Re: Can't We Have Another Vote for Systemd (Coup)

2014-09-30 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 26 sep 14, 11:03:07, Miles Fidelman wrote: Joel Roth wrote: On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 05:01:03PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote: On 09/25/2014 02:25 PM, Joel Roth wrote: I would say that systemd takeover of major Linux distributions and of Debian in particular would be a perfect subject for

Re: Can't We Have Another Vote for Systemd (Coup)

2014-09-26 Thread Gregory Smith
Club or not, common law criminal fraud applies. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 9:01 PM, Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/25/2014 02:25 PM, Joel Roth wrote: I would say that systemd takeover of major Linux distributions and of Debian in particular would be a perfect subject for

Re: Can't We Have Another Vote for Systemd (Coup)

2014-09-26 Thread Gregory Smith
The mailing list operator has threatened to ban me from the mailing list because I posted systemd critical opinions which explain precisely what has occured in debian. This is the debian coup's modus operandi. They see criticism and then silence it. People keep sending mails to the list but they

Re: Can't We Have Another Vote for Systemd (Coup)

2014-09-26 Thread Gregory Smith
Debian was not created as a doacracy of package maintainers, that is a falsehood that the coupists keep repeating. Debian was created as a universal operating system for the users. Just as the Free Software movement itself was created NOT for the developers and package maintainers of the software

Re: Can't We Have Another Vote for Systemd (Coup)

2014-09-26 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 26 September 2014 07:27:42 Gregory Smith wrote: The mailing list operator has threatened to ban me from the mailing list Good -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: Can't We Have Another Vote for Systemd (Coup)

2014-09-26 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Friday 26 September 2014 07:24:14 Gregory Smith wrote: Club or not, common law criminal fraud applies. Which jurisdiction? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: Can't We Have Another Vote for Systemd (Coup)

2014-09-26 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/26/2014 at 02:27 AM, Gregory Smith wrote: The mailing list operator has threatened to ban me from the mailing list because I posted systemd critical opinions which explain precisely what has occured in debian. This is the debian coup's

Re: Can't We Have Another Vote for Systemd (Coup)

2014-09-26 Thread Miles Fidelman
Joel Roth wrote: On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 05:01:03PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote: On 09/25/2014 02:25 PM, Joel Roth wrote: I would say that systemd takeover of major Linux distributions and of Debian in particular would be a perfect subject for Groklaw. How so?? Legally, Debian has the legal

Re: Can't We Have Another Vote for Systemd (Coup)

2014-09-25 Thread Gregory Smith
And the answer is no! Of course. The debian founding documents state that debian was created for the benefit of the user. (The premise of the whole free software movement is the rights of the user: the developers rights are clearly best served by the standard proprietary copyright regime) We are

Re: Can't We Have Another Vote for Systemd (Coup)

2014-09-25 Thread Hörmetjan Yiltiz
So what you mean, is the decision was a result of coup, and do not believe that another vote could be possible, even after 2/3 of active Debian users in this list ask for it? 祝好, He who is worthy to receive his days and nights is worthy to receive* all else* from you (and

Re: Can't We Have Another Vote for Systemd (Coup)

2014-09-25 Thread Joel Roth
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 07:52:33AM -0700, Gregory Smith wrote: And the answer is no! Of course. The debian founding documents state that debian was created for the benefit of the user. (The premise of the whole free software movement is the rights of the user: the developers rights are

Re: Can't We Have Another Vote for Systemd (Coup)

2014-09-25 Thread John Hasler
Hörmetjan Yiltiz writes: So what you mean, is the decision was a result of coup, and do not believe that another vote could be possible, even after 2/3 of active Debian users in this list ask for it? No, the decision was not the result of a coup and yes, a GR could overturn it. Since this is

Re: Can't We Have Another Vote for Systemd (Coup)

2014-09-25 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 25 September 2014 19:04:07 Hörmetjan Yiltiz wrote: even after 2/3 of active Debian users in this list ask for it? They haven't. A few of you have. Nothing like two thirds. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe.

Re: Can't We Have Another Vote for Systemd (Coup)

2014-09-25 Thread Ric Moore
On 09/25/2014 02:25 PM, Joel Roth wrote: I would say that systemd takeover of major Linux distributions and of Debian in particular would be a perfect subject for Groklaw. How so?? Legally, Debian has the legal stance of a Club. It is not a for-profit with Corporate Responsibilities towards

Re: Can't We Have Another Vote for Systemd (Coup)

2014-09-25 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Jo, 25 sep 14, 21:01:30, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 25 September 2014 19:04:07 Hörmetjan Yiltiz wrote: even after 2/3 of active Debian users in this list ask for it? They haven't. A few of you have. Nothing like two thirds. Just to put some numbers behind this: according to

Re: Can't We Have Another Vote for Systemd (Coup)

2014-09-25 Thread Joel Roth
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 05:01:03PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote: On 09/25/2014 02:25 PM, Joel Roth wrote: I would say that systemd takeover of major Linux distributions and of Debian in particular would be a perfect subject for Groklaw. How so?? Legally, Debian has the legal stance of a Club.

Re: Can't We Have Another Vote for Systemd (Coup)

2014-09-25 Thread John Hasler
Ric Moore writes: You are free to boot Debian and use it... You are also free to copy it, modify it in any way you wish, and start your own distribution based on it. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a

Re: Can't We Have Another Vote for Systemd (Coup)

2014-09-25 Thread Richard Owlett
Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Jo, 25 sep 14, 21:01:30, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 25 September 2014 19:04:07 Hörmetjan Yiltiz wrote: even after 2/3 of active Debian users in this list ask for it? They haven't. A few of you have. Nothing like two thirds. Just to put some numbers behind

Re: Can't We Have Another Vote for Systemd (Coup)

2014-09-25 Thread Ric Moore
On 09/25/2014 06:46 PM, John Hasler wrote: Ric Moore writes: You are free to boot Debian and use it... You are also free to copy it, modify it in any way you wish, and start your own distribution based on it. There ya go! You can do as you please. It is, after all, a club. :) Ric -- My

Re: Can't We Have Another Vote for Systemd (Coup)

2014-09-25 Thread Linux Dave
The way I see it, Debian is a do-ocracy in the sense that if you want some sort of functionality of the software Debian offers, then you can write the code and change things. I think what the OP intends by this thread is that the everyday users of Debian should have been given more of a say in the