Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-05-02 Thread tomas
On Sun, May 02, 2021 at 05:54:05PM +0200, deloptes wrote: > to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > As others say in this thread, you have to use your brain a bit more > > to be happy with DDG. > > > > Don't try to insult. Me? How so? > If you speak/use 1-2 languages it might be OK Always so

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-05-02 Thread deloptes
to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > As others say in this thread, you have to use your brain a bit more > to be happy with DDG. > Don't try to insult. If you speak/use 1-2 languages it might be OK > To me, honestly, this is a feature, not a bug. > I don't care - it does not delivery good search

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-05-02 Thread Curt
On 2021-05-02, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > Google on the other hand knows where i am and that i understand german > and english language. Ich spreche kein deutsch. Here in France I got mainly Alfred from both search engines, with a few birds peeping through further down. > Have a nice day :) > >

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-05-02 Thread tomas
On Sun, May 02, 2021 at 02:47:17PM +0200, Michael Lange wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, 2 May 2021 14:29:06 +0200 > wrote: > > (...) > > If you set your browser's primary "web page" language it works, > > too. That's probably what goes into the "Accept-Language" HTTP > > request header. Would be nice

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-05-02 Thread Michael Lange
Hi, On Sun, 2 May 2021 14:29:06 +0200 wrote: (...) > If you set your browser's primary "web page" language it works, > too. That's probably what goes into the "Accept-Language" HTTP > request header. Would be nice if there were a way to set that > per-request... when I just try to search for

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-05-02 Thread tomas
On Sun, May 02, 2021 at 02:20:25PM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > > Searching for "Stieglitz" DDG shows > > With Javascript off: > 1st try: Alfred Stieglitz > 2nd try: Alfred Stieglitz, Joseph E. Stiglitz, Focke-Wulf Fw 44 Stieglitz > 3rd try: Joseph E. Stiglitz, Alfred Stieglitz,

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-05-02 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, > Searching for "Stieglitz" DDG shows With Javascript off: 1st try: Alfred Stieglitz 2nd try: Alfred Stieglitz, Joseph E. Stiglitz, Focke-Wulf Fw 44 Stieglitz 3rd try: Joseph E. Stiglitz, Alfred Stieglitz, Stieglitz Snyder Architecture, Christine Stieglitz Quite random choice, but

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-05-02 Thread tomas
On Sun, May 02, 2021 at 01:20:03PM +0200, Michael Lange wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, 02 May 2021 12:57:59 +0200 > deloptes wrote: > > (...) > > I'm sorry guys, but DDG is another joke. For example I wanted to know > > what is Stieglitz in German - it is kind of bird, but I wanted to know > > how it

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-05-02 Thread Eike Lantzsch ZP6CGE
On Sonntag, 2. Mai 2021 07:20:03 -04 Michael Lange wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, 02 May 2021 12:57:59 +0200 > deloptes wrote: > > (...) > > > I'm sorry guys, but DDG is another joke. For example I wanted to > > know > > what is Stieglitz in German - it is kind of bird, but I wanted to > > know how it

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-05-02 Thread Michael Lange
Hi, On Sun, 02 May 2021 12:57:59 +0200 deloptes wrote: (...) > I'm sorry guys, but DDG is another joke. For example I wanted to know > what is Stieglitz in German - it is kind of bird, but I wanted to know > how it looks like. DDG results did not even come close to a bird. this I cannot

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-04-29 Thread tomas
On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 10:03:04AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 09:25:26 +0200 > wrote: > > [...no javaxcript] > > I certainly agree with that goal, but I currently disable analytics via > uBlock Origin, pi-hole, etc.) Disabling JS breaks a lot of (useful) > stuff as collateral

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-04-29 Thread Celejar
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 09:25:26 +0200 wrote: ... > Thetis seems to be paying for Google, in one currency or another. For > one, fonts and jquery get downloaded directly from googleapis.com, so > Big G gets a tug each time someone hits their page. Then, they embed > Google analytics scripts in

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-04-29 Thread tomas
On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 10:05:22PM -0400, Yitzhak Grossman wrote: > On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 20:49:56 -0300 > riveravaldez wrote: [...] > > I have no idea if this Thetis business is pretty popular or well-know (first > > time I heard about them), but: couldn't be maybe that Thetis paid for some > >

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-04-28 Thread tomas
On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 11:05:54AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 15:02:19 +0100 > wrote: [...] > > Could you give an example where DDG fails and Google succeeds? > > Here's a sort of example I just ran into. When trying to find > information about Thetis hardware security keys,

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-04-28 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 15:02:19 +0100 wrote: > On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 09:46:53AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > [...] > > > You've been making some very interesting points here about the key > > being context, but I'm not sure I totally buy it. DDG simply doesn't > > work well for me in certain areas

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-03-17 Thread tomas
On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 12:09:54AM +0100, deloptes wrote: [...] > Things I found yesterday in Google, I can not find today and DDG anyway :) Pics or it didn't happen ;-) Cheers - t signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-03-16 Thread deloptes
Joe wrote: > It may not be long before vendors are ranked or even excluded according > to their virtue-signalling activities rather than their products. Yes, I also think this might be the next step ... cause no one is biting on the adds anyway and there are also too many people trying to

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-03-16 Thread deloptes
ghe2001 wrote: > How about DDG as the default, and Google when necessary. yes - this is the present setting here Things I found yesterday in Google, I can not find today and DDG anyway :) I guess Google has already lost track of the data and may be algorithm long time ago, but it's still

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-03-16 Thread ghe2001
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 2:42 PM, deloptes wrote: > This was in the beginning. Then it became business and now it is political > and I am not sure anymore if this is exactly what I want, but as said > technical

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-03-16 Thread Joe
On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 21:42:48 +0100 deloptes wrote: > Celejar wrote: > > >> Hm. Good point. Of course, Google has a lot more resources than > >> DDG. My hypothesis is that the advantage from that is rather > >> marginal and that they get most of their advantage from search > >> context. Of

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-03-16 Thread deloptes
Celejar wrote: >> Hm. Good point. Of course, Google has a lot more resources than DDG. >> My hypothesis is that the advantage from that is rather marginal and >> that they get most of their advantage from search context. Of course, >> I may be wrong (as nearly always ;-) > > It's certainly hard

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-03-16 Thread tomas
On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 10:49:10AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 15:02:19 +0100 > wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 09:46:53AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > > [...] And I do usually access Google without being logged in, with > > > most cookies blocked, NoScript, etc., so in general

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-03-16 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 15:02:19 +0100 wrote: > On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 09:46:53AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > [...] > > > You've been making some very interesting points here about the key > > being context, but I'm not sure I totally buy it. DDG simply doesn't > > work well for me in certain areas

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-03-16 Thread tomas
On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 09:46:53AM -0400, Celejar wrote: [...] > You've been making some very interesting points here about the key > being context, but I'm not sure I totally buy it. DDG simply doesn't > work well for me in certain areas of interest to me. Perhaps I'm simply > not sufficiently

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-03-16 Thread Celejar
On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 15:05:44 +0100 wrote: > On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 02:47:23PM +0100, deloptes wrote: > > to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > > > This is nonsense. "The best" without any context is just meaningless. > > > > > > > Come on, you yourself write below why. > > [...] > > > Me too -

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-03-14 Thread tomas
On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 02:47:23PM +0100, deloptes wrote: > to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > This is nonsense. "The best" without any context is just meaningless. > > > > Come on, you yourself write below why. [...] > Me too - doing the same - but as you say "more or less as good as > Google's"

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-03-14 Thread deloptes
to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > This is nonsense. "The best" without any context is just meaningless. > Come on, you yourself write below why. > Let me put an example: a friend of mine is doing biological research > (mRNA and that kind of stuff). > > She relies totally on Google to keep the

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-03-14 Thread tomas
On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 01:16:02PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Du, 14 mar 21, 11:11:25, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 11:58:32AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > > > With DDG I can easily specify whether I want "local" results and for > > > which country. > > > >

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-03-14 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 14 mar 21, 11:11:25, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 11:58:32AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > With DDG I can easily specify whether I want "local" results and for > > which country. > > Ruoghly yes, but what I was aiming at is slightly more subtle. And I was

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-03-14 Thread tomas
On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 11:58:32AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Du, 14 mar 21, 10:03:44, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > > I think by now every avid reader will have an idea of what's going on. > > The whole fuzzball of metadata you share with Google (your IP address, > > your browser version,

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-03-14 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 14 mar 21, 10:03:44, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > I think by now every avid reader will have an idea of what's going on. > The whole fuzzball of metadata you share with Google (your IP address, > your browser version, the whole compost heap of cookies, browser metrics > prior search history

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-03-14 Thread tomas
On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 11:47:27PM +0100, deloptes wrote: > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > Interestingly, for my searches recently I've seldom got really better > > hits on Google. > > I'm trying DuckDuckGo for 2 weeks now - it's not bad, but Google is (still) > the best This is nonsense. "The

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-03-13 Thread deloptes
Andrei POPESCU wrote: > Interestingly, for my searches recently I've seldom got really better > hits on Google. I'm trying DuckDuckGo for 2 weeks now - it's not bad, but Google is (still) the best

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-03-13 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 13 mar 21, 15:44:50, Felix Miata wrote: > Charlie Gibbs composed on 2021-03-13 11:04 (UTC-0800): > > > (DuckDuckGo works fine for searches.) > > I use Google and DDG. It's not unusual here to have DDG to return

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-03-13 Thread Karen Lewellen
On Sat, 13 Mar 2021, Felix Miata wrote: Charlie Gibbs composed on 2021-03-13 11:04 (UTC-0800): (DuckDuckGo works fine for searches.) I use Google and DDG. It's not unusual here to have DDG to return 0 hits, and the exact same search repeated in Google return multiple good hits. -- I

Re: Google vs. DDG (was: Social-media antipathy)

2021-03-13 Thread Felix Miata
Charlie Gibbs composed on 2021-03-13 11:04 (UTC-0800): > (DuckDuckGo works fine for searches.) I use Google and DDG. It's not unusual here to have DDG to return 0 hits, and the exact same search repeated in Google