Ahoj,
Dňa Thu, 24 Jul 2014 11:41:28 +0200 Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org
napísal:
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 09:42:52AM CEST, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com
said:
The behavior of the boot messages hasn't changed for me and
according to the systemd man pages it shouldn't. So your setup must
be
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 2:02 AM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote:
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:06:51AM CEST, Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org
said:
Am 22.07.2014 19:22, schrieb Erwan David:
Le 22/07/2014 18:59, Michael Biebl a écrit :
Am 22.07.2014 18:24, schrieb The Wanderer:
As far as I
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 09:42:52AM CEST, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com said:
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 2:02 AM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote:
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:06:51AM CEST, Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org
said:
Am 22.07.2014 19:22, schrieb Erwan David:
Le 22/07/2014 18:59,
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:06:51AM CEST, Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org said:
Am 22.07.2014 19:22, schrieb Erwan David:
Le 22/07/2014 18:59, Michael Biebl a écrit :
Am 22.07.2014 18:24, schrieb The Wanderer:
As far as I can see, there is no way to get init-system log messages
without
Le 22/07/2014 17:56, Erwan David a écrit :
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 05:25:22PM CEST, Don Armstrong d...@debian.org said:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014, Erwan David wrote:
I lokked at it. I do not know how to remove this quiet on command line
which seems to have appeared. Did systemd change grub
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote:
Le 21/07/2014 18:23, Tom H a écrit :
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:18 AM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote:
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 09:59:55AM CEST, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com said:
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:33 PM, sp113438
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On 07/22/2014 10:34 AM, Tom H wrote:
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org
wrote:
So it seems there is a quiet on the default command line, which
does not mean same thing when using systemd or using init.
I do not
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014, Erwan David wrote:
I lokked at it. I do not know how to remove this quiet on command line
which seems to have appeared. Did systemd change grub configuration ?
Or did rather change grub semantics ?
It's the default in Debian. Edit /etc/default/grub and remove quiet from
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 05:25:22PM CEST, Don Armstrong d...@debian.org said:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014, Erwan David wrote:
I lokked at it. I do not know how to remove this quiet on command line
which seems to have appeared. Did systemd change grub configuration ?
Or did rather change grub
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On 07/22/2014 11:56 AM, Erwan David wrote:
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 05:25:22PM CEST, Don Armstrong
d...@debian.org said:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014, Erwan David wrote:
I lokked at it. I do not know how to remove this quiet on command
line which
Am 22.07.2014 18:24, schrieb The Wanderer:
As far as I can see, there is no way to get init-system log messages
without also getting kernel log messages
Of course there is.
Might help if you actually tried it before commenting on it?
The systemd.* specific flags override the global quiet
Le 22/07/2014 18:24, The Wanderer a écrit :
On 07/22/2014 11:56 AM, Erwan David wrote:
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 05:25:22PM CEST, Don Armstrong
d...@debian.org said:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014, Erwan David wrote:
I lokked at it. I do not know how to remove this quiet on command
line which
Le 22/07/2014 18:59, Michael Biebl a écrit :
Am 22.07.2014 18:24, schrieb The Wanderer:
As far as I can see, there is no way to get init-system log messages
without also getting kernel log messages
Of course there is.
Might help if you actually tried it before commenting on it?
The
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 11:01 AM, The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote:
On 07/22/2014 10:34 AM, Tom H wrote:
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org
wrote:
So it seems there is a quiet on the default command line, which
does not mean same thing when using systemd
Am 22.07.2014 19:22, schrieb Erwan David:
Le 22/07/2014 18:59, Michael Biebl a écrit :
Am 22.07.2014 18:24, schrieb The Wanderer:
As far as I can see, there is no way to get init-system log messages
without also getting kernel log messages
Of course there is.
Might help if you actually
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:33 PM, sp113438 sp113...@telfort.nl wrote:
1 poweroff takes ages (several minutes), and sometimes fails completely,
this is very annoying
On Fedora, v208 introduced slice units and I (and many others) had a
problem at shutdown with the logged-in user's slice taking
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 7:29 AM, Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote:
Dňa Sun, 20 Jul 2014 07:46:17 +0200 Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de
napísal:
On 2014-07-19 19:14 +0200, Slavko wrote:
Then it seems, that there is way to have policykit without systemd.
The alternative (on which policykit-1
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 09:59:55AM CEST, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com said:
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:33 PM, sp113438 sp113...@telfort.nl wrote:
1 poweroff takes ages (several minutes), and sometimes fails completely,
this is very annoying
On Fedora, v208 introduced slice units and I (and
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote:
Le 20/07/2014 16:11, Andrei POPESCU a écrit :
On Du, 20 iul 14, 14:40:27, Erwan David wrote:
Add to this the fact it throws away years of habits with yet another
language (yes the systemd unit files are nit shellscripts
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 10:08:31AM CEST, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com said:
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 7:29 AM, Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote:
Dňa Sun, 20 Jul 2014 07:46:17 +0200 Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de
napísal:
On 2014-07-19 19:14 +0200, Slavko wrote:
Then it seems, that there is way to
On 7/21/14, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote:
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 09:59:55AM CEST, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com said:
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:33 PM, sp113438 sp113...@telfort.nl wrote:
1 poweroff takes ages (several minutes), and sometimes fails
completely,
this is very annoying
2) You have a specific syntax, and a specific semantics (what does
ExecStart, WantedBy, etc mean), that one must learn in order to simply
read this. The namles of the sections are also meaningfull. All this
defines a full fledge langaue, and I did not find any comprehensive donc
of
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 10:49:11AM CEST, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net
said:
On 7/21/14, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote:
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 09:59:55AM CEST, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com said:
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:33 PM, sp113438 sp113...@telfort.nl wrote:
1 poweroff
On 2014-07-21 10:18 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
I switched today, and for me booting is slow, much slowzer than before.
Run systemd-analyze time to see how long the boot actually took and
systemd-analyze blame to see which units took the most time.
And booting is silent : almost no information
On 7/21/14, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote:
2) You have a specific syntax, and a specific semantics (what does
ExecStart, WantedBy, etc mean), that one must learn in order to simply
read this. The namles of the sections are also meaningfull. All this
defines a full fledge langaue, and
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 12:15:42PM CEST, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net
said:
On 7/21/14, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote:
2) You have a specific syntax, and a specific semantics (what does
ExecStart, WantedBy, etc mean), that one must learn in order to simply
read this. The
Andrei POPESCU wrote at 2014-07-20 09:11 -0500:
You're aware of course that Debian is one of the last big distros to
switch to systemd, with the notable exception of Ubuntu (who was using
upstart anyway).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#Adoption
Also Gentoo (according to the article
green wrote:
Andrei POPESCU wrote at 2014-07-20 09:11 -0500:
You're aware of course that Debian is one of the last big distros to
switch to systemd, with the notable exception of Ubuntu (who was using
upstart anyway).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#Adoption
Also Gentoo (according to the
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:18 AM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote:
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 09:59:55AM CEST, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com said:
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:33 PM, sp113438 sp113...@telfort.nl wrote:
Booting is fast
That's one of the development goals.
I switched today, and for
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:28 AM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote:
libpam-systemd now refuses systemd-shim (with v208 in testing)...
You must be skipping emails in this thread.
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On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 5:01 AM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote:
2) You have a specific syntax, and a specific semantics (what does
ExecStart, WantedBy, etc mean), that one must learn in order to simply
read this. The namles of the sections are also meaningfull. All this
defines a full
On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 15:23:36 +0300
Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:
On Du, 20 iul 14, 04:33:34, sp113438 wrote:
My main problems on Sid with systemd:
1 poweroff takes ages (several minutes), and sometimes fails
completely, this is very annoying
I used to have this due
Le 21/07/2014 18:23, Tom H a écrit :
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:18 AM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote:
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 09:59:55AM CEST, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com said:
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:33 PM, sp113438 sp113...@telfort.nl wrote:
Booting is fast
That's one of the
On 2014-07-19 19:14 +0200, Slavko wrote:
policykit-1 depends on libpam-systemd and libsystemd-login0.
But here https://packages.debian.org/jessie/policykit-1 can see:
[not kfreebsd-amd64, kfreebsd-i386]
Then it seems, that there is way to have policykit without systemd.
The alternative
On Sb, 19 iul 14, 18:06:57, Tom H wrote:
If he didn't improve sysvinit to deal with the early boot problem that
he identifies here, he must've either thought that it wasn't possible
to fix the sysvinit code or that he didn't have the time to dedicate
to doing so.
Just to provide concrete
Ahoj,
Dňa Sun, 20 Jul 2014 07:46:17 +0200 Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de
napísal:
On 2014-07-19 19:14 +0200, Slavko wrote:
Then it seems, that there is way to have policykit without systemd.
The alternative (on which policykit-1 depends on kfreebsd-*) is
consolekit which is unmaintained.
Ahoj,
Dňa Sat, 19 Jul 2014 20:09:33 -0400 The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm
napísal:
It's partly systemd's - or, rather, the systemd developers' - fault
for having chosen to implement the functionality which the outside
programs (in this case, components of GNOME) want to depend on as
part
On Sb, 19 iul 14, 20:16:11, The Wanderer wrote:
Unless I'm much mistaken, none of the tools provided by coreutils are
daemons, and none of them are init systems. Both of those things are
qualitative differences.
I didn't mention any of the non-daemon tools provided by the systemd
package,
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 01:11:47PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
LOL, how do you do it Andrei? You've tried and failed to rebut me three
times...
Wow! and here's me thinking he clearly explained the issue(s) to you!
I remember a rant by Billy Connelly where the gist goes like this:
He picked up a
On Du, 20 iul 14, 04:33:34, sp113438 wrote:
My main problems on Sid with systemd:
1 poweroff takes ages (several minutes), and sometimes fails completely,
this is very annoying
I used to have this due to NFS mounts and Network Manager (#746358),
fixed in initscripts 2.88dsf-55.2. Could
On Sb, 19 iul 14, 20:09:33, The Wanderer wrote:
It's partly systemd's - or, rather, the systemd developers' - fault for
having chosen to implement the functionality which the outside programs
(in this case, components of GNOME) want to depend on as part of
something not independent from the
Le 20/07/2014 13:56, Andrei POPESCU a écrit :
On Sb, 19 iul 14, 20:16:11, The Wanderer wrote:
Unless I'm much mistaken, none of the tools provided by coreutils are
daemons, and none of them are init systems. Both of those things are
qualitative differences.
I didn't mention any of the
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On 07/20/2014 08:32 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Sb, 19 iul 14, 20:09:33, The Wanderer wrote:
It's partly systemd's - or, rather, the systemd developers' - fault
for having chosen to implement the functionality which the outside
programs (in
On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 13:39:13 +0200
Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote:
Ahoj,
Dňa Sat, 19 Jul 2014 20:09:33 -0400 The Wanderer
wande...@fastmail.fm napísal:
It's partly systemd's - or, rather, the systemd developers' - fault
for having chosen to implement the functionality which the outside
On Du, 20 iul 14, 14:40:27, Erwan David wrote:
Add to this the fact it throws away years of habits with yet another
language (yes the systemd unit files are nit shellscripts but they use a
specific language mre complicated to understand thant shell scripts,
You must be confusing systemd unit
Le 20/07/2014 16:11, Andrei POPESCU a écrit :
On Du, 20 iul 14, 14:40:27, Erwan David wrote:
Add to this the fact it throws away years of habits with yet another
language (yes the systemd unit files are nit shellscripts but they use a
specific language mre complicated to understand thant shell
Le 20/07/2014 16:09, Joe a écrit :
On Sun, 20 Jul 2014 13:39:13 +0200
Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote:
Ahoj,
Dňa Sat, 19 Jul 2014 20:09:33 -0400 The Wanderer
wande...@fastmail.fm napísal:
It's partly systemd's - or, rather, the systemd developers' - fault
for having chosen to implement the
On Sun 20 Jul 2014 at 16:49:14 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
Now that systemd is presented as being compulsory it is natural that
From a little earlier in this subthread:
https://lists.debian.org/87mwc9gfsw@xoog.err.no
Nothing about compulsory there.
developers use it. The biggest
Am 20.07.2014 16:47, schrieb Erwan David:
Le 20/07/2014 16:11, Andrei POPESCU a écrit :
You're aware of course that Debian is one of the last big distros to
switch to systemd, with the notable exception of Ubuntu (who was using
upstart anyway).
RHEL 7 does not use systemd as far as I
On 7/21/14, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote:
2) You have a specific syntax, and a specific semantics (what does
ExecStart, WantedBy, etc mean), that one must learn in order to simply
read this. The namles of the sections are also meaningfull. All this
defines a full fledge langaue, and I
On 2014-07-19 00:22 +0200, Steve Litt wrote:
And finally, note that the guy's email doesn't specifically recommend
systemd, and as a matter of fact seems to gravitate toward upstart,
This is quite easily explained by the fact that his mail predates the
first systemd release by seven months.
On Vi, 18 iul 14, 21:32:10, Tom Furie wrote:
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 05:44:37PM +0100, Brian wrote:
I have no testing install to hand at the moment so perhaps you could
list these packages for us. Please indicate the ones for which there is
no real need.
Here is a fairly naive list of
It seems to me like you're trolling, but I'll assume good faith and
reply anyway.
On Vi, 18 iul 14, 18:22:49, Steve Litt wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:29:23 +0200
Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote:
They should read the mail[1] by one of its maintainers which states
that it was (and is)
On Sb, 19 iul 14, 12:59:46, Sven Joachim wrote:
Now, why did Debian not switch
to upstart back then? There are likely several reasons for this, and
answering that question will be an interesting case study. The one
thing that put *me* off from giving upstart a try is the conflict with
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On Vi, 18 iul 14, 21:32:10, Tom Furie wrote:
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 05:44:37PM +0100, Brian wrote:
I have no testing install to hand at the moment so perhaps you
could list these packages for
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On 07/19/2014 07:28 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
It seems to me like you're trolling, but I'll assume good faith and
reply anyway.
On Vi, 18 iul 14, 18:22:49, Steve Litt wrote:
And although his email doesn't talk about user space *applications*
On Sb, 19 iul 14, 07:49:37, The Wanderer wrote:
Which points out a large part of the problem, right there: most Gnome
programs do not themselves need to interact with systemd itself (or any
component thereof), but due to the dependency chain passing through
Gnome, installing one of those
On Sb, 19 iul 14, 08:00:20, The Wanderer wrote:
I suspect it may be the principle which I've been turning over in my
mind lately, and which I think would be expressed as:
No functionality which anything not part of the init system might
legitimately want to depend on should be implemented
Le 18/07/2014 18:44, Brian a écrit :
I have no testing install to hand at the moment so perhaps you could
list these packages for us. Please indicate the ones for which there
is no real need.
Explain why systemd is needed for hplip. Does this mean HP printer will
stop working on freeBSD ?
On Sat, 19 Jul 2014 17:43:12 +0200
Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote:
Hello Erwan,
Explain why systemd is needed for hplip. Does this mean HP printer will
It isn't. That is to say, hplip does not depend on systemd directly. I
didn't check recursively, so packages hplip depends on may
Brad Rogers writes:
...packages hplip depends on may require systemd, IDK.
That's a bug, either in hplip or in said package.
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LOL, how do you do it Andrei? You've tried and failed to rebut me three
times...
On Sat, 19 Jul 2014 14:28:55 +0300
Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:
It seems to me like you're trolling, but I'll assume good faith and
reply anyway.
On Vi, 18 iul 14, 18:22:49, Steve Litt wrote:
Ahoj,
Dňa Sat, 19 Jul 2014 17:09:06 +0100 Brad Rogers b...@fineby.me.uk
napísal:
On Sat, 19 Jul 2014 17:43:12 +0200
Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote:
Hello Erwan,
Explain why systemd is needed for hplip. Does this mean HP printer
will
It isn't. That is to say, hplip does not
On Sat 19 Jul 2014 at 13:11:47 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
LOL, how do you do it Andrei? You've tried and failed to rebut me three
times...
On Sat, 19 Jul 2014 14:28:55 +0300
Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:
It seems to me like you're trolling, but I'll assume good faith and
On Sat 19 Jul 2014 at 08:00:20 -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
On 07/19/2014 07:28 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
It seems to me like you're trolling, but I'll assume good faith and
reply anyway.
On Vi, 18 iul 14, 18:22:49, Steve Litt wrote:
And although his email doesn't talk about user
On Sat 19 Jul 2014 at 17:43:12 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
Le 18/07/2014 18:44, Brian a ??crit :
I have no testing install to hand at the moment so perhaps you could
list these packages for us. Please indicate the ones for which there
is no real need.
Explain why systemd is needed for
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:29:23 +0200 Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote:
On 2014-07-18 17:21 +0200, Steve Litt wrote:
The other thing is, a lot of people thought the current init system
was working just fine.
They
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 6:59 AM, Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote:
On 2014-07-19 00:22 +0200, Steve Litt wrote:
And finally, note that the guy's email doesn't specifically recommend
systemd, and as a matter of fact seems to gravitate toward upstart,
This is quite easily explained by the
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 8:00 AM, The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote:
I suspect it may be the principle which I've been turning over in my
mind lately, and which I think would be expressed as:
No functionality which anything not part of the init system might
legitimately want to depend
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote:
Le 18/07/2014 18:44, Brian a écrit :
I have no testing install to hand at the moment so perhaps you could
list these packages for us. Please indicate the ones for which there
is no real need.
Explain why systemd is
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On 07/19/2014 10:15 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Sb, 19 iul 14, 07:49:37, The Wanderer wrote:
Which points out a large part of the problem, right there: most
Gnome programs do not themselves need to interact with systemd
itself (or any
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On 07/07/2014 03:48 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Du, 06 iul 14, 11:15:14, The Wanderer wrote:
(As far as I can tell, logind itself exists only as the binary
'systemd-logind', which is packaged as part of the systemd package
rather than in its
My main problems on Sid with systemd:
1 poweroff takes ages (several minutes), and sometimes fails completely,
this is very annoying
2 switching to a console takes 10 seconds until the prompt
3 my X-session is under Ctrl+Alt+F2 not F7
Booting is fast
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On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 02:14:24 +0300, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Lu, 14 iul 14, 06:59:53, Virgo Pärna wrote:
I'm actually using both service ... and /etc/init.d/... to restart
service. Last one is good to use, if I cannot remember if it is graylist
or graylistd
On 2014-07-18, The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote:
I personally find programmable completion (which I think is what we're
talking about here) annoying in various ways, to the point where I
disable or remove it whenever I find it active. I'd be irritated by
anything which makes living
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 02:14:24AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
'service' also has tab completion. Not sure if this is because I have
bash-completion installed, but it's too late for me to check.
Yes, you need bash-completion installed and activated in
/etc/bash.bashrc. It is not activated by
On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 23:37:18 -0400
songbird songb...@anthive.com wrote:
my own experience, after reading all the
words from those for and against it is
seeing the actual code working.
this past week it came through Debian
testing and installed just fine, i've had
zero issues with
On Fri 18 Jul 2014 at 11:21:51 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
I don't think one single person objected to the systemd software
itself. It's right for some, not so right for others.
All the objections had to do with forcing people to accept systemd. Vim
and Emacs are both excellent, but if we all
Le 18/07/2014 17:52, Brian a écrit :
On Fri 18 Jul 2014 at 11:21:51 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
I don't think one single person objected to the systemd software
itself. It's right for some, not so right for others.
All the objections had to do with forcing people to accept systemd. Vim
and
On 2014-07-18 17:21 +0200, Steve Litt wrote:
The other thing is, a lot of people thought the current init system was
working just fine.
They should read the mail[1] by one of its maintainers which states that
it was (and is) _not_ working just fine, and that a replacement has
long been
On Fri 18 Jul 2014 at 18:10:58 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
Le 18/07/2014 17:52, Brian a ??crit :
On Fri 18 Jul 2014 at 11:21:51 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
I don't think one single person objected to the systemd software
itself. It's right for some, not so right for others.
All the
Ahoj,
Dňa Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:10:58 +0200 Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org
napísal:
That's quite afalse this... count every package which depends
direectly or indirectly on systemd, often without real need...
If you can decide this (i an not able this), please fill bugreport
about unneeded
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On 07/18/2014 12:56 PM, Slavko wrote:
Ahoj,
Dňa Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:10:58 +0200 Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org
napísal:
That's quite afalse this... count every package which depends
direectly or indirectly on systemd, often without real
Am Freitag, 18. Juli 2014, 13:19:21 schrieb The Wanderer:
On 07/18/2014 12:56 PM, Slavko wrote:
Ahoj,
Dňa Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:10:58 +0200 Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org
napísal:
That's quite afalse this... count every package which depends
direectly or indirectly on systemd, often
Am Freitag, 18. Juli 2014, 13:19:21 schrieb The Wanderer:
On 07/18/2014 12:56 PM, Slavko wrote:
Ahoj,
Dňa Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:10:58 +0200 Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org
napísal:
That's quite afalse this... count every package which depends
direectly or indirectly on systemd, often
On Fri 18 Jul 2014 at 13:19:21 -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
On 07/18/2014 12:56 PM, Slavko wrote:
Ahoj,
D??a Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:10:58 +0200 Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org
nap??sal:
That's quite afalse this... count every package which depends
direectly or indirectly on systemd,
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On 07/18/2014 02:26 PM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Am Freitag, 18. Juli 2014, 13:19:21 schrieb The Wanderer:
On 07/18/2014 12:56 PM, Slavko wrote:
If you can decide this (i an not able this), please fill
bugreport about unneeded dependency
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On 07/18/2014 02:51 PM, Brian wrote:
On Fri 18 Jul 2014 at 13:19:21 -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
I think (not having done the research to verify this) that the idea
is that some - many? - packages need PAM, and depend (perhaps
indirectly) on an
Ahoj,
Dňa Fri, 18 Jul 2014 13:19:21 -0400 The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm
napísal:
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On 07/18/2014 12:56 PM, Slavko wrote:
Dňa Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:10:58 +0200 Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org
napísal:
That's quite afalse this... count
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 05:44:37PM +0100, Brian wrote:
I have no testing install to hand at the moment so perhaps you could
list these packages for us. Please indicate the ones for which there is
no real need.
Here is a fairly naive list of packages which have a hard dependency on
packages
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014, Steve Litt wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 11:32:29 -0400
Frank McCormick debianl...@videotron.ca wrote:
On 07/15/2014 10:37 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
[snip]
It would be interesting to read Linus's comments on
MicroKernels...and why Linux is the way it is. Has he ever
On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:29:23 +0200
Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote:
On 2014-07-18 17:21 +0200, Steve Litt wrote:
The other thing is, a lot of people thought the current init system
was working just fine.
They should read the mail[1] by one of its maintainers which states
that it was
On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 17:51:11 -0400 (EDT)
david...@ling.ohio-state.edu wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014, Steve Litt wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 11:32:29 -0400
Frank McCormick debianl...@videotron.ca wrote:
On 07/15/2014 10:37 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
[snip]
It would be interesting to read
On Lu, 14 iul 14, 06:59:53, Virgo Pärna wrote:
I'm actually using both service ... and /etc/init.d/... to restart
service. Last one is good to use, if I cannot remember if it is graylist
or graylistd or greylist or greylistd.
'service' also has tab completion. Not sure if this is
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On 07/17/2014 07:14 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Lu, 14 iul 14, 06:59:53, Virgo Pärna wrote:
I'm actually using both service ... and /etc/init.d/... to restart
service. Last one is good to use, if I cannot remember if it is
graylist or
my own experience, after reading all the
words from those for and against it is
seeing the actual code working.
this past week it came through Debian
testing and installed just fine, i've had
zero issues with it so far.
in fact the boot time is faster and the
shutdown is also faster.
Hi,
Steve Litt wrote at 2014-07-11 11:21 -0500:
A bizarre thought just popped into my head, in the form of a little
voice. The little voice told me that if they guys who controlled the
decision to go to systemd had been the decision makers in 1990, Linux
would have a microkernel today.
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 06:36:54 +
Bonno Bloksma b.blok...@tio.nl wrote:
Hi,
Steve Litt wrote at 2014-07-11 11:21 -0500:
A bizarre thought just popped into my head, in the form of a
little voice. The little voice told me that if they guys who
controlled the decision to go to systemd had
On 07/15/2014 10:37 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 06:36:54 +
Bonno Bloksma b.blok...@tio.nl wrote:
Hi,
Steve Litt wrote at 2014-07-11 11:21 -0500:
A bizarre thought just popped into my head, in the form of a
little voice. The little voice told me that if they guys who
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 11:32:29 -0400
Frank McCormick debianl...@videotron.ca wrote:
On 07/15/2014 10:37 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 06:36:54 +
Bonno Bloksma b.blok...@tio.nl wrote:
Hi,
Steve Litt wrote at 2014-07-11 11:21 -0500:
A bizarre thought just popped into my
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