On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 11:33:28PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
What _is_ the point of this message? Are you saying that woody
is not yet release quality? We know that already. Are you trying to
say installing Debian is harder than installing other distributions,
despite our recent
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On Wed, 06 Mar 2002 16:33, Simon Hepburn wrote:
On Wednesday 06 Mar 2002 2:25 am, Corrin Lakeland wrote:
Firstly, stable vs woody. We recently had a thread on -devel where we
concluded that ordinary users are best running testing. You can't
Corrin Lakeland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I agree, and if Harry had criticised the CDs then I would have refuted that.
But, looking at Harry's problems, none of them were caused by the
installation CD which (by luck more than anything) appeared to work
perfectly. So, I don't think it is
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I've been ignoring this thread for a while, but I thought I'd add some support
for Harry's point of view here.
Firstly, stable vs woody. We recently had a thread on -devel where we
concluded that ordinary users are best running testing. You can't
On Wednesday 06 Mar 2002 2:25 am, Corrin Lakeland wrote:
Firstly, stable vs woody. We recently had a thread on -devel where we
concluded that ordinary users are best running testing. You can't complain
they have a hard time installing testing when that is what we tell them to
run. Yes the
Corrin == Corrin Lakeland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Corrin I've been ignoring this thread for a while, but I thought I'd
Corrin add some support for Harry's point of view here.
Actually, I would like to know what that is. Do we have
problems with testing/unstable? Yes, that is why
On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 11:48:18PM -0800, Harry Putnam wrote:
You can keep right on with the `hard guy' routine, but I think its
only fair to warn you that my whole body is a weapon. Hands
registered on 3 continents. The last guy that called me a juvenile
banterer is pushing up daisies on a
Petro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 11:48:18PM -0800, Harry Putnam wrote:
You can keep right on with the `hard guy' routine, but I think its
only fair to warn you that my whole body is a weapon. Hands
registered on 3 continents. The last guy that called me a juvenile
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Harry You can keep right on with the `hard guy' routine, but I think its
Harry only fair to warn you that my whole body is a weapon. Hands
Harry registered on 3 continents. The last guy that called me a juvenile
Harry banterer is pushing up
At 07:56 PM 3/1/02, Carel Fellinger wrote:
On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 03:40:14PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Manoj, please relax.
[[ There must be something wrong with the mail system somewhere,
there seems to be a hudge time gap between posting to the list and
receiving, and judging
On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 05:52:51PM -0800, Harry Putnam wrote:
| dman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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| [...]
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| | A couple of posters have mentioned a network install. Where are the
| | details spelled out?
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| http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install
|
| I read that over a bit
Harry == Harry Putnam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Harry Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Considering you are asking about pre-release, unstable, wildly
unusable software on a users list, rather than the developers one, it
should come as no surprise no one would be able to offer any
Carel Fellinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
received valuable help and turns out to be okee afterall. It appeared
that in the install he was adviced to use a certain driver for his
nic, turned out to be the wrong driver. Thanks to the list, he's back
Close, but it was actually a helpful poster
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
All I hear from Woody is `can't won't or doesn't' And this on a
machine that has had 2 flavors of linux, 2 of the BSDs and Solaris
(intel) install successfully. Hardware recognized etc.
I do have a hard time being patient with people
dman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Sure. As I look it over again (it's been a while since I read it),
the first sentence of Chapter 5 is :
You can install Debian from a variety of sources, both local (CD,
hard disk, floppies) and remote (FTP, NFS, PPP, HTTP).
Note the FTP and HTTP.
Em Sáb, 2002-03-02 às 02:58, Harry Putnam escreveu:
Carel Fellinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
received valuable help and turns out to be okee afterall. It appeared
that in the install he was adviced to use a certain driver for his
nic, turned out to be the wrong driver. Thanks to the
On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 11:57:09PM -0800, Harry Putnam wrote:
In the threads here I've put together a whole plan of
attack. Involving editing the sources.list. Knowing how to get going
with the nic. A series of commands for apt-get that clean things up
and get ready to install a more fleshed
Michel Loos [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Mmm, I am quit used to install, 3com NICs and I humbly think you
mixed 509 with 905, there is nothing in the description of the 3c509
that says it should work with a 3c905.
The 3c509(B/TX) are old 10Mb ISA NICs, while you wher looking for the
3c905B
a
On Sat, Mar 02, 2002 at 04:49:43PM -0800, Harry Putnam wrote:
| Michel Loos [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
|
| Mmm, I am quit used to install, 3com NICs and I humbly think you
| mixed 509 with 905, there is nothing in the description of the 3c509
| that says it should work with a 3c905.
| The
Harry == Harry Putnam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Harry Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
All I hear from Woody is `can't won't or doesn't' And this on a
machine that has had 2 flavors of linux, 2 of the BSDs and Solaris
(intel) install successfully. Hardware recognized etc.
said Harry Putnam (on 2002-02-28),
But, really, give Potato a try -- it won't take more than another 2 hours
to do a full-on installation of it, and if it works -- well, that's just
I'd have to get it first. And I did already spend $40 on this adventure.
Not a forture to be sure, but I'd
said Harry Putnam (on 2002-02-28),
A couple of posters have mentioned a network install. Where are the
details spelled out? Are we talking installing from a running
machine? Already network enabled? My situation is that I have 2
desktops before me. A full well used redhat 7.1 on one
%% Harry Putnam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You can try installing a base potato system, then dist-upgrade to
woody. This has worked for me on several systems.
hp A couple of posters have mentioned a network install. Where are
hp the details spelled out? Are we talking installing from
I'll forward #1 to the boot floppies guys, since it is a valid
observation.
#2 .. debian does not do hardware autodetection. If you don't like that,
you're welcome to use any of the other fine linux distibutions that do.
Harry Putnam wrote:
3) The real capper to my view was that after wading
On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 05:25:01PM -0600, Timothy R. Butler wrote:
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| You can try installing a base potato system, then dist-upgrade to
| woody. This has worked for me on several systems.
|
| Just out of curiosity, if someone is planning to use Woody, wouldn't it be
| easier to get the
Harry Putnam, 2002-Feb-28 15:06 -0800:
1) There doesn't seem to be any thorough probe of hardware. If there
is it is not working here. And as I mentioned, even the intel
version of solaris, which is notorious for being picky about
hardware, probed and found everthing. So without
On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 08:48, dman wrote:
On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 05:25:01PM -0600, Timothy R. Butler wrote:
|
| You can try installing a base potato system, then dist-upgrade to
| woody. This has worked for me on several systems.
snip
| BTW, to the original poster: Don't bother with
On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 06:19:59PM -0800, Vineet Kumar wrote:
| * Harry Putnam ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020228 18:14]:
| Geordie Birch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
|
| At least `woody' sounded.. well erect :-
| why don't you lose all those cd's, do a network install of stable,
| then,
Harry == Harry Putnam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Harry Anyone who wants the official 6 CD set of woody 3.0
Harry Can send me an address privately. First one I get in my inbox with
Harry snailmail address will get the cds mailed to them.
You have been conned. Woody 3.0 is in a
On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 03:40:14PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Manoj, please relax.
[[ There must be something wrong with the mail system somewhere,
there seems to be a hudge time gap between posting to the list and
receiving, and judging from your blunt reaction, for some the gap
is
dman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[...]
| A couple of posters have mentioned a network install. Where are the
| details spelled out?
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install
I read that over a bit before asking the above question. I'll admit I
didn't read all of it word for word
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Considering you are asking about pre-release, unstable, wildly
unusable software on a users list, rather than the developers one, it
should come as no surprise no one would be able to offer any help.
Horse pucky.
Manoj, you do a disservice
Anyone who wants the official 6 CD set of woody 3.0
Can send me an address privately. First one I get in my inbox with
snailmail address will get the cds mailed to them.
I've burned up 2 full days, gotten no help whatever from the list.
Found the install routines to be unusable.
All I hear from
On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 09:38:20AM -0800, Harry Putnam wrote:
Anyone who wants the official 6 CD set of woody 3.0
Can send me an address privately. First one I get in my inbox with
snailmail address will get the cds mailed to them.
I've burned up 2 full days, gotten no help whatever from
On 28-Feb-2002 Harry Putnam wrote:
Anyone who wants the official 6 CD set of woody 3.0
Can send me an address privately. First one I get in my inbox with
snailmail address will get the cds mailed to them.
If you could send a more detailed explanation to me I will forward it on to the
other
Harry,
I'm curious what kind of problems you are having specifically. I did a
netinst install of Woody two weeks ago, with absoutely no prior Debian
experience, and I was able to get a working system in about two days (less if
I had known what I've found out now).
This is a lot more work
Are we to understand that you bought cds of a version that is still
changeing constantly? Why? From whom? Why?
Bob
On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 09:38:20AM -0800, Harry Putnam wrote:
Anyone who wants the official 6 CD set of woody 3.0
Can send me an address privately. First one I get in my inbox
said Harry Putnam (on 2002-02-28),
Maybe I should have tried the released version, but something about
the name `potato' puts one in mind of a large overweight weak
vegetable lying on a couch.
At least `woody' sounded.. well erect :-)
why don't you lose all those cd's, do a
Harris
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From: Harry Putnam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:38 AM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Enough time wasted, moving on
Anyone who wants the official 6 CD set of woody 3.0
Can send me an address privately. First one I get
On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 09:38:20AM -0800, Harry Putnam wrote:
| Anyone who wants the official 6 CD set of woody 3.0
| Can send me an address privately. First one I get in my inbox with
| snailmail address will get the cds mailed to them.
Hmm, woody hasn't been officially released yet. If you
Harry Putnam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Anyone who wants the official 6 CD set of woody 3.0
Can send me an address privately. First one I get in my inbox with
snailmail address will get the cds mailed to them.
Harry, woody hasn't been released yet, so there are no official CDs
yet. Since
Harry Putnam wrote:
I've burned up 2 full days, gotten no help whatever from the list.
Found the install routines to be unusable.
Same here on the last two counts, except
it's been two weeks with Potato r5.
And supposedly nothing goes out (paraphrasing
the debian.org Web site) until it
sniip
Maybe I should have tried the released version, but something about
the name `potato' puts one in mind of a large overweight weak
vegetable lying on a couch.
Well, couch potato might be a good description for potato's
up-to-dateness. FWIW, however, I installed potato first
the list.
Found the install routines to be unusable.
How much did you post to the list? I can only find the following
threads:
Fresh install no network
Neighbor table overflow.. what does it mean
Configuring locales
Enough time wasted, moving on
All of which have (now) been answered
On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 09:38:20AM -0800, Harry Putnam wrote:
I've burned up 2 full days, gotten no help whatever from the list.
Found the install routines to be unusable.
All I hear from Woody is `can't won't or doesn't'
Very sorry to read that. Last summer, I got a beta woody CD (at
p [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[...]
...asleep at the switch and ...homeboy packaging: man, woody
really tore you up. (but it's just something that's in testing
mode though, right?)
Hey, those aren't swear words you know.. :-)
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If you could
Geordie Birch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
At least `woody' sounded.. well erect :-
why don't you lose all those cd's, do a network install of stable,
then, before installing _anything_ beyond base, apt-get dist-upgrade to
testing or unstable?
dman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[...]
You can try installing a base potato system, then dist-upgrade to
woody. This has worked for me on several systems.
Just out of curiosity, if someone is planning to use Woody, wouldn't it be
easier to get the Woody netinst CD, and go directly to Woody? I didn't
encounter any problems with
Hi,
And supposedly nothing goes out (paraphrasing
the debian.org Web site) until it installs
and works as advertised. BS like Mickeysoft
I think it's safe to say that what they say is true. Perhaps you are just
having trouble setting something up rather than it being Debian's fault?
On Thursday 28 February 2002 09:38 am, Harry Putnam wrote:
Anyone who wants the official 6 CD set of woody 3.0
Can send me an address privately. First one I get in my inbox with
snailmail address will get the cds mailed to them.
[snip]
who, or what is the sphere? you got ripped off (how much
On Thursday 28 February 2002 01:38 pm, Keith Parkansky wrote:
Harry Putnam wrote:
I've burned up 2 full days, gotten no help whatever from the list.
Found the install routines to be unusable.
Same here on the last two counts, except
it's been two weeks with Potato r5.
And supposedly
Karl E. Jorgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
How much did you post to the list? I can only find the following
threads:
Fresh install no network
Neighbor table overflow.. what does it mean
Configuring locales
Enough time wasted, moving on
You may have a point
On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 12:28:52PM -0800, Harris, Jason wrote:
I've scores of Debian boxes that are used for revenue generating ventures.
Downtime is not an option for me nor for who I answer to. I thought it was
basically understood in the IT world (whatever os or software you use) that
you
Timothy R. Butler wrote:
I think it's safe to say that what they say is true. Perhaps you are just
having trouble setting something up rather than it being Debian's fault?
There's not much I can screw up three steps into the installation
(See my 2.2r5 Kernel Module Install Failure which
* Harry Putnam ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020228 18:14]:
Geordie Birch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
At least `woody' sounded.. well erect :-
why don't you lose all those cd's, do a network install of stable,
then, before installing _anything_ beyond base, apt-get dist-upgrade to
testing
Quoting Harry Putnam [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Bob Thibodeau [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Are we to understand that you bought cds of a version that is still
changeing constantly? Why? From whom? Why?
From the links on Debian home pages followed in this order:
http://www.debian.org/CD/ Buy
Hi Harry,
1) There doesn't seem to be any thorough probe of hardware. If there
is it is not working here. And as I mentioned, even the intel
version of solaris, which is notorious for being picky about
hardware, probed and found everthing. So without getting into
specific
At 08:19 PM 2/28/2002, you wrote:
On Thu, Feb 28, 2002 at 12:28:52PM -0800, Harris, Jason wrote:
I've scores of Debian boxes that are used for revenue generating ventures.
Downtime is not an option for me nor for who I answer to. I thought it was
basically understood in the IT world
Quoting Harry Putnam [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Karl E. Jorgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
How much did you post to the list? I can only find the following
threads:
Fresh install no network
Neighbor table overflow.. what does it mean
Configuring locales
Enough time wasted
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