ now (the other
> magazine is written in Spanish), so is this true?
>
> I could only find this mailing list thread² as the official reference but
> from the comment
On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 05:45:40PM +, Camaleón wrote:
>
> I wonder what the other linux distributions are doing in this regard,
> what the GNOME teams (Debian and upstream) think about it and what other
> desktop environments can be also considered as good options to be used
> for the defau
On Wed 08 Aug 2012 at 17:45:40 +, Camaleón wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 18:35:44 +0100, Brian wrote:
>
> > On Wed 08 Aug 2012 at 16:23:28 +, Camaleón wrote:
> >
> >> Subject says it all.
> >
> > How can this be [OT]? It's about Debian. It concerns Wheezy. And the
> > installer is involv
On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 18:35:44 +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Wed 08 Aug 2012 at 16:23:28 +, Camaleón wrote:
>
>> Subject says it all.
>
> How can this be [OT]? It's about Debian. It concerns Wheezy. And the
> installer is involved, too.
I tagged as OT because the scope (chit-chat) is out of the te
On Wed 08 Aug 2012 at 16:23:28 +, Camaleón wrote:
> Subject says it all.
How can this be [OT]? It's about Debian. It concerns Wheezy. And the
installer is involved, too.
> I ask because I've read this from two different sources¹ now (the other
> magazine is written in Spanish), so is this
Hello,
Subject says it all.
I ask because I've read this from two different sources¹ now (the other
magazine is written in Spanish), so is this true?
I could only find this mailing list thread² as the official reference but
from the comments on there it does not look like a final decision has
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