Email programs that work.

2006-07-26 Thread djhack
I have been trying different email programs. None of them seem to let me reply to a particular message in the digest. Almost all of the ones I tried so far, when you hit the reply button, copies the *entire* digest into the compose window instead of only the message you wish to reply to. Some o

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-07-27 Thread Magnus Therning
On Wed, Jul 26, 2006 at 17:39:56 -0600, djhack wrote: >I have been trying different email programs. None of them seem to let >me reply to a particular message in the digest. Almost all of the ones >I tried so far, when you hit the reply button, copies the *entire* >digest into the compose window in

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-07-27 Thread Mumia W.
On 07/26/2006 06:39 PM, djhack wrote: I have been trying different email programs. None of them seem to let me reply to a particular message in the digest. Almost all of the ones I tried so far, when you hit the reply button, copies the *entire* digest into the compose window instead of only the

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-07-27 Thread Matej Cepl
djhack wrote: > Kmail - Configured it, and got test messages in and out then it started > to complain the POP3 was broken. Never got any messages from the list. > Could not get it going again. This is not good attitude -- try to find out what's the problem and make it work. We can help you with it

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-07-27 Thread Joe
djhack wrote: I have been trying different email programs. None of them seem to let me reply to a particular message in the digest. Almost all of the ones I tried so far, when you hit the reply button, copies the *entire* digest into the compose window instead of only the message you wish to re

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-07-29 Thread Alexander Sack
On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 10:48:07AM -0400, Matej Cepl wrote: > djhack wrote: > > Kmail - Configured it, and got test messages in and out then it started > > to complain the POP3 was broken. Never got any messages from the list. > > Could not get it going again. > > This is not good attitude -- try

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-24 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-07-26 17:39:56, schrieb djhack: > Thunderbird - Copies entire message at reply. Works fine on my box. > Balsa - Copies entire message at reply. I have tried the suggested "Ctrl > Kmail - Configured it, and got test messages in and out then it started > Evolution - Configured it, and got

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-24 Thread Joseph Le-Phan
Michelle Konzack wrote: > Greetings > Michelle Konzack > Systemadministrator > Tamay Dogan Network > Debian GNU/Linux Consultant > As a friendly suggestion, would it be acceptable to you to move your shameless plug to at least the signature-level? I'd like to filter non-relevant por

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-24 Thread s. keeling
Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Am 2006-07-26 17:39:56, schrieb djhack: > > > > Balsa - Copies entire message at reply. I have tried the suggested "Ctrl > > Those are not MUA's but nightmares > > Try Mutt ;-) I'm a mutt user myself, but balsa's not bad if you insist on a GUI MUA.

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-25 Thread Matej Cepl
Michelle Konzack wrote: >> Thunderbird - Copies entire message at reply. Works fine on my box. >> Balsa - Copies entire message at reply. I have tried the suggested "Ctrl >> Kmail - Configured it, and got test messages in and out then it started >> Evolution - Configured it, and got test messages i

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-25 Thread s. keeling
Matej Cepl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Michelle Konzack wrote: > >> Thunderbird - Copies entire message at reply. Works fine on my box. > >> Balsa - Copies entire message at reply. I have tried the suggested "Ctrl > >> Kmail - Configured it, and got test messages in and out then it started > >> Evoluti

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-26 Thread Wulfy
s. keeling wrote: Matej Cepl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Michelle Konzack wrote: Thunderbird - Copies entire message at reply. Works fine on my box. Balsa - Copies entire message at reply. I have tried the suggested "Ctrl Kmail - Configured it, and got test messages in and out then it started

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-26 Thread Steve Lamb
s. keeling wrote: > mutt "lacking"?!? And you accuse Michelle of being a troll?!? You're > an idiot. HTH. Twit. Ah, yes, the rational response. Sorry, Mutt does lack. It lacks the ability to use the SMTP interface to send mail, being restricted to the command line to get the job done

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-26 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 s. keeling wrote: > Matej Cepl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Michelle Konzack wrote: [snip] > mutt "lacking"?!? And you accuse Michelle of being a troll?!? You're > an idiot. HTH. Twit. That was un-called for. Mutt is *definitely* lacking. In design.

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-26 Thread s. keeling
Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > s. keeling wrote: > > mutt "lacking"?!? And you accuse Michelle of being a troll?!? You're > > an idiot. HTH. Twit. > > Ah, yes, the rational response. Sorry, Mutt does lack. > > It lacks the ability to use the SMTP interface to send mail, being >

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-26 Thread Matej Cepl
s. keeling wrote: > You have a ridiculously complicated "system" for organizing your mail, > and it's mutt's fault for doing what it does well. No. Sorry for previous flame -- I cannot resist, but I am serious -- mutt is lacking. It is not its mistake, it is by design, which has its advantages, b

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-26 Thread Andreas Rippl
On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 01:25:46PM -0400, Matej Cepl wrote: > s. keeling wrote: > > You have a ridiculously complicated "system" for organizing your mail, > > and it's mutt's fault for doing what it does well. No. > > Sorry for previous flame -- I cannot resist, but I am serious -- mutt is > lack

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-26 Thread Mumia W.
On 08/26/2006 11:10 AM, s. keeling wrote: Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: s. keeling wrote: mutt "lacking"?!? And you accuse Michelle of being a troll?!? You're an idiot. HTH. Twit. Ah, yes, the rational response. Sorry, Mutt does lack. It lacks the ability to use the SMTP inte

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-26 Thread Steve Lamb
s. keeling wrote: > Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> It lacks the ability to use the SMTP interface to send mail, being >> restricted to the command line to get the job done. > It's an MUA. Use SMTP. Exactly. I would love to but it can't. >> It lacks filtering. > Like a washi

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-26 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 05:14:27PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > s. keeling wrote: > > Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> It lacks the ability to use the SMTP interface to send mail, being > >> restricted to the command line to get the job done. > > > It's an MUA. Use SMTP. > > Exactly.

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-27 Thread Andreas Rippl
On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 01:50:09PM -0500, Mumia W. wrote: > On 08/26/2006 11:10 AM, s. keeling wrote: > >Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >>s. keeling wrote: > >>>mutt "lacking"?!? And you accuse Michelle of being a troll?!? You're > >>>an idiot. HTH. Twit. > >> Ah, yes, the rational respo

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-27 Thread Matej Cepl
Andreas Rippl wrote: > Generally I tink that it boils down to your requirements in a MUA. I Of course there is one thing which has to be admitted to mutt -- its ability to go be used through ssh. I use it sometimes when I need it, and it is by far the best alternative of that (don't start me to co

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matej Cepl wrote: > Andreas Rippl wrote: >> Generally I tink that it boils down to your requirements in a MUA. I > > Of course there is one thing which has to be admitted to mutt -- its ability > to go be used through ssh. I use it sometimes when I ne

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-27 Thread Paul Scott
Matej Cepl wrote: Andreas Rippl wrote: Generally I tink that it boils down to your requirements in a MUA. I Of course there is one thing which has to be admitted to mutt -- its ability to go be used through ssh. I use it sometimes when I need it, and it is by far the best alternative o

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-27 Thread hendrik
On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 08:45:32AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Matej Cepl wrote: > > Andreas Rippl wrote: > >> Generally I tink that it boils down to your requirements in a MUA. I > > > > Of course there is one thing which has to be admitted to

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-27 Thread Matej Cepl
Paul Scott wrote: > I do this routinely with Thunderbird. You mean ssh -X? How fast is your connection between the Internet and the ssh server? Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/blog/, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Marion St. #3,

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-27 Thread s. keeling
Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > s. keeling wrote: > > Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> It lacks the ability to use the SMTP interface to send mail, being > >> restricted to the command line to get the job done. > > > It's an MUA. Use SMTP. > > Exactly. I would love to but it c

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-27 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 26.08.06 03:55, Steve Lamb wrote: > s. keeling wrote: > > mutt "lacking"?!? And you accuse Michelle of being a troll?!? You're > > an idiot. HTH. Twit. > > Ah, yes, the rational response. Sorry, Mutt does lack. > > It lacks the ability to use the SMTP interface to send mail, being

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-27 Thread Steve Lamb
s. keeling wrote: > Mine uses exim and fetchmail all the time. Which doesn't count if exim's on another box. > Filtering does not belong in the client. mutt's an MUA. It calls > filtering programs to do filtering, as it should. Filtering belongs in the client if one is receiving mail v

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 08:45:32AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > Matej Cepl wrote: Andreas Rippl wrote: > Generally I tink that it boils down to your requirements in a MUA. I Of course there is one thing which has

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-27 Thread Paul Scott
Matej Cepl wrote: Paul Scott wrote: I do this routinely with Thunderbird. You mean ssh -X? Yes. How fast is your connection between the Internet and the ssh server? 256K bits/sec. It's not great but it works. I know I need to set up an IMAP server or at least have fetchmail br

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-27 Thread Steve Lamb
Paul Scott wrote: > The slowness of Thunderbird in this setup is worth it with as many mail > folders as I have. I can tell at a glance which folders have unread > mail in them. How would I do that with mutt? You don't. There's a command that can kinda show you but you have to tap it consta

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-27 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 07:23:59PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Paul Scott wrote: > > The slowness of Thunderbird in this setup is worth it with as many mail > > folders as I have. I can tell at a glance which folders have unread > > mail in them. How would I do that with mutt? > > You don't.

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 07:23:59PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: >> Paul Scott wrote: >>> The slowness of Thunderbird in this setup is worth it with as many mail >>> folders as I have. I can tell at a glance which folders have u

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-27 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 10:04:03PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 07:23:59PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > >> Paul Scott wrote: > >>> The slowness of Thunderbird in this setup is worth it with as many mail > >>> folders as I have. I can tell at a gla

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 10:04:03PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: >> Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: >>> On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 07:23:59PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: Paul Scott wrote: [snip] >>> But mutt-ng, which includes th

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-27 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 10:14:42PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 10:04:03PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > >> Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > >>> On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 07:23:59PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Paul Scott wrote: > [snip] > > >>>

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Martin Möller
* Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [26-08-2006 05:57:04 -0500]: > Mutt is *definitely* lacking. In design. Yes, mutt is lacking if you compare it with e.g. KMail because mutt is only a MUA, which requires the services of a MTA (sendmail or such) for delivering the mail (via SMTP) and fetchmail/sen

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Steve Lamb
Martin Möller wrote: > One could ask of course, if the whole mta,mda,mua concept is too complex > and time-consuming for a single user wanting to read his mail. One could > also ask if the whole debian concept is too complex for a single user > who just wants to write a letter and print it out. Win

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin Möller wrote: > * Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [26-08-2006 05:57:04 > -0500]: >> Mutt is *definitely* lacking. In design. > > Yes, mutt is lacking if you compare it with e.g. KMail because No, that's not what I'm talking about. I assert t

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Micha Feigin
It lacks a folders column and hebrew support ... On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 23:29:51 +0200 Matus UHLAR - fantomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 26.08.06 03:55, Steve Lamb wrote: > > s. keeling wrote: > > > mutt "lacking"?!? And you accuse Michelle of being a troll?!? You're > > > an idiot. HTH. Tw

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 12:23:19PM +0300, Micha Feigin wrote: > It lacks a folders column and hebrew support ... > Not sure about Hebrew and other non-Latin-character languages, but the folder column is available in mutt-ng. Unfortunately there are many nifty patches out there which have necessit

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-08-25 03:40:08, schrieb s. keeling: > I'm a mutt user myself, but balsa's not bad if you insist on a GUI > MUA. I'm not very knowledgable about what it really can do (verify > gpg, thread, etc), but it was relatively usable when I found myself > forced to use it. I agree with your other

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-08-25 10:35:16, schrieb Matej Cepl: > I have used mutt for couple of years and found it lacking so I switched to > kmail, which is much powerful for my purposes. Aside from being troll and > self-promoting ass, what do you know about these other MUAs that you can > talk about them so autho

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Raquel
On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 00:17:34 +0200 Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Unfortunatly I must install then a my customers... > > ;-) > > ...since you can not give a Office-Worker in an Insurance or > Enterprise mutt to work. They have not the "head" for such MUS's. > - I's to heavy. > >

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 28.08.06 12:23, Micha Feigin wrote: > It lacks a folders column and hebrew support ... And which one of the features I asked below does this belong under? Could you next time quote exactly the part of my mail so I know? Sorry, I know mutt does not have "folders column" but I have neved needed

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 07:23:59PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > You don't. There's a command that can kinda show you but you have to tap > it constantly for it to update. There is no auto-updating new mail list. Mutt can't directly show you new mail in an IMAP store. True enough. It has no t

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Micha Feigin
On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 00:15:25 +0200 Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Am 2006-08-25 03:40:08, schrieb s. keeling: > > > I'm a mutt user myself, but balsa's not bad if you insist on a GUI > > MUA. I'm not very knowledgable about what it really can do (verify > > gpg, thread, etc), but

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Gnu-Raiz
Ron Johnson down in the bayou wrote: >Showing my grey beard: WordStar was excellently-designed TUI >software. All was based on the keyborad "home row", most commands >were 2 strokes: "group"+"command". Help screens were layered and >rational. You could have help *always* on half the screen, >*t

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Raquel
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:44:12 +0300 Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sylpheed claws has some issues with selecting messages for > deletion using the keyboard (for deleting a group of messages), > but it may be a problem with my setup (it doesn't seem like > whoever looked at the bug didn't

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Marc Shapiro
Raquel wrote: On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:44:12 +0300 Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sylpheed claws has some issues with selecting messages for deletion using the keyboard (for deleting a group of messages), but it may be a problem with my setup (it doesn't seem like whoever looked at t

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Micha Feigin
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:20:03 +0200 Matus UHLAR - fantomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 28.08.06 12:23, Micha Feigin wrote: > > It lacks a folders column and hebrew support ... > > And which one of the features I asked below does this belong under? > Could you next time quote exactly the part o

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Micha Feigin
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:58:31 -0700 Raquel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:44:12 +0300 > Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Sylpheed claws has some issues with selecting messages for > > deletion using the keyboard (for deleting a group of messages), > > but it may b

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Raquel
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:11:05 -0700 Marc Shapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >I've chosen not to use "claws" because of things I didn't like > >about it, including some things I thought were "bugs". I use the > >plain vanilla Sylpheed. > > > > > Does Sylpheed handle mbox style mailboxes, ye

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Andrei Popescu
Marc Shapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Raquel wrote: > > >On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:44:12 +0300 > >Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > >>Sylpheed claws has some issues with selecting messages for > >>deletion using the keyboard (for deleting a group of messages), > >>but it ma

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Rob Sims
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 10:13:39PM +0300, Micha Feigin wrote: > But I have messages separated into about a dozen folders (I know of people who > use more). I want to know which one has new mail, I want to read the mail in > the important folders before mailing lists, usually I want to know if I hav

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marc Wilson wrote: > On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 07:23:59PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: >> You don't. There's a command that can kinda show you but you have to tap >> it constantly for it to update. There is no auto-updating new mail list. > > Mutt can

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Micha Feigin
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:37:50 -0700 Raquel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:11:05 -0700 > Marc Shapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > >I've chosen not to use "claws" because of things I didn't like > > >about it, including some things I thought were "bugs". I use the >

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Micha Feigin
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:00:54 -0600 Rob Sims <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 10:13:39PM +0300, Micha Feigin wrote: > > But I have messages separated into about a dozen folders (I know of people > > who use more). I want to know which one has new mail, I want to read the > > mai

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Steve Lamb
Rob Sims wrote: > In mutt, 'y' gives me a list of folders and a message count per folder. Yes, now update it... without touching the keyboard... Whoops. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream? PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | And dream I do...

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Steve Lamb
Marc Wilson wrote: > On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 07:23:59PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: >> You don't. There's a command that can kinda show you but you have to tap >> it constantly for it to update. There is no auto-updating new mail list. > Mutt can't directly show you new mail in an IMAP store.

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Steve Lamb
Gnu-Raiz wrote: > the big deal. With googles new software such as writely, and their > spreadsheet program, you won't need to save anything to your home > system harddrive anyway. Other than those pesky privacy issues. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream?

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Marc Shapiro
Steve Lamb wrote: Gnu-Raiz wrote: the big deal. With googles new software such as writely, and their spreadsheet program, you won't need to save anything to your home system harddrive anyway. Other than those pesky privacy issues. Well, Steve, I'm actually with you on this one.

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Marc Wilson
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 01:58:14AM +0300, Micha Feigin wrote: > On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:00:54 -0600 > Rob Sims <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > In mutt, 'y' gives me a list of folders and a message count per folder. > > Last time I worked with mutt I didn't see this This is why mutt has documenta

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 04:54:06PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Filtering belongs in the client if one is receiving mail via POP, which is > a part of the client. I'm still trying to figure this one out. You think filtering belongs on the client, yet you read mail from multiple locations and us

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Steve Lamb
Marc Wilson wrote: > I'm still trying to figure this one out. You think filtering belongs on > the client, yet you read mail from multiple locations and use IMAP. How do > you reconcile the two? Use offlineimap everywhere? No. Just because I think filtering belongs in the client doesn't me

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Marc Wilson
On Wed, Jul 26, 2006 at 05:39:56PM -0600, djhack wrote: > Thunderbird - Copies entire message at reply. Works fine on my box. For all you thunderbird users... 1) when will thunderbird finally gain "reply to list"? I could have sworn I saw a patch go by not too long ago somewhere. 2) if a messag

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Mathias Brodala
Hello Marc. > 1) when will thunderbird finally gain "reply to list"? I could have sworn > I saw a patch go by not too long ago somewhere. Officially with version 3.0. But the mentioned patch is included in TB 1.5.0.5 thanks to the TB package maintainers. Regards, Mathias PS: Yep, I „replied

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Marc Wilson
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 04:10:34AM +0200, Mathias Brodala wrote: > Hello Marc. > > > 1) when will thunderbird finally gain "reply to list"? I could have sworn > > I saw a patch go by not too long ago somewhere. > > Officially with version 3.0. But the mentioned patch is included in TB > 1.5.0.5

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Mathias Brodala
Hello Marc. >> But the mentioned patch is included in TB 1.5.0.5 thanks >> to the TB package maintainers. > > And, of course, there's no documentation provided anywhere of how to use it. I think it is not very difficult to search for „thunderbird reply-to-list“ via $searchengine and find Peter M

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Marc Wilson
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 07:00:26PM -0700, Marc Wilson wrote: > On Wed, Jul 26, 2006 at 05:39:56PM -0600, djhack wrote: > > Thunderbird - Copies entire message at reply. Works fine on my box. > > For all you thunderbird users... Forgot one: 5) when will Mozilla-based applications finally start cr

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Marc Wilson
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 05:36:48PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Oddly enough I open up Thunderbird which connects to my IMAP store and it > knows how much new mail is in each folder without me going into them. Of course this process works *so* well in thunderbird that not only is there a setting

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Steve Lamb
Marc Wilson wrote: > 1) when will thunderbird finally gain "reply to list"? I could have sworn > I saw a patch go by not too long ago somewhere. Against the next major release. Which was part of the patch notes from the onset. > 3) How do I tell thunderbird to stop with its idiotic represen

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Marc Wilson
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 04:10:34AM +0200, Mathias Brodala wrote: > Hello Marc. > > > 1) when will thunderbird finally gain "reply to list"? I could have sworn > > I saw a patch go by not too long ago somewhere. > > Officially with version 3.0. But the mentioned patch is included in TB > 1.5.0.5

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Marc Wilson
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 07:00:26PM -0700, Marc Wilson wrote: > On Wed, Jul 26, 2006 at 05:39:56PM -0600, djhack wrote: > > Thunderbird - Copies entire message at reply. Works fine on my box. > > For all you thunderbird users... And another one... 6) dialogs that obviously need scroll bars that d

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Steve Lamb
Marc Wilson wrote: > Oh, no... not at all. Thunderbird doesn't require *any* fiddling > whatsoever. I never said that, nice strawman. > Feh. Who does Steve Lamb think he's kidding, anyway? No one. I stand by what I said. I've never once led on that TBird doesn't have warts. But cosm

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Marc Wilson
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 08:15:11PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > > 4) how can I cause thunderbird to automatically purge a set of mail folders > > according to a set of rules? Or does that require one of those pesky > > additional programs? What if the mail isn't local? > > Uhhh, right click?

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marc Wilson wrote: > On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 05:36:48PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: [snip] > We'll leave aside the asinine idea that a collapsed message > thread with new messages in it is not itself highlighted like the > unread messages are. Such threa

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marc Wilson wrote: > On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 07:00:26PM -0700, Marc Wilson wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 26, 2006 at 05:39:56PM -0600, djhack wrote: >>> Thunderbird - Copies entire message at reply. Works fine on my box. >> For all you thunderbird users... >

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Steve Lamb
Marc Wilson wrote: > Uhhh, no. Either you delete all but the last n messages, or you delete > messages older than n days. That's not "according to a set of rules". > That's remarkably inflexible. That is according to a set of rules. A limited set of rules but those *are* rules. > Oh, and a

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marc Wilson wrote: > On Wed, Jul 26, 2006 at 05:39:56PM -0600, djhack wrote: >> Thunderbird - Copies entire message at reply. Works fine on my box. > > For all you thunderbird users... > > 1) when will thunderbird finally gain "reply to list"? I cou

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve Lamb wrote: > Marc Wilson wrote: >> Uhhh, no. Either you delete all but the last n messages, or you delete >> messages older than n days. That's not "according to a set of rules". >> That's remarkably inflexible. > > That is according to a

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Steve Lamb
Ron Johnson wrote: > Steve Lamb wrote: >> That is according to a set of rules. A limited set of rules but those >> *are* rules. > You just pulled a "Paul". Didn't just move to Oregon, did you? That's not a Paul. If you note the Marc asked for "a set of rules". Those are a set of rules.

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-28 Thread Mumia W.
On 08/28/2006 10:09 PM, Marc Wilson wrote: On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 05:36:48PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: Oddly enough I open up Thunderbird which connects to my IMAP store and it knows how much new mail is in each folder without me going into them. Of course this process works *so* well in t

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Steve Lamb
Mathias Brodala wrote: > Officially with version 3.0. But the mentioned patch is included in TB > 1.5.0.5 thanks to the TB package maintainers. Oh my, Mathias, thank you for mentioning this. 10 seconds later and one less wart on Thunderbird. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who decid

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve Lamb wrote: > Mathias Brodala wrote: >> Officially with version 3.0. But the mentioned patch is included in TB >> 1.5.0.5 thanks to the TB package maintainers. > > Oh my, Mathias, thank you for mentioning this. 10 seconds later and one > le

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread CJ van den Berg
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 05:36:48PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Marc Wilson wrote: > > Whenever *I* go back to my folder list, new is clearly marked. > > Just wait, it won't. Yes, it will. If it doesn't, then your filesystem is probably mounted noatime. Mutt uses the filesystem's atime to deter

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Mathias Brodala
Hello Marc. >> […] the mentioned patch is included in TB 1.5.0.5 thanks to >> the TB package maintainers. > > And what arcana are necessary to make it *work*, other than installing > Enigmail and Reply-To-List? All of Debian's mailing lists include > List-Post:, but none of them are apparently a

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Steve Lamb
CJ van den Berg wrote: > Yes, it will. If it doesn't, then your filesystem is probably mounted > noatime. Mutt uses the filesystem's atime to determine whether mbox files > contain new mail. Uh, since mutt's main display never updated when I was on that screen the display never updated when n

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Dmitri Minaev
On 8/28/06, Matus UHLAR - fantomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It lacks a decent IMAP implementation. Hint, IMAP is not a glorified POP. I know, I use mutt with imap and I don't have problems wiht it. What IMAP features do you miss? If you pardon my jumping in, gentlemen, I would say that Mu

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Steve Lamb
Dmitri Minaev wrote: > I use Sylpheed. Not a gem, but suitable, especially with full > keyboard control. I could live with TB, too, but I was too annoyed by > its' inability to copy a sent message to 'Sent' IMAP folder (recent > messages at mozillazine forums show that the problem still > persists.

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Dmitri Minaev
On 8/29/06, Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dmitri Minaev wrote: > I use Sylpheed. Not a gem, but suitable, especially with full > keyboard control. I could live with TB, too, but I was too annoyed by > its' inability to copy a sent message to 'Sent' IMAP folder (recent > messages at mozill

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve Lamb wrote: > CJ van den Berg wrote: >> Yes, it will. If it doesn't, then your filesystem is probably mounted >> noatime. Mutt uses the filesystem's atime to determine whether mbox files >> contain new mail. > > Uh, since mutt's main displa

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Steve Lamb
Dmitri Minaev wrote: > If I don't trust my own eyes, what else do I have to believe? :) I > experienced this problem and this experience was the reason to drop > (reluctantly, though) Firefox. And I see > (http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=2451257) that other > people have this problem,

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dmitri Minaev wrote: > On 8/28/06, Matus UHLAR - fantomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > keyboard control. I could live with TB, too, but I was too > annoyed by its' inability to copy a sent message to 'Sent' IMAP > folder (recent messages at mozi

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread CJ van den Berg
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 06:51:39AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Steve Lamb wrote: > > CJ van den Berg wrote: > >> Yes, it will. If it doesn't, then your filesystem is probably mounted > >> noatime. Mutt uses the filesystem's atime to determine whe

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dmitri Minaev wrote: > On 8/29/06, Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Dmitri Minaev wrote: >> > I use Sylpheed. Not a gem, but suitable, especially with full >> > keyboard control. I could live with TB, too, but I was too annoyed by >> > its' ina

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Pollywog
I did not know Mulberry was still around. I thought it was no longer under development. I was a Sylpheed Claws user until I began using IMAP, then it no longer worked for me, but fortunately kmail has developed into a nice mailer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subjec

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 CJ van den Berg wrote: > On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 06:51:39AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Steve Lamb wrote: >>> CJ van den Berg wrote: Yes, it will. If it doesn't, then your filesystem is proba

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Dmitri Minaev
On 8/29/06, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Really? I've been doing that ever since I started using Tbird. Here's a window shot of how I configured Edit->"Account Settings": That's exactly what I used to do :( I'll try and switch to 'Other', as Steve has advised. Hope, that'll help.

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