Re: Disabling recommends - was [Re: bash-completion pros/cons]

2020-06-21 Thread Brian
On Sat 20 Jun 2020 at 16:51:12 -0600, Tom Dial wrote: > > > On 6/20/20 13:17, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > On Sb, 20 iun 20, 18:37:31, Brian wrote: > >> On Sat 20 Jun 2020 at 17:53:56 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > >> > >>> On Vi, 19 iun 20, 15:12:27, Tom Dial wrote: > > I notice that

Re: Disabling recommends - was [Re: bash-completion pros/cons]

2020-06-20 Thread Tom Dial
On 6/20/20 13:17, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Sb, 20 iun 20, 18:37:31, Brian wrote: >> On Sat 20 Jun 2020 at 17:53:56 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: >> >>> On Vi, 19 iun 20, 15:12:27, Tom Dial wrote: I notice that tasksel (= /usr/bin/tasksel) is a Perl program in which it appears

Re: Disabling recommends - was [Re: bash-completion pros/cons]

2020-06-20 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 20 iun 20, 18:37:31, Brian wrote: > On Sat 20 Jun 2020 at 17:53:56 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > On Vi, 19 iun 20, 15:12:27, Tom Dial wrote: > > > > > > I notice that tasksel (= /usr/bin/tasksel) is a Perl program in which it > > > appears the "cmd" to be executed once selections are

Re: Disabling recommends - was [Re: bash-completion pros/cons]

2020-06-20 Thread Brian
On Sat 20 Jun 2020 at 17:53:56 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Vi, 19 iun 20, 15:12:27, Tom Dial wrote: > > > > I notice that tasksel (= /usr/bin/tasksel) is a Perl program in which it > > appears the "cmd" to be executed once selections are made (line 24 from > > the end) is > > > > apt-get

Re: Disabling recommends - was [Re: bash-completion pros/cons]

2020-06-20 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 19 iun 20, 09:30:30, David Wright wrote: > > One other benefit: the knowledge and skills you gain in this process > will be far more transferable than a deeper understanding of the d-i. > After all, I haven't gained the impression that you're in technical > charge of rolling out, say, 5000

Re: Disabling recommends - was [Re: bash-completion pros/cons]

2020-06-20 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 19 iun 20, 15:12:27, Tom Dial wrote: > > I notice that tasksel (= /usr/bin/tasksel) is a Perl program in which it > appears the "cmd" to be executed once selections are made (line 24 from > the end) is > > apt-get -q -y -o APT::Install-Recommends=true -o \ > APT::Get::AutomaticRemove=true

Re: Disabling recommends - was [Re: bash-completion pros/cons]

2020-06-19 Thread Brian
On Fri 19 Jun 2020 at 15:12:27 -0600, Tom Dial wrote: > I notice that tasksel (= /usr/bin/tasksel) is a Perl program in which it > appears the "cmd" to be executed once selections are made (line 24 from > the end) is > > apt-get -q -y -o APT::Install-Recommends=true -o \ >

Re: Disabling recommends - was [Re: bash-completion pros/cons]

2020-06-19 Thread Marco Möller
On 19.06.20 23:12, Tom Dial wrote: On 6/19/20 09:28, Brian wrote: On Thu 18 Jun 2020 at 14:15:00 -0500, David Wright wrote: On Wed 17 Jun 2020 at 20:48:50 (+0100), Brian wrote: AFAICT, it appears Recommends are *always* installed using the Installer, irrespective of preseeding. Not

Re: Disabling recommends - was [Re: bash-completion pros/cons]

2020-06-19 Thread Tom Dial
On 6/19/20 09:28, Brian wrote: > On Thu 18 Jun 2020 at 14:15:00 -0500, David Wright wrote: > >> On Wed 17 Jun 2020 at 20:48:50 (+0100), Brian wrote: >>> >>> AFAICT, it appears Recommends are *always* installed using the Installer, >>> irrespective of preseeding. Not *sometimes*. >> >> One or

Re: Disabling recommends - was [Re: bash-completion pros/cons]

2020-06-19 Thread Brian
On Fri 19 Jun 2020 at 06:23:00 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 06/18/2020 10:25 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Mi, 17 iun 20, 06:51:18, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > > > The purpose is to determine if I want to do future installs debootstrap. > > > I attempted to use debootstrap a few years

Re: Disabling recommends - was [Re: bash-completion pros/cons]

2020-06-19 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 09:30:30AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > Why not start with a minimal working system, even adding a few > select tools, and then see what isn't necessary for your own > minimalist system. Now you can try removing them from a *working* > system and, should you go too

Re: Disabling recommends - was [Re: bash-completion pros/cons]

2020-06-19 Thread Brian
On Thu 18 Jun 2020 at 14:15:00 -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Wed 17 Jun 2020 at 20:48:50 (+0100), Brian wrote: > > > > AFAICT, it appears Recommends are *always* installed using the Installer, > > irrespective of preseeding. Not *sometimes*. > > One or two counterexamples are: > >

Re: Disabling recommends - was [Re: bash-completion pros/cons]

2020-06-19 Thread Brian
On Fri 19 Jun 2020 at 06:15:48 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Mi, 17 iun 20, 20:48:50, Brian wrote: > > > > debootstrap is only run during the installation of the base system. It > > installs recommended packages. That is in contradiction to what the > > Manual says. > > For "regular" use

Re: Disabling recommends - was [Re: bash-completion pros/cons]

2020-06-19 Thread David Wright
On Fri 19 Jun 2020 at 06:23:00 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: > On 06/18/2020 10:25 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Mi, 17 iun 20, 06:51:18, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > > > The purpose is to determine if I want to do future installs debootstrap. > > > I attempted to use debootstrap a few years

Re: Disabling recommends - was [Re: bash-completion pros/cons]

2020-06-19 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/18/2020 10:25 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Mi, 17 iun 20, 06:51:18, Richard Owlett wrote: The purpose is to determine if I want to do future installs debootstrap. I attempted to use debootstrap a few years ago and understand it will take some time/effort to learn it. If you are going

Re: Disabling recommends - was [Re: bash-completion pros/cons]

2020-06-18 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 17 iun 20, 06:51:18, Richard Owlett wrote: > > The purpose is to determine if I want to do future installs debootstrap. > I attempted to use debootstrap a few years ago and understand it will take > some time/effort to learn it. If you are going to start from scratch you should consider

Re: Disabling recommends - was [Re: bash-completion pros/cons]

2020-06-18 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 17 iun 20, 20:48:50, Brian wrote: > > debootstrap is only run during the installation of the base system. It > installs recommended packages. That is in contradiction to what the > Manual says. For "regular" use deboostrap does not install Recommends. According to the manpage it does

Re: Disabling recommends - was [Re: bash-completion pros/cons]

2020-06-18 Thread David Wright
On Thu 18 Jun 2020 at 06:48:26 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: > On 06/18/2020 03:13 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 12:53:55AM +0100, Brian wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > No you don't. A user preseeds with > > > > > >recommends=false > > > > > > But you know for a

Re: Disabling recommends - was [Re: bash-completion pros/cons]

2020-06-18 Thread David Wright
On Wed 17 Jun 2020 at 20:48:50 (+0100), Brian wrote: > On Wed 17 Jun 2020 at 14:15:05 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > On Wed 17 Jun 2020 at 18:15:49 (+0100), Brian wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 06:51:18AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > > > > Clarification of my immediate goal: > > >

Re: Disabling recommends - was [Re: bash-completion pros/cons]

2020-06-18 Thread tomas
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 07:50:39PM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Thu 18 Jun 2020 at 14:41:19 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 06:48:26AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: [...] > > > 2. Do I "know" something that is not actually true? > > > > That is anyone's guess. I know

Re: Disabling recommends - was [Re: bash-completion pros/cons]

2020-06-18 Thread Brian
On Thu 18 Jun 2020 at 14:41:19 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 06:48:26AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > On 06/18/2020 03:13 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > >On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 12:53:55AM +0100, Brian wrote: > > > > > >[...] > > > > > >>No you don't. A user

Re: Disabling recommends - was [Re: bash-completion pros/cons]

2020-06-18 Thread tomas
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 06:48:26AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 06/18/2020 03:13 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 12:53:55AM +0100, Brian wrote: > > > >[...] > > > >>No you don't. A user preseeds with > >> > >> recommends=false > >> > >>But you know for a fact that

Re: Disabling recommends - was [Re: bash-completion pros/cons]

2020-06-18 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/18/2020 03:13 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 12:53:55AM +0100, Brian wrote: [...] No you don't. A user preseeds with recommends=false But you know for a fact that this doesn't work. Therefore, an answer to your enquiry > Is there a way to totally disable

Re: Disabling recommends - was [Re: bash-completion pros/cons]

2020-06-18 Thread tomas
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 12:53:55AM +0100, Brian wrote: [...] > No you don't. A user preseeds with > > recommends=false > > But you know for a fact that this doesn't work. Therefore, an answer to > your enquiry > > > Is there a way to totally disable recommends when installing Debian? > >

Re: Disabling recommends - was [Re: bash-completion pros/cons]

2020-06-17 Thread Brian
On Wed 17 Jun 2020 at 06:31:16 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 06/17/2020 06:12 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 04:53:45AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > On 06/17/2020 03:34 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > A couple of those led me to

Re: Disabling recommends - was [Re: bash-completion pros/cons]

2020-06-17 Thread Brian
On Wed 17 Jun 2020 at 14:15:05 -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Wed 17 Jun 2020 at 18:15:49 (+0100), Brian wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 06:51:18AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > > Clarification of my immediate goal: > > > > > > > > Using the ISO of DVD1 I wish to install Debian

Re: Disabling recommends - was [Re: bash-completion pros/cons]

2020-06-17 Thread David Wright
On Wed 17 Jun 2020 at 18:15:49 (+0100), Brian wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 06:51:18AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > Clarification of my immediate goal: > > > > > > Using the ISO of DVD1 I wish to install Debian with "recommends" > > > disabled during the installation process. >

Re: Disabling recommends - was [Re: bash-completion pros/cons]

2020-06-17 Thread Brian
On Wed 17 Jun 2020 at 14:26:31 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 06:51:18AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > [...] > > > Clarification of my immediate goal: > > > > Using the ISO of DVD1 I wish to install Debian with "recommends" > > disabled during the installation

Re: Disabling recommends - was [Re: bash-completion pros/cons]

2020-06-17 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/17/2020 07:26 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 06:51:18AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: [...] Clarification of my immediate goal: Using the ISO of DVD1 I wish to install Debian with "recommends" disabled during the installation process. I can't give you an

Re: Disabling recommends - was [Re: bash-completion pros/cons]

2020-06-17 Thread tomas
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 06:51:18AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: [...] > Clarification of my immediate goal: > > Using the ISO of DVD1 I wish to install Debian with "recommends" > disabled during the installation process. I can't give you an authoritative answer for this one, sorry. > The

Re: Disabling recommends - was [Re: bash-completion pros/cons]

2020-06-17 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/17/2020 06:36 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 06:31:16AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 06/17/2020 06:12 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 04:53:45AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 06/17/2020 03:34 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: [snip] A couple of

Re: Disabling recommends - was [Re: bash-completion pros/cons]

2020-06-17 Thread tomas
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 06:31:16AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 06/17/2020 06:12 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 04:53:45AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > >>On 06/17/2020 03:34 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >>>[snip] > >>> > >>>A couple of those led me to disable

Re: Disabling recommends - was [Re: bash-completion pros/cons]

2020-06-17 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/17/2020 06:12 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 04:53:45AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 06/17/2020 03:34 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: [snip] A couple of those led me to disable recommends completely. It seems I'm a freak monster or sometning ;-@ Is there a way to

Re: Disabling recommends - was [Re: bash-completion pros/cons]

2020-06-17 Thread tomas
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 04:53:45AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 06/17/2020 03:34 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >[snip] > > > >A couple of those led me to disable recommends completely. It seems > >I'm a freak monster or sometning ;-@ > > > > Is there a way to totally disable recommends when

Disabling recommends - was [Re: bash-completion pros/cons]

2020-06-17 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/17/2020 03:34 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: [snip] A couple of those led me to disable recommends completely. It seems I'm a freak monster or sometning ;-@ Is there a way to totally disable recommends when installing Debian? I wish to set up a machine for experimenting to find out what I