Re: Debian-friendly laptop

2021-05-20 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2021-05-20 2:23 p.m., mj wrote: > > > On 5/20/21 5:04 PM, Celejar wrote: >> Lenovo's official ThinkPad prices are indeed always high, even on their >> perpetual sales. I think that most of us who buy them for personal use >> do so on the secondhand / refurbished market. > > Yes, and I

Re: Debian-friendly laptop

2021-05-20 Thread mj
On 5/20/21 5:04 PM, Celejar wrote: Lenovo's official ThinkPad prices are indeed always high, even on their perpetual sales. I think that most of us who buy them for personal use do so on the secondhand / refurbished market. Yes, and I would like to point out that the high price tag is in my

Re: Debian-friendly laptop

2021-05-20 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 11:49:56PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 19 May 2021 22:48:18 Stefan Monnier wrote: > > > > Or perhaps more than a bit more ;) I see that the Librem 14 version > > > 1 starts at $1470, for an i7 10710U, 8GB RAM, 250GB SSD, 14" > > > 1920x1080 screen, no WLAN.

Re: Debian-friendly laptop

2021-05-20 Thread Celejar
On Thu, 20 May 2021 07:51:31 -0400 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 08:06:19 AM Celejar wrote: > > Or perhaps more than a bit more ;) I see that the Librem 14 version 1 > > starts at $1470, for an i7 10710U, 8GB RAM, 250GB SSD, 14" 1920x1080 > > screen, no WLAN. I'm pretty

Re: Debian-friendly laptop

2021-05-20 Thread Celejar
On Thu, 20 May 2021 01:04:06 -0400 Stefan Monnier wrote: > > While building the latest linuxcnc for my pi, I came across this mentio > > of coreboot, so I checked their site for asus mainboard support, to find > > asus unmentioned. > > > > So, will it work for an Asus Z370-A II mainboard? > >

Re: Debian-friendly laptop

2021-05-20 Thread rhkramer
On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 08:06:19 AM Celejar wrote: > Or perhaps more than a bit more ;) I see that the Librem 14 version 1 > starts at $1470, for an i7 10710U, 8GB RAM, 250GB SSD, 14" 1920x1080 > screen, no WLAN. I'm pretty sure you can do a whole lot better than > that from the standard

Re: Debian-friendly laptop

2021-05-20 Thread Stefan Monnier
> While building the latest linuxcnc for my pi, I came across this mentio > of coreboot, so I checked their site for asus mainboard support, to find > asus unmentioned. > > So, will it work for an Asus Z370-A II mainboard? I have no idea, but you can check the doc and or code to find out. The

Re: Debian-friendly laptop

2021-05-20 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Or perhaps more than a bit more ;) I see that the Librem 14 version 1 > starts at $1470, for an i7 10710U, 8GB RAM, 250GB SSD, 14" 1920x1080 > screen, no WLAN. I'm pretty sure you can do a whole lot better than > that from the standard brands. Indeed, you pay more, but it funds development of

Re: Debian-friendly laptop

2021-05-19 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 19 May 2021 22:48:18 Stefan Monnier wrote: > > Or perhaps more than a bit more ;) I see that the Librem 14 version > > 1 starts at $1470, for an i7 10710U, 8GB RAM, 250GB SSD, 14" > > 1920x1080 screen, no WLAN. I'm pretty sure you can do a whole lot > > better than that from the

Re: Debian-friendly laptop

2021-05-19 Thread Joel Roth
George Shuklin wrote: > On 5/18/21 10:49 PM, George Shuklin wrote: > > I'm trying to choose between Purism and System76, and, as far as I > > understand they both supports linux very well, but.. > That leave System76. But they have only models with nvidia available, and we > all knows how open

Re: Debian-friendly laptop

2021-05-19 Thread James B
I'd recommend a HP ProBook.I have the 15" 6570b from 2012/13 and it's a great machine.A bit chunky now compared to new generation machines but still a nice looking laptop and very solid and well built, with a good screen.Best thing about it is that the bottom panel slides off with no screws to

Re: Debian-friendly laptop

2021-05-19 Thread Martin Smith
On 19/05/2021 16:32, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Mi, 19 mai 21, 11:06:44, Celejar wrote: On Wed, 19 May 2021 17:27:16 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Mi, 19 mai 21, 07:58:05, Celejar wrote: My previous main machine had been a T60. I gave that up when its keyboard failed. I know that one of the

Re: Debian-friendly laptop

2021-05-19 Thread George Shuklin
On 5/18/21 10:49 PM, George Shuklin wrote: I'm trying to choose between Purism and System76, and, as far as I understand they both supports linux very well, but.. Which one is better? Or, may me I missed and there are other coreboot (no ME) vendors with high-grade Linux support? I have a

Re: Debian-friendly laptop

2021-05-19 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 19 May 2021 18:32:56 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Mi, 19 mai 21, 11:06:44, Celejar wrote: > > On Wed, 19 May 2021 17:27:16 +0300 > > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > > On Mi, 19 mai 21, 07:58:05, Celejar wrote: > > > > > > > > My previous main machine had been a T60. I gave that up

Re: Debian-friendly laptop

2021-05-19 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 19 mai 21, 11:06:44, Celejar wrote: > On Wed, 19 May 2021 17:27:16 +0300 > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > On Mi, 19 mai 21, 07:58:05, Celejar wrote: > > > > > > My previous main machine had been a T60. I gave that up when its > > > keyboard failed. I know that one of the main selling points

Re: Debian-friendly laptop

2021-05-19 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 19 May 2021 17:27:16 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Mi, 19 mai 21, 07:58:05, Celejar wrote: > > > > My previous main machine had been a T60. I gave that up when its > > keyboard failed. I know that one of the main selling points of > > ThinkPads is their keyboards: they are certainly

Re: Debian-friendly laptop

2021-05-19 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi On 2021-05-19 3:39 a.m., to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 04:01:41PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside > wrote: >> Hi ! >> I've had good experiences with HP EliteBook. >> I'm not sure what you mean by Linux support. > > The "linux support" George is talking about is

Re: Debian-friendly laptop

2021-05-19 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 19 mai 21, 07:58:05, Celejar wrote: > > My previous main machine had been a T60. I gave that up when its > keyboard failed. I know that one of the main selling points of > ThinkPads is their keyboards: they are certainly very good, but > apparently they don't last forever ;) At least they

Re: Debian-friendly laptop

2021-05-19 Thread George Shuklin
On 19/05/2021 15:06, Celejar wrote: On Wed, 19 May 2021 09:39:06 +0200 wrote: On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 04:01:41PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: Hi ! I've had good experiences with HP EliteBook. I'm not sure what you mean by Linux support. The "linux support" George is talking

Re: Debian-friendly laptop

2021-05-19 Thread tomas
On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 08:06:19AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Wed, 19 May 2021 09:39:06 +0200 > wrote: [...] > Or perhaps more than a bit more ;) I see that the Librem 14 version 1 > starts at $1470, for an i7 10710U, 8GB RAM, 250GB SSD, 14" 1920x1080 > screen, no WLAN. I'm pretty sure you can

Re: Debian-friendly laptop

2021-05-19 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 19 May 2021 09:39:06 +0200 wrote: > On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 04:01:41PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside > wrote: > > Hi ! > > I've had good experiences with HP EliteBook. > > I'm not sure what you mean by Linux support. > > The "linux support" George is talking about is just a

Re: Debian-friendly laptop

2021-05-19 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 19 May 2021 09:41:39 +0200 wrote: > On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 10:09:12AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Ma, 18 mai 21, 22:49:31, George Shuklin wrote: > > > I'm trying to choose between Purism and System76, and, as far as I > > > understand they both supports linux very well, but.. >

Re: Debian-friendly laptop

2021-05-19 Thread tomas
On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 10:09:12AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Ma, 18 mai 21, 22:49:31, George Shuklin wrote: > > I'm trying to choose between Purism and System76, and, as far as I > > understand they both supports linux very well, but.. > > > > Which one is better? Or, may me I missed and

Re: Debian-friendly laptop

2021-05-19 Thread tomas
On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 04:01:41PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > Hi ! > I've had good experiences with HP EliteBook. > I'm not sure what you mean by Linux support. The "linux support" George is talking about is just a tad... stronger :) Both Purism and System76 come with

Re: Debian-friendly laptop

2021-05-19 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 18 mai 21, 22:49:31, George Shuklin wrote: > I'm trying to choose between Purism and System76, and, as far as I > understand they both supports linux very well, but.. > > Which one is better? Or, may me I missed and there are other coreboot (no > ME) vendors with high-grade Linux support?

Re: Debian-friendly laptop

2021-05-18 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi ! On 2021-05-18 6:28 p.m., George Shuklin wrote: > Well, there are two answers to the questions on support Linux. > > One is full support of hardware by drivers and hardware. Often many > small things are missing, like mice off indicator on x220, or incorrect > support for Fn-based shortcuts.

Re: Debian-friendly laptop

2021-05-18 Thread George Shuklin
Well, there are two answers to the questions on support Linux. One is full support of hardware by drivers and hardware. Often many small things are missing, like mice off indicator on x220, or incorrect support for Fn-based shortcuts. But there is a more important topic. It's support by main

Re: Debian-friendly laptop

2021-05-18 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi ! I've had good experiences with HP EliteBook. I'm not sure what you mean by Linux support. Most laptop today will be supported in Linux, some tweak maybe necessary but they are quite easy. In my case it was the screen that was "turning around" by itself caused by the motion sensor in the

Debian-friendly laptop

2021-05-18 Thread George Shuklin
I'm trying to choose between Purism and System76, and, as far as I understand they both supports linux very well, but.. Which one is better? Or, may me I missed and there are other coreboot (no ME) vendors with high-grade Linux support? I have a negative experience with XPS13 DE (which is