Re: Google vs. DDG

deloptes [2021-05-02 17:44:42] wrote: > Stefan Monnier wrote: >> For these kinds of searches, I tend to go to Wikipedia first. >> One of the reasons is that I can do that via the Wikipedia app which is >> much more snappy than my browser on my smartphone. >> Another is that I have much more confide

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

On Sun, May 02, 2021 at 05:54:05PM +0200, deloptes wrote: > to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > As others say in this thread, you have to use your brain a bit more > > to be happy with DDG. > > > > Don't try to insult. Me? How so? > If you speak/use 1-2 languages it might be OK Always so competitiv

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > As others say in this thread, you have to use your brain a bit more > to be happy with DDG. > Don't try to insult. If you speak/use 1-2 languages it might be OK > To me, honestly, this is a feature, not a bug. > I don't care - it does not delivery good search results

Re: Google vs. DDG

Stefan Monnier wrote: > For these kinds of searches, I tend to go to Wikipedia first. > One of the reasons is that I can do that via the Wikipedia app which is > much more snappy than my browser on my smartphone. > Another is that I have much more confidence in the Wikimedia foundation > when it c

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

On 2021-05-02, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > Google on the other hand knows where i am and that i understand german > and english language. Ich spreche kein deutsch. Here in France I got mainly Alfred from both search engines, with a few birds peeping through further down. > Have a nice day :) > >

Re: Google vs. DDG

>> when I just try to search for "language:en stieglitz" (without the >> quotes) > YES! That's what I was looking for. I wasn't sure DDG had this > feature (although I hoped for it). Sadly, it doesn't work when combined with `!w`. [ and I think it'd make sense to allow the shorter `lang:de`. ] A

Re: Google vs. DDG

On Sun, May 02, 2021 at 09:05:18AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > For example I wanted to know what is Stieglitz in German - it is kind > > of bird, but I wanted to know how it looks like. DDG results did not > > even come close to a bird. > > For these kinds of searches, I tend to go to Wikipe

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

On Sun, May 02, 2021 at 02:47:17PM +0200, Michael Lange wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, 2 May 2021 14:29:06 +0200 > wrote: > > (...) > > If you set your browser's primary "web page" language it works, > > too. That's probably what goes into the "Accept-Language" HTTP > > request header. Would be nice i

Re: Google vs. DDG

> For example I wanted to know what is Stieglitz in German - it is kind > of bird, but I wanted to know how it looks like. DDG results did not > even come close to a bird. For these kinds of searches, I tend to go to Wikipedia first. One of the reasons is that I can do that via the Wikipedia app

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

Hi, On Sun, 2 May 2021 14:29:06 +0200 wrote: (...) > If you set your browser's primary "web page" language it works, > too. That's probably what goes into the "Accept-Language" HTTP > request header. Would be nice if there were a way to set that > per-request... when I just try to search for "l

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

On Sun, May 02, 2021 at 02:20:25PM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > > Searching for "Stieglitz" DDG shows > > With Javascript off: > 1st try: Alfred Stieglitz > 2nd try: Alfred Stieglitz, Joseph E. Stiglitz, Focke-Wulf Fw 44 Stieglitz > 3rd try: Joseph E. Stiglitz, Alfred Stieglitz, Stiegli

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

Hi, > Searching for "Stieglitz" DDG shows With Javascript off: 1st try: Alfred Stieglitz 2nd try: Alfred Stieglitz, Joseph E. Stiglitz, Focke-Wulf Fw 44 Stieglitz 3rd try: Joseph E. Stiglitz, Alfred Stieglitz, Stieglitz Snyder Architecture, Christine Stieglitz Quite random choice, but no

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

On Sun, May 02, 2021 at 01:20:03PM +0200, Michael Lange wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, 02 May 2021 12:57:59 +0200 > deloptes wrote: > > (...) > > I'm sorry guys, but DDG is another joke. For example I wanted to know > > what is Stieglitz in German - it is kind of bird, but I wanted to know > > how it

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

On Sonntag, 2. Mai 2021 07:20:03 -04 Michael Lange wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, 02 May 2021 12:57:59 +0200 > deloptes wrote: > > (...) > > > I'm sorry guys, but DDG is another joke. For example I wanted to > > know > > what is Stieglitz in German - it is kind of bird, but I wanted to > > know how it l

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

Hi, On Sun, 02 May 2021 12:57:59 +0200 deloptes wrote: (...) > I'm sorry guys, but DDG is another joke. For example I wanted to know > what is Stieglitz in German - it is kind of bird, but I wanted to know > how it looks like. DDG results did not even come close to a bird. this I cannot reprodu

Re: Google vs. DDG

On 2021-04-28 20:49, davidson wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 mick crane wrote: I think Google tailors results according to what they know about you. Even if you reset the router to a new IP and clear all the cookies they still seem to know. I've wondered if the browser has an identifying number.

Re: Google vs. DDG

On 2021-04-28 20:49, davidson wrote: On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 mick crane wrote: I think Google tailors results according to what they know about you. Even if you reset the router to a new IP and clear all the cookies they still seem to know. I've wondered if the browser has an identifying number.

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:03:04AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 09:25:26 +0200 > wrote: > > [...no javaxcript] > > I certainly agree with that goal, but I currently disable analytics via > uBlock Origin, pi-hole, etc.) Disabling JS breaks a lot of (useful) > stuff as collateral da

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 09:25:26 +0200 wrote: ... > Thetis seems to be paying for Google, in one currency or another. For > one, fonts and jquery get downloaded directly from googleapis.com, so > Big G gets a tug each time someone hits their page. Then, they embed > Google analytics scripts in their

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 10:05:22PM -0400, Yitzhak Grossman wrote: > On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 20:49:56 -0300 > riveravaldez wrote: [...] > > I have no idea if this Thetis business is pretty popular or well-know (first > > time I heard about them), but: couldn't be maybe that Thetis paid for some > > G

Re: Google vs. DDG

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 12:42:23 -0400 Celejar wrote: > On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 12:20:58 -0400 > Stefan Monnier wrote: > > > >> FWIW, I'm pretty sure that such anectodal evidence is of no > > >> importance because you can also come up with examples where the > > >> situation is reversed. > > > Can yo

Re: Google vs. DDG

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 mick crane wrote: I think Google tailors results according to what they know about you. Even if you reset the router to a new IP and clear all the cookies they still seem to know. I've wondered if the browser has an identifying number. Supplementing the observations made h

Re: Google vs. DDG

On Mi, 28 apr 21, 17:07:42, mick crane wrote: > > I think Google tailors results according to what they know about you. > Even if you reset the router to a new IP and clear all the cookies they > still seem to know. I've wondered if the browser has an identifying number. > mick If you're using Go

Re: Google vs. DDG

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 17:07:42 +0100 mick crane wrote: > On 2021-04-28 16:05, Celejar wrote: > > On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 15:02:19 +0100 > > wrote: > > > >> On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 09:46:53AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > >> > >> [...] > >> > >> > You've been making some very interesting points here about

Re: Google vs. DDG

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 12:20:58 -0400 Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> FWIW, I'm pretty sure that such anectodal evidence is of no importance > >> because you can also come up with examples where the situation > >> is reversed. > > Can you? > > I meant "you" in a very general sense: I'm pretty sure it's

Re: Google vs. DDG

>> FWIW, I'm pretty sure that such anectodal evidence is of no importance >> because you can also come up with examples where the situation >> is reversed. > Can you? I meant "you" in a very general sense: I'm pretty sure it's possible, but no, I haven't done the necessary work (and I'm not very i

Re: Google vs. DDG

On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 05:07:42PM +0100, mick crane wrote: > I think Google tailors results according to what they know about you. Of course they do. That's a selling point (from their POV, at least). > Even if you reset the router to a new IP and clear all the cookies > they still seem to know

Re: Google vs. DDG

On 2021-04-28 16:05, Celejar wrote: On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 15:02:19 +0100 wrote: On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 09:46:53AM -0400, Celejar wrote: [...] > You've been making some very interesting points here about the key > being context, but I'm not sure I totally buy it. DDG simply doesn't > work well

Re: Google vs. DDG

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 11:45:59 -0400 Stefan Monnier wrote: > > Here's a sort of example I just ran into. When trying to find > > information about Thetis hardware security keys, DDG simply couldn't > > find the company's website: searching DDG for "thetis key" turns up (in > > the first page of hit

Re: Google vs. DDG

On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 11:45:59AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > Here's a sort of example I just ran into [...] > FWIW, I'm pretty sure that such anectodal evidence is of no importance > because you can also come up with examples where the situation > is reversed. Still it might tell us someth

Re: Google vs. DDG

> Here's a sort of example I just ran into. When trying to find > information about Thetis hardware security keys, DDG simply couldn't > find the company's website: searching DDG for "thetis key" turns up (in > the first page of hits) a bunch of Amazon listings, and a bunch of > reviews of, and art

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 11:05:54AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 15:02:19 +0100 > wrote: [...] > > Could you give an example where DDG fails and Google succeeds? > > Here's a sort of example I just ran into. When trying to find > information about Thetis hardware security keys, DD

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 15:02:19 +0100 wrote: > On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 09:46:53AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > [...] > > > You've been making some very interesting points here about the key > > being context, but I'm not sure I totally buy it. DDG simply doesn't > > work well for me in certain areas

Re: Google vs. DDG

On 2021-03-17 08:10, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 12:09:54AM +0100, deloptes wrote: [...] Things I found yesterday in Google, I can not find today and DDG anyway :) Pics or it didn't happen ;-) They never sent my DDG car sticker. mick -- Key ID4BFEBB31

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 12:09:54AM +0100, deloptes wrote: [...] > Things I found yesterday in Google, I can not find today and DDG anyway :) Pics or it didn't happen ;-) Cheers - t signature.asc Description: Digital signature

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Joe wrote: > It may not be long before vendors are ranked or even excluded according > to their virtue-signalling activities rather than their products. Yes, I also think this might be the next step ... cause no one is biting on the adds anyway and there are also too many people trying to manipul

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

ghe2001 wrote: > How about DDG as the default, and Google when necessary. yes - this is the present setting here Things I found yesterday in Google, I can not find today and DDG anyway :) I guess Google has already lost track of the data and may be algorithm long time ago, but it's still workin

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 2:42 PM, deloptes wrote: > This was in the beginning. Then it became business and now it is political > and I am not sure anymore if this is exactly what I want, but as said > technical

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 21:42:48 +0100 deloptes wrote: > Celejar wrote: > > >> Hm. Good point. Of course, Google has a lot more resources than > >> DDG. My hypothesis is that the advantage from that is rather > >> marginal and that they get most of their advantage from search > >> context. Of course

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On 3/16/21 10:42 PM, deloptes wrote: It is not only resources, it is the algorithm and the personal data in question  - today's news included reference to "privacy labels" : "DuckDuckGo uses App Store privacy labels to call out Google for ‘spying’ on users"  

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

Celejar wrote: >> Hm. Good point. Of course, Google has a lot more resources than DDG. >> My hypothesis is that the advantage from that is rather marginal and >> that they get most of their advantage from search context. Of course, >> I may be wrong (as nearly always ;-) > > It's certainly hard t

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 10:49:10AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 15:02:19 +0100 > wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 09:46:53AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > > [...] And I do usually access Google without being logged in, with > > > most cookies blocked, NoScript, etc., so in general

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 15:02:19 +0100 wrote: > On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 09:46:53AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > [...] > > > You've been making some very interesting points here about the key > > being context, but I'm not sure I totally buy it. DDG simply doesn't > > work well for me in certain areas

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 09:46:53AM -0400, Celejar wrote: [...] > You've been making some very interesting points here about the key > being context, but I'm not sure I totally buy it. DDG simply doesn't > work well for me in certain areas of interest to me. Perhaps I'm simply > not sufficiently s

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 15:05:44 +0100 wrote: > On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 02:47:23PM +0100, deloptes wrote: > > to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > > > This is nonsense. "The best" without any context is just meaningless. > > > > > > > Come on, you yourself write below why. > > [...] > > > Me too - doin

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deloptes composed on 2021-03-14 14:49 (UTC+0100): > Felix Miata wrote: >> https://www.newtube.app/ > Is it a parody? I think not:

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 02:47:23PM +0100, deloptes wrote: > to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > This is nonsense. "The best" without any context is just meaningless. > > > > Come on, you yourself write below why. [...] > Me too - doing the same - but as you say "more or less as good as > Google's" -

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Felix Miata wrote: > > https://www.newtube.app/ Is it a parody?

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > This is nonsense. "The best" without any context is just meaningless. > Come on, you yourself write below why. > Let me put an example: a friend of mine is doing biological research > (mRNA and that kind of stuff). > > She relies totally on Google to keep the research

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 01:16:02PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Du, 14 mar 21, 11:11:25, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 11:58:32AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > > > With DDG I can easily specify whether I want "local" results and for > > > which country. > > > >

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

On Du, 14 mar 21, 11:11:25, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 11:58:32AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > With DDG I can easily specify whether I want "local" results and for > > which country. > > Ruoghly yes, but what I was aiming at is slightly more subtle. And I was addi

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 11:58:32AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Du, 14 mar 21, 10:03:44, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > > I think by now every avid reader will have an idea of what's going on. > > The whole fuzzball of metadata you share with Google (your IP address, > > your browser version,

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

On Du, 14 mar 21, 10:03:44, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > I think by now every avid reader will have an idea of what's going on. > The whole fuzzball of metadata you share with Google (your IP address, > your browser version, the whole compost heap of cookies, browser metrics > prior search history

Re: Google vs. DDG

deloptes composed on 2021-03-14 09:59 (UTC+0100): > Absolutely true - they also changed Youtube few years ago and now it > suppresses information. > It became hard to find things that were popping up before, because you have > viewed similar before. They slipped into USSR v2.0 game. I'm sure they'

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 11:47:27PM +0100, deloptes wrote: > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > Interestingly, for my searches recently I've seldom got really better > > hits on Google. > > I'm trying DuckDuckGo for 2 weeks now - it's not bad, but Google is (still) > the best This is nonsense. "The best

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Jeremy Ardley wrote: > I find that Google has bias and censorhip in some topics, particularly > those where Google has a certain point of view, or the US government > does (and this is in areas unrelated to current medical topics). > > When I suspect I'm not getting the full results I also check

Re: Google vs. DDG

On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 01:51:09AM +0200, ellanios82 wrote: > On 3/14/21 1:41 AM, Weaver wrote: > >>russian search-engine  helpful > >Yes, I use that for it's local focus, especially, and a few others. > >One doesn't cover it all. > >I just don't use Google. > >Cheers! > > >  - believe that can

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On 3/14/21 1:41 AM, Weaver wrote: russian search-engine  helpful Yes, I use that for it's local focus, especially, and a few others. One doesn't cover it all. I just don't use Google. Cheers!  - believe that can anonymize  ones google search?  regards

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On 14-03-2021 08:59, ellanios82 wrote: > On 3/14/21 12:20 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: >> Still, the quality of the results isn't an absolute measure depending only >> on the search engine > > >  - sometimes, find russian search-engine  helpful Yes, I use that for it's local focus, especially,

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On 14/3/21 6:59 am, ellanios82 wrote: On 3/14/21 12:20 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: Still, the quality of the results isn't an absolute measure depending only on the search engine  - sometimes, find russian search-engine  helpful I find that Google has bias and censorhip in some topics, pa

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On 3/14/21 12:20 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: Still, the quality of the results isn't an absolute measure depending only on the search engine  - sometimes, find russian search-engine  helpful .  regards

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

Andrei POPESCU wrote: > Interestingly, for my searches recently I've seldom got really better > hits on Google. I'm trying DuckDuckGo for 2 weeks now - it's not bad, but Google is (still) the best

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On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 03:58:48PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: > Felix Miata [2021-03-13 15:44:50] wrote: > > Charlie Gibbs composed on 2021-03-13 11:04 (UTC-0800): > >> (DuckDuckGo works fine for searches.) > > I use Google and DDG. It's not unusual here to have DDG to return 0 hits, > > and th

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

On Sb, 13 mar 21, 15:44:50, Felix Miata wrote: > Charlie Gibbs composed on 2021-03-13 11:04 (UTC-0800): > > > (DuckDuckGo works fine for searches.) > > I use Google and DDG. It's not unusual here to have DDG to return 0

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On 14-03-2021 06:58, Stefan Monnier wrote: > Felix Miata [2021-03-13 15:44:50] wrote: >> Charlie Gibbs composed on 2021-03-13 11:04 (UTC-0800): >>> (DuckDuckGo works fine for searches.) >> I use Google and DDG. It's not unusual here to have DDG to return 0 hits, >> and the >> exact same search re

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021, Felix Miata wrote: Charlie Gibbs composed on 2021-03-13 11:04 (UTC-0800): (DuckDuckGo works fine for searches.) I use Google and DDG. It's not unusual here to have DDG to return 0 hits, and the exact same search repeated in Google return multiple good hits. -- I must

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Felix Miata [2021-03-13 15:44:50] wrote: > Charlie Gibbs composed on 2021-03-13 11:04 (UTC-0800): >> (DuckDuckGo works fine for searches.) > I use Google and DDG. It's not unusual here to have DDG to return 0 hits, > and the > exact same search repeated in Google return multiple good hits. The c

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

Charlie Gibbs composed on 2021-03-13 11:04 (UTC-0800): > (DuckDuckGo works fine for searches.) I use Google and DDG. It's not unusual here to have DDG to return 0 hits, and the exact same search repeated in Google re