Kali Linux is not Debian - no support here [WAS Re: LINUX-IMAGE-6.8.11 headers cannot be installed]

2024-07-24 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
> > > Hello, > > > I am using a Kali Linux > > > > https://www.google.com/search?q=kali+linux+support > > > > Aleix, That's not a Debian kernel version, potentially. Kali Linux? We've tried to tell you - most of us don't run / have never run Kali for an

Re: Trouble when editing a Debian wiki page

2024-07-24 Thread Franco Martelli
On 24/07/24 at 20:15, Greg Wooledge wrote: https://wiki.debian.org/Permissions?action=raw here there's a space before the << tag and, as I said, clicking on the "Preview" button when in edit mode, it didn't help. Well, the table of contents is indented on that page as well. It sounds like

Re: Trouble when editing a Debian wiki page

2024-07-24 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 20:08:08 +0200, Franco Martelli wrote: > On 24/07/24 at 15:34, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > Could anybody tell me what I did wrong? > > You had a leading space before the << tag. That caused the TOC to be > > indented. I removed that. > > Oh, Thank you very much Greg, what

Re: Trouble when editing a Debian wiki page

2024-07-24 Thread Franco Martelli
On 24/07/24 at 15:34, Greg Wooledge wrote: Could anybody tell me what I did wrong? You had a leading space before the << tag. That caused the TOC to be indented. I removed that. Oh, Thank you very much Greg, what confused me it was the page that I took as reference:

Re: Trouble when editing a Debian wiki page

2024-07-24 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 15:19:29 +0200, Franco Martelli wrote: > https://wiki.debian.org/EnvironmentVariables > > The trouble is that the page has lost indentation, the text begins on the > left side of the page. The only part that was indented was the table of contents itself. I fixed that. >

Trouble when editing a Debian wiki page

2024-07-24 Thread Franco Martelli
Hi, I've added <> (the index of all paragraphs inside the wiki page) directive to this wiki page: https://wiki.debian.org/EnvironmentVariables The trouble is that the page has lost indentation, the text begins on the left side of the page. In addition when I'm in editing mode and I click

Re: Logs like .xsession-errors, was: fvwm on Debian 12: Modules do not start ...

2024-07-23 Thread Max Nikulin
On 23/07/2024 19:20, Thomas Schmitt wrote: A bit off-topic question. In what wiki page you would expect to find suggestions to inspect ~/.xsession-errors file and journalctl output? I pasted ".xsession-errors" into the "Search:" field at the upper right corner of

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

2024-07-23 Thread David Wright
d64 > > now, so that's 22 different versions over 27 months, and a lot of work > > put in by the Debian Kernel Team, thanks. I think Kroah-Hartman's > > praise still applies. > > It is a lot of work. > > Note that the -13- and -31- respectively refers to the ABI ve

Re: debian distro on compact disk

2024-07-23 Thread Geert Stappers
l be problems with the size of > contemporary operating systems. A maximum capacity of 800 MB will > suffice only for the tiniest distros. > So i expand your question to DVD, Blu-ray, and USB sticks. > > Since this is the Debian user community list, I point to > https://www.debian.

Re: [Solved] vim on Debian 12: How to disable the mouse GUI mode ?

2024-07-23 Thread Max Nikulin
On 23/07/2024 19:07, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Max Nikulin wrote: Some ideas: :help :make :help clientserver I think these two lean a little too much towards the ":!rm -rf" side. It was in the context of jumping to compiler error. You can start build from vim or load a log file and

Re: Logs like .xsession-errors, was: fvwm on Debian 12: Modules do not start ...

2024-07-23 Thread Greg Wooledge
get back to it, then >Alt-F7 (usually) to get back to X). If you logged in with xdm(8), then >xdm creates a file called .xsession-errors in your home directory, and >you should look there. gdm(8) uses .gnome-errors. The other "*dm" >programs may have similar fi

Logs like .xsession-errors, was: fvwm on Debian 12: Modules do not start ...

2024-07-23 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Max Nikulin wrote: > A bit off-topic question. In what wiki page you would expect to find > suggestions to inspect ~/.xsession-errors file and journalctl output? I pasted ".xsession-errors" into the "Search:" field at the upper right corner of any Debian wiki

Re: fvwm on Debian 12: Modules do not start. How to debug ?

2024-07-23 Thread songbird
Max Nikulin wrote: > On 23/07/2024 04:09, Thomas Schmitt wrote: >>$ cat ~/.xsession-errors > [...] >>[fvwm][executeModule]: <> No such module 'FvwmConsole' in >> ModulePath '/usr/lib/fvwm/2.6.8' > > A bit off-topic question. In what wiki page you would expect to find > suggestions to

Re: [Solved] vim on Debian 12: How to disable the mouse GUI mode ?

2024-07-23 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 14:07:04 +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Is there a Debian apt-fu which lets me replace "vi" by "rvim" and "view" > by "rview" ? (So that this PEBKAC cannot fall back to old habits ?) update-alternatives, or just set up some personal shell aliases.

Re: [Solved] vim on Debian 12: How to disable the mouse GUI mode ?

2024-07-23 Thread Thomas Schmitt
bash builtin named "fg" brings me back in. (Now i need to re-read man bash about "jobspec". My stack runneth over.) Is there a Debian apt-fu which lets me replace "vi" by "rvim" and "view" by "rview" ? (So that this PEBKAC cannot fall back to

Re: debian distro on compact disk

2024-07-23 Thread Thomas Schmitt
URL. Merging of Debian ISOs is decribed in https://wiki.debian.org/MergeDebianIsos Have a nice day :) Thomas

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

2024-07-23 Thread Detlef Vollmann
On 7/23/24 09:45, 타토카 wrote: Does anyone here use Debian Sid for professional work and programming? I do. Are you happy with this? I am. I just want to know your opinions about this experience. I have several old kernels and respective initrds on my machine and I have another machine

Re: fvwm on Debian 12: Modules do not start. How to debug ?

2024-07-23 Thread Max Nikulin
On 23/07/2024 04:09, Thomas Schmitt wrote: $ cat ~/.xsession-errors [...] [fvwm][executeModule]: <> No such module 'FvwmConsole' in ModulePath '/usr/lib/fvwm/2.6.8' A bit off-topic question. In what wiki page you would expect to find suggestions to inspect ~/.xsession-errors file and

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

2024-07-23 Thread Greg Wooledge
> > > This particular one may originate from > > > I had forgotten that page even existed. It hasn't been touched in 16 years. -rw-r--r-- 1 greg greg 11031 Dec 12 2007 sidfaq.html At this point it should be considered a historical artifact rather

Re: [Solved] Re: vim on Debian 12: How to disable the mouse GUI mode ?

2024-07-23 Thread Max Nikulin
On 23/07/2024 14:57, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Max Nikulin wrote: I would consider some convenient key mapping that should be executed before pasting line number instead of disabling bracketed paste completely. There is a chance to paste something weird with hidden text from a web page or from a

Re: debian distro on compact disk

2024-07-23 Thread Richard Owlett
of contemporary operating systems. A maximum capacity of 800 MB will suffice only for the tiniest distros. GRML-small (Debian-based rescue/tinkering distro) is 500 mega-octets. On the other hand, good luck *buying* it ;-D Regards, Thanks for reference to GRML [1]. Its feature list [2] suggests

Re: Debian should have a rolling release version; was: Debian Sid. General questions.

2024-07-23 Thread Michael Kjörling
ing > patches. It was one of those accumulated bugs that would get cleared > at the next major release. Then, years after it was disclosed, someone > figured out it was exploitable. Considering that major Debian releases happen about once every two years, and running Stable is encouraged fo

Re: debian distro on compact disk

2024-07-23 Thread Nicolas George
s. A maximum capacity of 800 MB will > suffice only for the tiniest distros. GRML-small (Debian-based rescue/tinkering distro) is 500 mega-octets. On the other hand, good luck *buying* it ;-D Regards, -- Nicolas George

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

2024-07-23 Thread Michael Kjörling
ork > put in by the Debian Kernel Team, thanks. I think Kroah-Hartman's > praise still applies. It is a lot of work. Note that the -13- and -31- respectively refers to the ABI version of the build, which isn't necessarily the same thing as an updated kernel. It's not that uncommon for

Re: debian distro on compact disk

2024-07-23 Thread Thomas Schmitt
e only for the tiniest distros. So i expand your question to DVD, Blu-ray, and USB sticks. Since this is the Debian user community list, i point to https://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ But of course, you do not have to buy physical media in order to get Debian. The whole software collection is ava

[Solved] Re: vim on Debian 12: How to disable the mouse GUI mode ?

2024-07-23 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Max Nikulin wrote: > I would consider some convenient key mapping that should be executed before > pasting line number instead of disabling bracketed paste completely. There > is a chance to paste something weird with hidden text from a web page or > from a HTML mail message. I am not sure

[Solved] Re: fvwm on Debian 12: Modules do not start. How to debug ?

2024-07-23 Thread Thomas Schmitt
i did not notice two years ago during the transition from Debian 10 to 11 is that both have fvwm 2.6.8. > What happens if you comment it out? Nothing bad. So i will leave it that way. Have a nice day :) Thomas

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

2024-07-23 Thread 타토카
Does anyone here use Debian Sid for professional work and programming? Are you happy with this? I just want to know your opinions about this experience. On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 7:52 AM Max Nikulin wrote: > > On 23/07/2024 09:23, Max Nikulin wrote: > >> On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at

Lag lecture vidéo avec Chromium sur Debian 12

2024-07-23 Thread Adrien Torris
Bonjour les linuxiens, Je vous écris car je rencontre une difficulté. J’ai un RPI4B qui tourne sur la dernière version de Debian 12. Sur ce RPI j’ai un service web lancé en mode kiosk qui écoute des messages MQTT et qui lance la lecture de vidéos en plein écran. Les vidéos laguent et je n’arrive

debian distro on compact disk

2024-07-23 Thread prive Arjen SImon Scheer
Hendrik Ido Ambacht 23 juli 2024. Dear debian i was wondering withall the AI in software computer opertings systems where can i buy a save distro on compact disk whant back to the core without AI, had some problems whit AI and machine leraing the computer goind to deside an i know debian

Re: [Solved] Re: vim on Debian 12: How to disable the mouse GUI mode ?

2024-07-22 Thread Max Nikulin
On 23/07/2024 00:40, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Greg Wooledge wrote: https://vi.stackexchange.com/questions/18001/why-cant-i-paste-commands-into-vi Apparently when in an "xterm environment" (whatever that means; apparently it includes rxvt-unicode), turning on bracketed paste mode works: :set

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

2024-07-22 Thread Max Nikulin
On 23/07/2024 09:23, Max Nikulin wrote: On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 00:25:27 +0500, 타토카 wrote: I have read on the official Debian website about sid (in russian version): "Maybe. There was one real case where PAM broke. PAM checks all users, so without PAM no one can login, even as a root. I

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

2024-07-22 Thread Max Nikulin
On 23/07/2024 02:30, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 00:25:27 +0500, 타토카 wrote: I have read on the official Debian website about sid (in russian version): "Maybe. There was one real case where PAM broke. PAM checks all users, so without PAM no one can login, even as a root. I

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

2024-07-22 Thread David Wright
On Mon 22 Jul 2024 at 18:10:24 (-0400), Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 5:41 PM Andy Smith wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 01:38:07PM +0500, 타토카 wrote: > > > [...] > > > 4. As I know Debian Sid does not have some packages like Arch, why? They > >

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

2024-07-22 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 5:41 PM Andy Smith wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 01:38:07PM +0500, 타토카 wrote: > > [...] > > 4. As I know Debian Sid does not have some packages like Arch, why? They > > have rolling releases? I mean packages, for example, hyprland. > &g

Re: fvwm on Debian 12: Modules do not start. How to debug ?

2024-07-22 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 23:09:59 +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Four of five fingers point to me and my ~/.fvwm2rc": > > ModulePath /usr/lib/fvwm/2.6.8 > > I see traces that i adjusted this multiple times over the years: > /usr/lib/X11/fvwm2 , /usr/lib/fvwm/2.6.5 , /usr/lib/fvwm/2.6.8. > > So

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

2024-07-22 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 01:38:07PM +0500, 타토카 wrote: > Hello, dear Debian Community! I just want to ask you a few questions: > 1. How is Debian Sid stable then Arch Linux, for example? How often does > Debian Sid crash and breaked? If you have to ask this question, you should not t

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

2024-07-22 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 23 Jul 2024 01:27 +0500, from cybertat...@gmail.com (타토카): > I know what PAM is. I understand what the problem is described on the > website. But I think if I get Debian Sid Update and after that PAM will > crash, I just want to know what the solution can be for it. You have mentioned

Re: fvwm on Debian 12: Modules do not start. How to debug ?

2024-07-22 Thread Thomas Schmitt
.gif is a 128x128 GIF87a image with 256 colors Default gamma for IRGB image is 2.20 Compressing colormap...didn't find evidence of prior run. 6 unique colors Building XImage...done [fvwm][executeModule]: <> No such module 'FvwmConsole' in ModulePath '/usr/lib/fvwm/2.6.8' $ Indee

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

2024-07-22 Thread David Wright
On Tue 23 Jul 2024 at 00:25:27 (+0500), 타토카 wrote: > I have read on the official Debian website about sid (in russian version): > "Maybe. There was one real case where PAM broke. PAM checks all users, so > without PAM no one can login, even as a root. If you work in a precarious >

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

2024-07-22 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 21:38:23 +0100, Joe wrote: > On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 01:27:49 +0500 > 타토카 wrote: > > > I know what PAM is. I understand what the problem is described on the > > website. But I think if I get Debian Sid Update and after that PAM > > will cras

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

2024-07-22 Thread 타토카
I know what PAM is. I understand what the problem is described on the website. But I think if I get Debian Sid Update and after that PAM will crash, I just want to know what the solution can be for it. I am interested in Debian Sid. But I just want to Insure myself of problems, which happened

Re: fvwm on Debian 12: Modules do not start. How to debug ?

2024-07-22 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 21:37:05 +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > So how could i debug the start of fvwm Modules ? > Is there any log file or configuration option ? Error messages, if there are any, should be in ~/.xsession-errors for most users. I'd start there.

fvwm on Debian 12: Modules do not start. How to debug ?

2024-07-22 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, after the striking success with my previous vim problem, i want to tackle another nuisance of the 11-to-12 upgrade. The window manager fvwm2 does not start the Modules and does not produce the Buttons which are prescribed by my ~/.fvwm2rc . I am direly missing FvwmPager for my 8x2

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

2024-07-22 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 00:25:27 +0500, 타토카 wrote: > I have read on the official Debian website about sid (in russian version): > "Maybe. There was one real case where PAM broke. PAM checks all users, so > without PAM no one can login, even as a root. If you work in a precarious >

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

2024-07-22 Thread 타토카
I have read on the official Debian website about sid (in russian version): "Maybe. There was one real case where PAM broke. PAM checks all users, so without PAM no one can login, even as a root. If you work in a precarious environment, you must be able to handle such situations.". I don'

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

2024-07-22 Thread Kent West
On 7/22/24 3:38 AM, 타토카 wrote: Hello, dear Debian Community! I just want to ask you a few questions: 1. How is Debian Sid stable then Arch Linux, for example? How often does Debian Sid crash and breaked? I can't speak about Arch; I mostly use Sid on all my workstations, but none of my

[Solved] Re: vim on Debian 12: How to disable the mouse GUI mode ?

2024-07-22 Thread Thomas Schmitt
rks: > > :set t_BE= > > The = is required. Oh yes. This helps. \o/ I have put it into my ~/.vimrc now. After this nudge i dimly remember to have seen this "set t_BE=" before. Grrr. In 2021 i wrote in https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/12/msg00680.html Ba

Re: vim on Debian 12: How to disable the mouse GUI mode ?

2024-07-22 Thread Greg Wooledge
I found a fix: https://vi.stackexchange.com/questions/18001/why-cant-i-paste-commands-into-vi Apparently when in an "xterm environment" (whatever that means; apparently it includes rxvt-unicode), turning on bracketed paste mode works: :set t_BE= The = is required.

Re: vim on Debian 12: How to disable the mouse GUI mode ?

2024-07-22 Thread Dan Ritter
Greg Wooledge wrote: > In my testing, I ran vim with no arguments, and typed in a single line > of gibberish. Then, I moved the cursor to column 0. Finally, I typed > out the command 20l in a different terminal, highlighted it, and pasted > it into vim. Rather than moving my cursor 20

Re: vim on Debian 12: How to disable the mouse GUI mode ?

2024-07-22 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 11:23:19 -0400, Justin Piszcz wrote: > On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 11:20 AM Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 17:08:15 +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > > Since an upgrade from Debian 11 to 12 the vim command > > > >

Re: vim on Debian 12: How to disable the mouse GUI mode ?

2024-07-22 Thread David
On Mon, 22 Jul 2024 at 15:09, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > (I have no Debian 11 at hand any more. It would be nice if one of the > vim users of Debian 11 could confirm that after > :set mouse= > pasting the number text "123" by the mouse and pressing "G" on the >

Re: vim on Debian 12: How to disable the mouse GUI mode ?

2024-07-22 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Greg Wooledge wrote: > I'm not sure how you've got it configured, but just having a ~/.vimrc > file should be enough to disable the default system vimrc which has all > that broken mouse crap. The problem is that the old way of crap-disabling does not work here. I can perform in the vim

Re: vim on Debian 12: How to disable the mouse GUI mode ?

2024-07-22 Thread Justin Piszcz
On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 11:20 AM Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 17:08:15 +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > Since an upgrade from Debian 11 to 12 the vim command > > > > :set mouse= > > > > does not disable the "GUI" interpre

Re: vim on Debian 12: How to disable the mouse GUI mode ?

2024-07-22 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 17:08:15 +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Since an upgrade from Debian 11 to 12 the vim command > > :set mouse= > > does not disable the "GUI" interpretation of pasting text or numbers > when vim is in normal mode [...] I'm not sure how you've

vim on Debian 12: How to disable the mouse GUI mode ?

2024-07-22 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, i am running vim in xterm windows. Since an upgrade from Debian 11 to 12 the vim command :set mouse= does not disable the "GUI" interpretation of pasting text or numbers when vim is in normal mode (i.e. when pressing ':' leads to a command prompt in the base line and pressing

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-22 Thread ajh-valmer
plus léger et le boot graphique tdm-trinity. > > Et là, tu seras réconcilié avec Debian. > C'est joli ! Je n'ai pas Googlé dans les recoins mais ça me rappelle un > peu KDE ! TDE-TRINITY est la version KDE-3 remaniée par une équipe américaine, après la version KDE-4 qui a dégénéré. Bien de

Re: [HS] clones RHEL (WAS: Re: Re : Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique)

2024-07-22 Thread Halbrante
Le 22/07/2024 à 12:39, ajh-valmer a écrit : On Monday 22 July 2024 11:50:34 Halbrante wrote : Je vais donc faire une croix sur Xfce et me satisfaire de Gnome puisqu'il semble fonctionner mais cet épisode a veillé mes soupçons : Debian 12 est elle encore le bon choix ? Affaire à suivre et merci

Re: Debian Sid. General questions.

2024-07-22 Thread songbird
타토카 wrote: > Hello, dear Debian Community! I just want to ask you a few questions: > 1. How is Debian Sid stable then Arch Linux, for example? How often does > Debian Sid crash and breaked? this depends upon which packages are used frequently. > 2. I have seen on the Debian o

Re: [HS] clones RHEL (WAS: Re: Re : Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique)

2024-07-22 Thread ajh-valmer
On Monday 22 July 2024 11:50:34 Halbrante wrote : > Je vais donc faire une croix sur Xfce et me satisfaire de Gnome > puisqu'il semble fonctionner mais cet épisode a veillé mes soupçons : > Debian 12 est elle encore le bon choix ? > Affaire à suivre et merci pour distrowath.c

Re: [HS] clones RHEL (WAS: Re: Re : Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique)

2024-07-22 Thread Halbrante
J'ai utilisé Debian pendant longtemps et il ne m'avais pas habitué à ce genre de problème surtout sur une install toute neuve ! Du coup, je n'ai jamais eu à ferrailler avec les interfaces graphique ! Je vais donc faire une croix sur Xfce et me satisfaire de Gnome puisqu'il semble fonctionner

Re: Remote desktop Debian -> ChromeBook

2024-07-22 Thread Nicolas George
Nicolas George (12024-07-18): > I want to display a desktop and applications running on a Debian box on > the screen and keyboard of a ChromeBook. Over LAN+WLAN mostly, but if it > can also work more remotely in degraded mode it would be nice. > > I see various options to try: VN

Re: Re : Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-22 Thread Halbrante
persiste et signe, de toutes les distributions testées et installées depuis RH3, Debian est de loin la plus stable sur les serveurs y compris par rapport à Ubuntu server. Certes mais en ce qui concerne ma bécane, ce n'est pas un serveur mais une station de travail disons  domestique et il

Re: [HS] clones RHEL (WAS: Re: Re : Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique)

2024-07-22 Thread didier gaumet
=Solaris=All=All=All=None=All=All=All=All=All=All=All=All=Active#simpleresults venant de RHEL et déçu par Debian, je ne suis pas sûr que tu y retrouces tes petits ;-)

Debian Sid. General questions.

2024-07-22 Thread 타토카
Hello, dear Debian Community! I just want to ask you a few questions: 1. How is Debian Sid stable then Arch Linux, for example? How often does Debian Sid crash and breaked? 2. I have seen on the Debian official site about Debian Sid and PAM. If I have this problem with PAM, what should I do? 3

[HS] clones RHEL (WAS: Re: Re : Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique)

2024-07-22 Thread didier gaumet
veulent une saveur corporate, Oracle Linux est un clone RHEL gratuit. Bref, si Debian ne te satisfait pas, soit il n'est pas à la hauteur de tes attentes, soit tu ne t'es pas assez investi dans son mode de fonctionnement (mais si les deux sont des distros Linux, il y a quand même des

Re: Re : Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-22 Thread NoSpam
Bonjour je dis ca et ca et je ne dis rien, en pro une interface graphique n'a PAS à être installée. Je persiste et signe, de toutes les distributions testées et installées depuis RH3, Debian est de loin la plus stable sur les serveurs y compris par rapport à Ubuntu server. Le 21/07/2024 à

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread Jean-Michel OLTRA
Bonjour, Le dimanche 21 juillet 2024, Halbrante a écrit... > Deux DM cohabitent Xfce et Gnome > > Ce qui est proposé est : > > - GNOME > - GNOME Classique > - GNOME classique sur Xorg > - GNOME sur Xorg > - Default Xsession > - Session Xfce > > Toutes permettent de se connecter

Re: Re : Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread Halbrante
satisfaisait au besoin. Ça date un peu !!! Alors que choisir aujourd'hui ? J'étais parti sur la dernière Debian mais après cet épisode, le doute s'est installé. Merci en tout cas de vos avis Le 21/07/2024 à 20:40, Frederic Zulian a écrit : Hmm, plus stable que Debian stable ? Il y avait bien centos qui

Re: Re : Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread Frederic Zulian
Hmm, plus stable que Debian stable ? Il y avait bien centos qui était assez utilisé il y a quelques années en pro. Sinon avec X sous Debian, quelque chose de plus léger comme Lxqt devrait limiter d'éventuels bugs et interactions. A voir, mais cela a déjà été proposé, de tenter une reinstall

Re: Re : Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread Halbrante
, se traduise par cette situation. Je continue de m'interroger sur la pertinence à conserver la Debian 12 car je n'ai nullement envie de me confronter à nouveau à cette situation : j'attends un OS fiable. Je reste encore dans cette situation boiteuse mais à la prochaine incartade, je passerais

Re : Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread Jean Bernon
À la lecture de l'historique du problème, il semble que l'installation de Samba a introduit Gnome et qu'à l'installation du nouveau noyau Linux, xfce a été carrément remplacé par Gnome. Donc ton idée de réinstaller xfce semble judicieuse et je ne vois pas d'objection à le tenter. Jean

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread olivier
Bonjour, Concernant la session graphique, j'ai remarqué un plantage... J'ai Debian 12 avec Firefox ESR, et comme extension Adblock (qui est efficace)...Sauf que aléatoirement tout ce bloque (souris, clavier), et je perds mes modifications lorsque je travaille... J'ai recherché au niveau des

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread Halbrante
RA a écrit : Bonjour, Le dimanche 21 juillet 2024, Halbrante a écrit... Je pense que je me suis trompé de distribution : j'ai besoin d'un système stable et malheureusement la Debian 12 ne l'est pas puisqu'elle ne l'est restée qu'un mois La 2eme ou 3eme mise à jour lui a été fatale :-((

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread Halbrante
et reboot, ce n'est donc pas le pilote graphique ni xfce4 de debian (puisque les sessions d'autres utilisateurs fonctionnent). Les deux dernières solutions que je propose : 1/ Rebooter sur un noyau d'avant la sauvegarde et voir si mieux ? 2/ Sinon remettre à zéro ton XFCE (comme expliqué sur

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread testeur
xfce4 de debian (puisque les sessions d'autres utilisateurs fonctionnent). Les deux dernières solutions que je propose : 1/ Rebooter sur un noyau d'avant la sauvegarde et voir si mieux ? 2/ Sinon remettre à zéro ton XFCE (comme expliqué sur la page dédié à xfce pour debian https://wiki.debian.org

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread NoSpam
a écrit... Je pense que je me suis trompé de distribution : j'ai besoin d'un système stable et malheureusement la Debian 12 ne l'est pas puisqu'elle ne l'est restée qu'un mois La 2eme ou 3eme mise à jour lui a été fatale :-(( C'est ton interprétation. Je suis sous Debian depuis 24 ans

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread Halbrante
 : Bonjour, Le dimanche 21 juillet 2024, Halbrante a écrit... Je pense que je me suis trompé de distribution : j'ai besoin d'un système stable et malheureusement la Debian 12 ne l'est pas puisqu'elle ne l'est restée qu'un mois La 2eme ou 3eme mise à jour lui a été fatale :-(( C'est

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread Halbrante
l'installation ne l'est plus. Pour faire court : - J'installe la debian 12 avec donc ce premier utilisateur (jeff) sur une HP Prodesk Mini G4. L'environnement de bureau choisi est Xfce4. - tout fonctionne bien quelque temps ( environ 15 à 20 jours) puis j'installe samba pour donner accès à un SSD USB

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread Jean-Michel OLTRA
Bonjour, Le dimanche 21 juillet 2024, Halbrante a écrit... > Je pense que je me suis trompé de distribution : j'ai besoin d'un système > stable et malheureusement la Debian 12 ne l'est pas puisqu'elle ne l'est > restée qu'un mois > La 2eme ou 3eme mise à jour lui

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread ajh-valmer
Je n'ai pas entendu que Debian 12 est instable et pose problèmes. Merci de m'indiquer comment s'est passé ce blème, d'un nouvel utilisateur non accepté par le bureau : upgrade, ré-installation... ? On Sunday 21 July 2024 14:08:25 Halbrante wrote: > J'ai été tenté par cette manip mais il y a

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread Halbrante
comportements dans les version antérieures. Je pense que je me suis trompé de distribution : j'ai besoin d'un système stable et malheureusement la Debian 12 ne l'est pas puisqu'elle ne l'est restée qu'un mois La 2eme ou 3eme mise à jour lui a été fatale :-(( Je ne ferais pas de

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread Halbrante
écran noir. J'utilise xfce4 et j’hésite à installer que que ce soit d'autre de crainte de tout casser et de perdre tout ce que j'ai installé et configuré ! J'ai bien sur cherché les logs de xfce4 mais lorsque je regarde dans: /home/jeff/.cache/sessions/xfce4-session-desktop-DEBIAN:0 Je ne vois r

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread ajh-valmer
Hello, En supprimant totalement en mode console le user qui ne veut pas de session graphique ainsi que son répertoire /home/user/ puis, reboot et réinstallation du user. Même démarche mais login graphique en mode root : Arriver sur le login graphique, wdm, xdm, lightdm... y a t-il une liste de

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread Jean-Michel OLTRA
Bonjour, Le vendredi 19 juillet 2024, Halbrante a écrit... > J'ai installé la Debian 12 sur un mini PC HP Prodesk et tout se passait bien > jusqu'à un reboot suite auquel, il m'était impossible d'ouvrir une session > graphique de l’utilisateur créé à l'installation du systèm

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread testeur
piste ... Le 21/07/2024 à 10:56, Halbrante a écrit : Bonjour, Merci pour la suggestion, voici ce que ça donne. J'ignore quels droits seraient les bons ! jeff@desktop-DEBIAN:~$ ls -al ~/.cache/sessions total 52 drwx--  3 jeff jeff 4096 17 juil. 00:00 . drwx-- 20 jeff jeff 4096 17 juil. 22

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread Halbrante
Bonjour, Merci pour la suggestion, voici ce que ça donne. J'ignore quels droits seraient les bons ! jeff@desktop-DEBIAN:~$ ls -al ~/.cache/sessions total 52 drwx--  3 jeff jeff 4096 17 juil. 00:00 . drwx-- 20 jeff jeff 4096 17 juil. 22:11 .. drwx--  2 jeff jeff 4096  8 juil. 21:39

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-21 Thread Testeur
16, ajh-valmer a >> écrit : >> >> Pilote carte graphique plus reconnu suite au passage >> vers le dernier noyau ? Donc boot en mode sans Xorg. >> On Friday 19 July 2024 19:00:57 Halbrante wrote: >> >&

Re: Running 32-bit static exeutable on 64-bit Debian

2024-07-20 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Sat, Jul 20, 2024, 8:57 AM Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 01:15:22 -0700, Van Snyder wrote: > > > Van Snyder wrote: > > > > And there's still the mystery why a statically-linked executable > > > > wants to > > > > load a shared object library. > >

Re: Running 32-bit static exeutable on 64-bit Debian

2024-07-20 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Greg Wooledge wrote: > Then it's almost certainly using dlopen() to load this shared library. dlopen(3) explains the missing gtk modules which (i assume) are not reported by ldd. But it does not explain why "file" and ldd now report something different than they reported a while ago. Have

Re: Running 32-bit static exeutable on 64-bit Debian

2024-07-20 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 01:15:22 -0700, Van Snyder wrote: > > Van Snyder wrote: > > > And there's still the mystery why a statically-linked executable > > > wants to > > > load a shared object library. https://manpages.debian.org/bookworm/manpages-dev/dlopen.3.en.html > Am I losing my mind? > >

Re: Running 32-bit static exeutable on 64-bit Debian

2024-07-20 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 5:50 AM Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > Van Snyder wrote: > > And there's still the mystery why a statically-linked executable wants to > > load a shared object library. > > I doubt that it is possible to make a purely statical binary with no > references to .any so libraries. >

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-20 Thread didier gaumet
Le 19/07/2024 à 22:19, Halbrante a écrit : Le fichier xcession_errors est juste une copie de sauvegarde du fichier du fichier .xcession_errors au moment où je tente d'ouvrir une session. D'accord mais que contient ce fichier? et précédemment tu as fait un ls -l de ton répertoire, essaie

Re: Running 32-bit static exeutable on 64-bit Debian

2024-07-20 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Van Snyder wrote: > Am I losing my mind? Since this could mean a fatal end to the endeavor to run your program we should postpone this hypothesis until nearly everything else is outruled. > At first I had done "file LinuxSusser". It reported "Statically linked." > Just to be sure, I did

Re: Running 32-bit static exeutable on 64-bit Debian

2024-07-20 Thread Van Snyder
dules (atk-bridge, pixmap, adwaita), not missing shared object libraries. Where do I get the missing gtk modules? The program is not a Debian package. I got it years ago (2006) in a zip file from the author, so I don't understand why it was statically linked a few hours ago. The file's time stamp hasn't changed. > > > Have a nice day :) > > Thomas >

Re: Running 32-bit static exeutable on 64-bit Debian

2024-07-20 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Van Snyder wrote: > And there's still the mystery why a statically-linked executable wants to > load a shared object library. I doubt that it is possible to make a purely statical binary with no references to .any so libraries. (If it were generally possible, why then exist Flatpack and Snap

Re: Running 32-bit static exeutable on 64-bit Debian

2024-07-20 Thread David
On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 at 06:44, Van Snyder wrote: > On Sat, 2024-07-20 at 05:54 +, David wrote: > > On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 at 04:56, Van Snyder wrote: > > > I'm trying to run a 32-bit static executable on 64-bit Debian 12.5 > > > "bookworm."

Re: DEBIAN 12 : Plus d'ouverture de session graphique

2024-07-20 Thread Halbrante
vers le dernier noyau ? Donc boot en mode sans Xorg. On Friday 19 July 2024 19:00:57 Halbrante wrote: J'ai installé la Debian 12 sur un mini PC HP Prodesk et tout se passait bien jusqu'à un reboot suite auquel, il

Re: Running 32-bit static exeutable on 64-bit Debian

2024-07-20 Thread Van Snyder
On Sat, 2024-07-20 at 05:54 +, David wrote: > On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 at 04:56, Van Snyder > wrote: > > > I'm trying to run a 32-bit static executable on 64-bit Debian 12.5 > > "bookworm." > > > > When I launch it, I get > > > > ./LinuxS

Re: Running 32-bit static exeutable on 64-bit Debian

2024-07-19 Thread David
On Sat, 20 Jul 2024 at 04:56, Van Snyder wrote: > I'm trying to run a 32-bit static executable on 64-bit Debian 12.5 "bookworm." > > When I launch it, I get > > ./LinuxSusser: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: > cannot open shared object fil

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