Re: PDF printing - was: Re: Flash is open?

2010-06-16 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 15:46 -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 13:50 +, Camaleón wrote: > > On Sat, 15 May 2010 08:52:21 -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 10:05 +, Camaleón wrote: > > > > >> Linux PDF "readers" are in a very good sh

Re: Huh?? (was Re: Flash is open?)

2010-05-17 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 02:32:23PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 05/14/2010 02:22 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: > [snip] >> >> But in either case, for users who care about their Freedom, both Flash >> and Javascript are real threats, because even if you use a Free Software >> implementation of the lan

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-16 Thread Steve Fishpaste
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 06:16:11PM +0200, Sjoerd Hardeman uttered: > Op 15-05-10 14:43, Steve Fishpaste schreef: > > On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 01:08:43AM +0200, Michelle Konzack uttered: > >> Hello Steve Fishpaste, > >> > >> Am 2010-05-14 18:48:21, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: > >>> There are some

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-16 Thread godo
IE6 in on the way out. I didn't say it would be easy. But I can advocate, right? MAA Sure :-) -- Bye, Goran Dobosevic Hrvatski: www.dobosevic.com English: www.dobosevic.com/en/ Registered Linux User #503414 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subjec

Re: PDF printing - was: Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-16 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 15 May 2010 18:25:22 -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 20:31 +, Camaleón wrote: >> 2/ Printer settings (in CUPS) and PDF viewer settings paper size for >> printing. These values are also important, I mean, if you are sending a >> PDF file with a custom size yo

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-16 Thread Mark Allums
On 5/15/2010 11:50 PM, godo wrote: In fact, that is what I advocate: Improving Javascript. Also, note: Do not confuse Javascript with Java. Two entirely different animals. MAA Is it really possible in real life? I mean you can have 100% nice working javascript but probably will not working

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-15 Thread godo
In fact, that is what I advocate: Improving Javascript. Also, note: Do not confuse Javascript with Java. Two entirely different animals. MAA Is it really possible in real life? I mean you can have 100% nice working javascript but probably will not working how it should in IE because M$ hav

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-15 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> I'm not judging whether that attitude is right or not, I'm just giving >> it as an explanation why you don't see good support for PDF >> editing here. It's a problem that most people don't even bump into >> (except when they receive forms from the Windows world). > > I would disagree. You don

Re: PDF printing - was: Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-15 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 20:31 +, Camaleón wrote: > On Sat, 15 May 2010 15:46:36 -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > > On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 13:50 +, Camaleón wrote: > > >> Mmmm... I'm not sure to fully understand the problem :-? > > (...) > > >> Is that what are you referring about or

Re: PDF printing - was: Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-15 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 15 May 2010 15:46:36 -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 13:50 +, Camaleón wrote: >> Mmmm... I'm not sure to fully understand the problem :-? (...) >> Is that what are you referring about or are you (or your clients) >> experiencig another problem? > In this

PDF printing - was: Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-15 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 13:50 +, Camaleón wrote: > On Sat, 15 May 2010 08:52:21 -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > > On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 10:05 +, Camaleón wrote: > > >> Linux PDF "readers" are in a very good shape. In fact, I don't even > >> have Acrobat Reader installed on my linux s

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-15 Thread Mark Allums
On 5/15/2010 11:16 AM, Sjoerd Hardeman wrote: Op 15-05-10 14:43, Steve Fishpaste schreef: On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 01:08:43AM +0200, Michelle Konzack uttered: Hello Steve Fishpaste, Am 2010-05-14 18:48:21, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: There are some printers that use GNU/FLOSS to you know.

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-15 Thread Sjoerd Hardeman
Op 15-05-10 14:43, Steve Fishpaste schreef: > On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 01:08:43AM +0200, Michelle Konzack uttered: >> Hello Steve Fishpaste, >> >> Am 2010-05-14 18:48:21, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: >>> There are some printers that use GNU/FLOSS to you know. 8) Got to be >>> careful being so inc

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-15 Thread Mark Allums
On 5/14/2010 6:13 PM, Michelle Konzack wrote: Hello Mark Allums, Am 2010-05-14 07:39:47, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: Flash may not be a priority, sense it performs two functions. One, it acts as the standard web video player. Two, it tries to be a standard web programming interface and SD

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-15 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 15 May 2010 08:52:21 -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 10:05 +, Camaleón wrote: >> Linux PDF "readers" are in a very good shape. In fact, I don't even >> have Acrobat Reader installed on my linux systems. > I thought this, too, until recently when working wit

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-15 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 10:05 +, Camaleón wrote: > On Sat, 15 May 2010 01:07:28 +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: > Linux PDF "readers" are in a very good shape. In fact, I don't even have > Acrobat Reader installed on my linux systems. I thought this, too, until recently when working with compan

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-15 Thread Steve Fishpaste
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 01:08:43AM +0200, Michelle Konzack uttered: > Hello Steve Fishpaste, > > Am 2010-05-14 18:48:21, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: > > There are some printers that use GNU/FLOSS to you know. 8) Got to be > > careful being so inclusive. There are many uses for PDFs other than

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-15 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 15 May 2010 01:07:28 +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: > Hello Camaleón, > > Am 2010-05-14 21:39:38, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: >> You must be kidding. Or at least you must be unaware about the >> existence of pdftk toolkit, iTex and gnupdf library, xournal or >> pdfedit, a set of appli

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-15 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 15 May 2010 00:27:32 +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: > Am 2010-05-14 19:06:06, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: (...) >> So the reality is that anyone wanting to view a flash based site has to >> have Adobe Flash player installed as is the only one able to fully >> support all the feature

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 21:47 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 05/14/2010 09:20 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > [snip] > > > > I would disagree. It was quite enlightening to see one of our clients > > work in a highly paperless way. They received FAXes via email as pdfs, > > open them in Acrobat,

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Ron Johnson
On 05/14/2010 09:20 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: [snip] I would disagree. It was quite enlightening to see one of our clients work in a highly paperless way. They received FAXes via email as pdfs, open them in Acrobat, deskew, ocr to grab text for other documents based on those faxes, make

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread ryanjonathanb
>In fact, >they are desperately trying to move away >from Windows and Acrobat is the >major stumbling block - John Hi, Considering that acrobat has been there for (more than) a few years, it'll be hard to dislodge them from the majority of users.. Any thoughts on this?? RJB Sent from my BlackBe

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 21:52 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > There are many situations where the user has the PDF file but lacks the > > original document, and if you want to perform any modification in that > > file, we (linux users) are stuck :-/ > > But in the Free Software world, we usually

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Stefan Monnier
> There are many situations where the user has the PDF file but lacks the > original document, and if you want to perform any modification in that > file, we (linux users) are stuck :-/ But in the Free Software world, we usually consider that not having the course is a problem in itself. Being

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Celejar, Am 2010-05-14 18:27:56, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: > No idea where you get your 'facts' from: > > "On May 1, 2008, Adobe dropped its licensing restrictions on the SWF > format specifications, as part of the Open Screen Project." > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWF#History >

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Stefan Monnier, Am 2010-05-14 15:22:41, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: > Actually, I'd be interested to know what are those other 999. > AFAIK Javascript and Flash are the only games in town. And in some > areas (e.g. modern furniture companies come to mind), Flash-based > websites is the

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Eduardo M KALINOWSKI, Am 2010-05-14 16:04:37, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: > On Sex, 14 Mai 2010, Mark Allums wrote: > >On 5/14/2010 1:39 PM, Celejar wrote: > >>- there are serious sites that require Flash. > > > >Yes, what a pity! Sad... > > ... especially because most of the time the

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Mark Allums, Am 2010-05-14 07:39:47, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: > Flash may not be a priority, sense it performs two functions. One, > it acts as the standard web video player. Two, it tries to be a > standard web programming interface and SDK. > > The former is becoming mooted by th

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Steve Fishpaste, Am 2010-05-14 18:48:21, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: > There are some printers that use GNU/FLOSS to you know. 8) Got to be > careful being so inclusive. There are many uses for PDFs other than > for archival purposes. Printers for example take PDFs and often need to 'edi

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Camaleón, Am 2010-05-14 21:39:38, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: > You must be kidding. Or at least you must be unaware about the existence > of pdftk toolkit, iTex and gnupdf library, xournal or pdfedit, a set of > applications and frameworks available in this "GNU/Linux world", intended

Re: PDF grief - was Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello John A. Sullivan III, Am 2010-05-14 15:47:01, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: > On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 14:24 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > But, but, but... you're not *supposed* to edit PDF files! > That may have been the original idea but creativity finds ingenious ways > to use tools in way

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Steve Fishpaste
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 04:18:51PM -0400, Stefan Monnier uttered: > > Look at PDF. PDF became a ISO/IEC standard but we (at linux) still lack > > for a PDF editor that can compete with Acrobat Professional. > > In the GNU/Linux world, being able to edit PDF files is not considered > as a worthwh

Re: PDF grief - was Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello John A. Sullivan III, Am 2010-05-14 15:43:09, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: > Yes, exactly. We are hoping that, as we build our business and become > cash positive, a part of our profits can be used to shore up those areas > where FOSS is still weak as a desktop solution. We have just pu

Re: PDF grief - was Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello John A. Sullivan III, Am 2010-05-14 07:14:18, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: > That comment really strikes home. We are working on a potential major > Windows desktop replacement project. The two things that are absolutely > killing us are email and a viable substitute for Acrobat Standar

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Celejar
On Sat, 15 May 2010 00:03:20 +0200 Michelle Konzack wrote: > Hello Celejar, > > Am 2010-05-13 19:31:47, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: > > I always thought that the reason for all the trouble with Flash on > > Linux is that Flash was a closed standard. If the spec is published, > > why are the

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Camaleón, Am 2010-05-14 19:06:06, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: > What I wanted to say is that in the event I had to choose a format for > delivering my work, I -for sure- wouldn't go for Flash, although Adobe > claims is "open". > > OTOH, as many others have pointed out, Flash format m

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Celejar, Am 2010-05-13 19:31:47, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: > I always thought that the reason for all the trouble with Flash on > Linux is that Flash was a closed standard. If the spec is published, > why are the FLOSS players so far behind Adobe's player? Is it just > that difficult

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 14 May 2010 16:18:51 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> Look at PDF. PDF became a ISO/IEC standard but we (at linux) still lack >> for a PDF editor that can compete with Acrobat Professional. > > In the GNU/Linux world, being able to edit PDF files is not considered > as a worthwhile featur

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 14 May 2010 14:26:32 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 05/14/2010 09:58 AM, Camaleón wrote: >> O.k. here is what I was looking for: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWF#Licensing >> >> > Which I mentioned very early in this thread... Sorry then. I didn't notice. Greetings, -- Camaleón

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Look at PDF. PDF became a ISO/IEC standard but we (at linux) still lack > for a PDF editor that can compete with Acrobat Professional. In the GNU/Linux world, being able to edit PDF files is not considered as a worthwhile feature. Better edit the file in some other format, and only use PDF fo

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Mark Allums
On 5/14/2010 2:22 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: I always perceived a lack of interest. Few people really want to work on it, it seems. I root for Gnash, but I go ahead and use Adobe's non-free player. As long as you use adobe's player, you're not really rooting for Gnash. It comes down to optio

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Kelly Clowers
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 12:22, Stefan Monnier wrote: >Javascript are real threats, because even if you use a Free Software > implementation of the language, the code run in each web-page will > usually be 100% proprietary. Oh come on. You might as well complain that the HTML of most web pages do

Re: PDF grief - was Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 14:24 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 05/14/2010 01:40 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 06:31 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > >> On 05/14/2010 06:14 AM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > >>> On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 06:52 +, Camaleón wrote: > >>> > Look

Re: PDF grief - was Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 14:22 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > On Friday 14 May 2010 13:40:35 John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 06:31 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > On 05/14/2010 06:14 AM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 06:52 +, Camaleón wrote

Huh?? (was Re: Flash is open?)

2010-05-14 Thread Ron Johnson
On 05/14/2010 02:22 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: [snip] But in either case, for users who care about their Freedom, both Flash and Javascript are real threats, because even if you use a Free Software implementation of the language, the code run in each web-page will usually be 100% proprietary.

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Ron Johnson
On 05/14/2010 09:58 AM, Camaleón wrote: On Fri, 14 May 2010 15:45:36 +0200, Artifex Maximus wrote: On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Camaleón wrote: Can we (we=people) make our own Flash implementation by using Adobe Flash specs? Yes. "Developers are now free to implement what is documented

Re: PDF grief - was Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Ron Johnson
On 05/14/2010 01:40 PM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 06:31 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/14/2010 06:14 AM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 06:52 +, Camaleón wrote: Look at PDF. PDF became a ISO/IEC standard but we (at linux) still lack for a PDF ed

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Stefan Monnier
> I always perceived a lack of interest. Few people really want to work > on it, it seems. I root for Gnash, but I go ahead and use Adobe's > non-free player. As long as you use adobe's player, you're not really rooting for Gnash. > The former is becoming mooted by the advent of HTML5. The lat

Re: PDF grief - was Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Friday 14 May 2010 13:40:35 John A. Sullivan III wrote: > On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 06:31 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On 05/14/2010 06:14 AM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > > On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 06:52 +, Camaleón wrote: > > >> Look at PDF. PDF became a ISO/IEC standard but we (at linux) sti

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 14 May 2010 20:39:58 +0200, Artifex Maximus wrote: > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Camaleón wrote: >> On Fri, 14 May 2010 15:45:36 +0200, Artifex Maximus wrote: >> >>> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Camaleón wrote: >> Oh, no, but... If W3C does not trust "Flash" technology to be

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
On Sex, 14 Mai 2010, Mark Allums wrote: On 5/14/2010 1:39 PM, Celejar wrote: - there are serious sites that require Flash. Yes, what a pity! Sad... ... especially because most of the time the same funcionality could be achieve without Flash. -- All people are born alike -- except Repu

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Mark Allums
On 5/14/2010 1:39 PM, Celejar wrote: - there are serious sites that require Flash. Yes, what a pity! Sad... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4bed9

Re: PDF grief - was Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 07:51 -0400, Steve Fishpaste wrote: > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 07:14:18AM -0400, John A. Sullivan III uttered: > > On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 06:52 +, Camaleón wrote: > > > > > Look at PDF. PDF became a ISO/IEC standard but we (at linux) still lack > > > for a PDF editor that

Re: PDF grief - was Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 06:31 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 05/14/2010 06:14 AM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 06:52 +, Camaleón wrote: > > > >> Look at PDF. PDF became a ISO/IEC standard but we (at linux) still lack > >> for a PDF editor that can compete with Acrobat Pr

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Artifex Maximus
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Camaleón wrote: > On Fri, 14 May 2010 15:45:36 +0200, Artifex Maximus wrote: > >> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Camaleón wrote: > >>> Oh, no, but... If W3C does not trust "Flash" technology to be included >>> as one of their recommended standards, why should I?

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Celejar
[Thanks to everyone who responded.] On Fri, 14 May 2010 07:39:47 -0500 Mark Allums wrote: > On 5/13/2010 6:31 PM, Celejar wrote: > > Adobe claims that they publish the Flash specs: > > http://www.adobe.com/choice/openmarkets.html > > > > I always thought that the reason for all the trouble with

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 14 May 2010 15:45:36 +0200, Artifex Maximus wrote: > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Camaleón wrote: >> Can we (we=people) make our own Flash implementation by using Adobe >> Flash specs? > > Yes. "Developers are now free to implement what is documented in the > specifications without r

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread John Hasler
Camaleón wrote: > Can we (we=people) make our own Flash implementation by using Adobe Flash > specs? > Avi writes: > Yes. How far in advance of each new release do they publish the new specifications? How much is patented? -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.d

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Avi Greenbury
Camaleón wrote: Can we (we=people) make our own Flash implementation by using Adobe Flash specs? Yes. -- Avi Greenbury -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debia

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Artifex Maximus
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Camaleón wrote: > On Fri, 14 May 2010 07:32:10 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > >> On 05/14/2010 07:04 AM, Camaleón wrote: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_specifications "An open specification is not controlled by a single company or individual o

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 14 May 2010 07:32:10 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 05/14/2010 07:04 AM, Camaleón wrote: >>> "The SWF file format is available as an open specification ..." >> >> I hope that is more than "pretty words" :-) > > Do we say that about the thousands of RFCs written by people at > companies?

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Mark Allums
On 5/13/2010 6:31 PM, Celejar wrote: Adobe claims that they publish the Flash specs: http://www.adobe.com/choice/openmarkets.html I always thought that the reason for all the trouble with Flash on Linux is that Flash was a closed standard. If the spec is published, why are the FLOSS players so

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Ron Johnson
On 05/14/2010 07:04 AM, Camaleón wrote: On Fri, 14 May 2010 13:37:44 +0200, Artifex Maximus wrote: On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Camaleón wrote: "Published" does not means FLOSS or GPL. I would like to know what is the licence of Flash :-) http://www.adobe.com/devnet/swf/ "The SWF fil

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
On Sex, 14 Mai 2010, Camaleón wrote: a/ That I can modify the code of Flash without any fear of Adobe being suing me :-) The Adobe Flash player is, as far as I know, not open source. The code is not publicly available. But you seem to be confusing one implementation of the Flash spec (don

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 14 May 2010 13:37:44 +0200, Artifex Maximus wrote: > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Camaleón wrote: >> "Published" does not means FLOSS or GPL. I would like to know what is >> the licence of Flash :-) > > http://www.adobe.com/devnet/swf/ > > "The SWF file format is available as an op

Re: PDF grief - was Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Steve Fishpaste
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 07:14:18AM -0400, John A. Sullivan III uttered: > On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 06:52 +, Camaleón wrote: > > > Look at PDF. PDF became a ISO/IEC standard but we (at linux) still lack > > for a PDF editor that can compete with Acrobat Professional. > > That comment really stri

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Artifex Maximus
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Camaleón wrote: > On Fri, 14 May 2010 05:00:51 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > >> On 05/14/2010 04:32 AM, Camaleón wrote: > You seems to be conflating 3 different entities: 1. Adobe Flash 2. Adobe Flash Player 3. SWF file format >>> >>> AFAIK: >>> >>> #

Re: PDF grief - was Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Ron Johnson
On 05/14/2010 06:14 AM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 06:52 +, Camaleón wrote: Look at PDF. PDF became a ISO/IEC standard but we (at linux) still lack for a PDF editor that can compete with Acrobat Professional. That comment really strikes home. We are working on a po

PDF grief - was Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 06:52 +, Camaleón wrote: > Look at PDF. PDF became a ISO/IEC standard but we (at linux) still lack > for a PDF editor that can compete with Acrobat Professional. That comment really strikes home. We are working on a potential major Windows desktop replacement project.

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 14 May 2010 05:00:51 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 05/14/2010 04:32 AM, Camaleón wrote: >>> You seems to be conflating 3 different entities: 1. Adobe Flash >>> 2. Adobe Flash Player >>> 3. SWF file format >> >> AFAIK: >> >> #1 As per Wikipedia → Licence: Proprietary EULA (it can be wrong

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Ron Johnson
On 05/14/2010 04:32 AM, Camaleón wrote: On Fri, 14 May 2010 04:12:03 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/14/2010 02:42 AM, Camaleón wrote: Then, there must be an error in Wikipedia "Adobe Flash¹" page. Not at all. It says: "Licence: Proprietary EULA">:-) ¹ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 14 May 2010 04:12:03 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 05/14/2010 02:42 AM, Camaleón wrote: >> Then, there must be an error in Wikipedia "Adobe Flash¹" page. > > Not at all. > >> It says: "Licence: Proprietary EULA">:-) >> >> ¹ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Flash >> >> > You seems to

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Ron Johnson
On 05/14/2010 02:42 AM, Camaleón wrote: On Fri, 14 May 2010 02:16:21 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/14/2010 01:52 AM, Camaleón wrote: *** http://www.openmedianow.org/?q=node/21 "(...) One reason for the lack of excitement over the project in the free software world is that it omits "huge a

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 14 May 2010 02:16:21 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 05/14/2010 01:52 AM, Camaleón wrote: >> *** >> http://www.openmedianow.org/?q=node/21 >> >> "(...) One reason for the lack of excitement over the project in the >> free software world is that it omits "huge amounts" of information >> nee

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-14 Thread Ron Johnson
On 05/14/2010 01:52 AM, Camaleón wrote: On Thu, 13 May 2010 19:31:47 -0400, Celejar wrote: Adobe claims that they publish the Flash specs: (...) http://www.adobe.com/choice/openmarkets.html Mmmm, and there are others that think this is not enough: *** http://www.openmedianow.org/?q=node/

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-13 Thread Camaleón
On Thu, 13 May 2010 19:31:47 -0400, Celejar wrote: > Adobe claims that they publish the Flash specs: > (...) > http://www.adobe.com/choice/openmarkets.html Mmmm, and there are others that think this is not enough: *** http://www.openmedianow.org/?q=node/21 "(...) One reason for the lack of e

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-13 Thread Celejar
On Thu, 13 May 2010 19:35:06 -0500 Ron Johnson wrote: > On 05/13/2010 06:31 PM, Celejar wrote: > > Adobe claims that they publish the Flash specs: ... > > http://www.adobe.com/choice/openmarkets.html > > > > I always thought that the reason for all the trouble with Flash on > > Linux is that Fl

Re: Flash is open?

2010-05-13 Thread Ron Johnson
On 05/13/2010 06:31 PM, Celejar wrote: Adobe claims that they publish the Flash specs: "That, certainly, was what we learned as we launched PostScript® and PDF, two early and powerful software solutions that work across platforms. We openly published the specifications for both, thus inviting bo

Flash is open?

2010-05-13 Thread Celejar
Adobe claims that they publish the Flash specs: "That, certainly, was what we learned as we launched PostScript® and PDF, two early and powerful software solutions that work across platforms. We openly published the specifications for both, thus inviting both use and competition. In the early days