Re: Circumventing keyboard problem on Lenovo R64

2024-09-13 Thread Richard Owlett
On 09/13/2024 07:03 AM, George at Clug wrote: On Friday, 13-09-2024 at 20:17 Richard Owlett wrote: On 09/13/2024 03:56 AM, Hans wrote: Hi Richard, exchanging the keyboard yourself might be not a great thing. If it is not an apple computer, where you have to strip the whole computer, most

Re: Circumventing keyboard problem on Lenovo R64

2024-09-13 Thread George at Clug
On Friday, 13-09-2024 at 20:17 Richard Owlett wrote: > On 09/13/2024 03:56 AM, Hans wrote: > > Hi Richard, > > > > exchanging the keyboard yourself might be not a great thing. If it is not an > > apple computer, where you have to strip the whole computer, most

Re: Circumventing keyboard problem on Lenovo R64

2024-09-13 Thread Richard Owlett
On 09/13/2024 03:56 AM, Hans wrote: Hi Richard, exchanging the keyboard yourself might be not a great thing. If it is not an apple computer, where you have to strip the whole computer, most keyboards are very simple to echange.[snip] ROFL The keyboard is not the only problem. I was an

Re: Circumventing keyboard problem on Lenovo R64

2024-09-13 Thread Hans
Hi Richard, exchanging the keyboard yourself might be not a great thing. If it is not an apple computer, where you have to strip the whole computer, most keyboards are very simple to echange. There are often some videos on youtube, which show, how to do it. On most, there are 1 - 3 screws

Re: Circumventing keyboard problem on Lenovo R64

2024-09-13 Thread Richard Owlett
On 09/12/2024 08:35 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: On 09/12/2024 07:13 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: i Ricard, It has a keyboard failure - the "h" key is intermittent and my primary account is "Richard" ;/ [ I presume you know tat tis kind of failure can often (sadly not   

KDE, switching users (was: Re: Circumventing keyboard problem on Lenovo R64)

2024-09-12 Thread Max Nikulin
On 12/09/2024 21:54, Hans wrote: If someone might also confirm of this little bug I mentioned here and knows better than me, he may just file a little bugreport to the developers of KDE. Maybe he also nows a little workaround??? [Ctrl+Alt+F8], [Ctrl+Alt+F7] work fine for me to switch between u

Re: Circumventing keyboard problem on Lenovo R64

2024-09-12 Thread Richard Owlett
On 09/12/2024 09:54 AM, Hans wrote: Didn't seem to work on 2 machines using different flavors of Debian. Where is that documented so I can run a verifiable test? You are right. I rechecked this and it does not work correctly, because of a bug in KDE. The problem is, when

Re: Circumventing keyboard problem on Lenovo R64

2024-09-12 Thread Richard Owlett
On 09/12/2024 08:40 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 08:35:25AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: [...] Relevant man page to have 'root' edit a user's login name? See usermod, option -l. The wording of the text under that option does not give a "warm fuzzy" feeling that I un

Re: Circumventing keyboard problem on Lenovo R64

2024-09-12 Thread Hans
> Didn't seem to work on 2 machines using different flavors of Debian. > Where is that documented so I can run a verifiable test? You are right. I rechecked this and it does not work correctly, because of a bug in KDE. The problem is, when starting another session, your for

Re: Circumventing keyboard problem on Lenovo R64

2024-09-12 Thread Richard Owlett
On 09/12/2024 08:50 AM, Joe wrote: On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 08:35:25 -0500 Richard Owlett wrote: Relevant man page to have 'root' edit a user's login name? TIA Looks like usermod, according to the first page Google shows for: debian change user name https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-ch

Re: Circumventing keyboard problem on Lenovo R64

2024-09-12 Thread Richard Owlett
On 09/12/2024 09:14 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 14:50:23 +0100, Joe wrote: On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 08:35:25 -0500 Richard Owlett wrote: Relevant man page to have 'root' edit a user's login name? Looks like usermod, according to the first page Google shows for: debian chan

Re: Circumventing keyboard problem on Lenovo R64

2024-09-12 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 14:50:23 +0100, Joe wrote: > On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 08:35:25 -0500 > Richard Owlett wrote: > > Relevant man page to have 'root' edit a user's login name? > > > Looks like usermod, according to the first page Google shows for: > debian change user name I prefer vipw(8). Bu

Re: Circumventing keyboard problem on Lenovo R64

2024-09-12 Thread Richard Owlett
On 09/12/2024 08:03 AM, Hans wrote: Solves wrong problem ;} I couldn't log in as "Richard" at power-up. But Stefan hints at solution to that problem. Ah, ok, you are in X. Do you now, you can start a second windowmanager as root without logoff as the other user? If doing so, you can switch bet

Re: Circumventing keyboard problem on Lenovo R64

2024-09-12 Thread Richard Owlett
On 09/12/2024 07:17 AM, Felix Miata wrote: Richard Owlett composed on 2024-09-12 06:43 (UTC-0500): I have a Lenovo R61 running 64 bit Buster. It has a keyboard failure - the "h" key is intermittent and my primary account is "Richard" ;/ Instead of a band aid, attack th

Re: Circumventing keyboard problem on Lenovo R64

2024-09-12 Thread tomas
On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 08:35:25AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: [...] > Relevant man page to have 'root' edit a user's login name? See usermod, option -l. Heed the caveats in the man page (and all other places where the user name might be hidden). Sounds like some fun. (Of course you could ju

Re: Circumventing keyboard problem on Lenovo R64

2024-09-12 Thread Richard Owlett
On 09/12/2024 07:13 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: i Ricard, It has a keyboard failure - the "h" key is intermittent and my primary account is "Richard" ;/ [ I presume you know tat tis kind of failure can often (sadly not always) be fixed by cleaning. ] I have other sym

Re: Circumventing keyboard problem on Lenovo R64

2024-09-12 Thread Hans
> Solves wrong problem ;} > I couldn't log in as "Richard" at power-up. > But Stefan hints at solution to that problem. Ah, ok, you are in X. Do you now, you can start a second windowmanager as root without logoff as the other user? If doing so, you can switch between both with "CTL + ALT + F7"

Re: Circumventing keyboard problem on Lenovo R64

2024-09-12 Thread Richard Owlett
On 09/12/2024 06:59 AM, Hans wrote: Hi Richard, Am Donnerstag, 12. September 2024, 13:43:49 CEST schrieb Richard Owlett: I have a Lenovo R61 running 64 bit Buster. It has a keyboard failure - the "h" key is intermittent and my primary account is "Richard" ;/ I have no p

Re: Circumventing keyboard problem on Lenovo R64

2024-09-12 Thread Felix Miata
Richard Owlett composed on 2024-09-12 06:43 (UTC-0500): > I have a Lenovo R61 running 64 bit Buster. > It has a keyboard failure - the "h" key is intermittent and my primary > account is "Richard" ;/ Instead of a band aid, attack the keyboard with high PSI compres

Re: Circumventing keyboard problem on Lenovo R64

2024-09-12 Thread Stefan Monnier
i Ricard, > It has a keyboard failure - the "h" key is intermittent and my primary > account is "Richard" ;/ [ I presume you know tat tis kind of failure can often (sadly not always) be fixed by cleaning. ] > I have no problem logging in as root. > > T

Re: Circumventing keyboard problem on Lenovo R64

2024-09-12 Thread Hans
I have a Lenovo T520. From time to time (but very seldom), the whole keyboard is no more working (just hangs). It is a problem with X, maybe related to the NVidia driver. In these rare cases I connect a wireless keyboard to the notebook (put the dongle into an usb port) and can go on on typing

Re: Circumventing keyboard problem on Lenovo R64

2024-09-12 Thread Hans
Hi Richard, Am Donnerstag, 12. September 2024, 13:43:49 CEST schrieb Richard Owlett: > I have a Lenovo R61 running 64 bit Buster. > It has a keyboard failure - the "h" key is intermittent and my primary > account is "Richard" ;/ > > I have no problem l

Circumventing keyboard problem on Lenovo R64

2024-09-12 Thread Richard Owlett
I have a Lenovo R61 running 64 bit Buster. It has a keyboard failure - the "h" key is intermittent and my primary account is "Richard" ;/ I have no problem logging in as root. Two primary questions: 1. is there someway that I can use a USB connected keyboard as workarou

Re: internal keyboard does not work

2024-08-25 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
s is an Intel Mac. If it has a touchbar, does the touchbar still work? > > [Signs of life] > > > > > Below are point to point responses. > > The touchbar does not work. > AskUbuntu pointed to the following resource: https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-li

Re: internal keyboard does not work

2024-08-25 Thread Jerome BENOIT
Hi, I feel some packages are missing, You are right. More precisely, what is missing is a firmware, the brcm/brcmfmac4364-pcie.Apple Inc.-MacBookPro15,1.bin firmware. Cheers, Jerome On my side, apt-file cannot find it on Sid. [    5.253947] brcmfmac :03:00.0: firmware: failed to l

Re: internal keyboard does not work

2024-08-25 Thread Emyr Williams
probe with driver applesmc failed with error -5 The system is bookworm, they internel keyboard is not recognized by the Kernel, I also installed the  linux-image 6.10.4-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.10.4-1 (2024-08-12) x86_64 GNU/Linux # dmesg | grep -i 'keyboard\|input'

Re: internal keyboard does not work

2024-08-25 Thread lina
system is bookworm, they internel keyboard is not recognized by the Kernel, I also installed the linux-image 6.10.4-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.10.4-1 (2024-08-12) x86_64 GNU/Linux # dmesg | grep -i 'keyboard\|input' [0.990489] input: Lid Switch as /devices/LNXSYSTM:00/L

Re: internal keyboard does not work

2024-08-25 Thread lina
On Fri, Aug 23, 2024 at 5:28 PM Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Fri, Aug 23, 2024 at 11:06:44PM +0530, Nilesh Patra wrote: > > Quoting Nicolas George: > > > lina (12024-08-22): > > > > however, the internal keyboard does not work > > > Sorry to ear it. D

Re: internal keyboard does not work

2024-08-25 Thread lina
On Fri, Aug 23, 2024 at 5:28 PM Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Fri, Aug 23, 2024 at 11:06:44PM +0530, Nilesh Patra wrote: > > Quoting Nicolas George: > > > lina (12024-08-22): > > > > however, the internal keyboard does not work > > > Sorry to ear it. D

Re: internal keyboard does not work

2024-08-25 Thread lina
The internal keyboard does not work during installation, I have been using the external keyboard starting from installation. On Fri, Aug 23, 2024 at 5:06 PM Eddie wrote: > You might try disconnecting the external keyboard and try to boot a > live-usb of the desired os. If the live-usb bo

Re: internal keyboard does not work

2024-08-23 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Fri, Aug 23, 2024, 12:54 PM Nicolas George wrote: > Nilesh Patra (12024-08-23): > > What drives such a hostile and uncalled-for reply? > > It was sarcastic, but in no way hostile. > Either way it was unnecessary and will do nothing but alienate people from this list. And so perhaps from Debia

Re: internal keyboard does not work

2024-08-23 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Fri, Aug 23, 2024 at 11:06:44PM +0530, Nilesh Patra wrote: > Quoting Nicolas George: > > lina (12024-08-22): > > > however, the internal keyboard does not work > > Sorry to ear it. Did it been laid off? Is it eligible for unemployment > > benefits? > > >

Re: internal keyboard does not work

2024-08-23 Thread Tom Furie
On Fri, Aug 23, 2024 at 11:52:23PM +0530, Nilesh Patra wrote: > On Fri, Aug 23, 2024 at 07:54:13PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: > > Nilesh Patra (12024-08-23): > > > What drives such a hostile and uncalled-for reply? > > > > It was sarcastic, but in no way hostile. > > I encourage you to re-read

Re: internal keyboard does not work

2024-08-23 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Fri, Aug 23, 2024 at 1:35 PM Nilesh Patra wrote: > > Quoting Nicolas George: > > lina (12024-08-22): > > > however, the internal keyboard does not work > > Sorry to ear it. Did it been laid off? Is it eligible for unemployment > > benefits? > > >

Re: internal keyboard does not work

2024-08-23 Thread Eddie
You might try disconnecting the external keyboard and try to boot a live-usb of the desired os. If the live-usb boots, a fresh install from the live session may boot ok. Sorry no further help than this.

Re: internal keyboard does not work

2024-08-23 Thread Nilesh Patra
On Fri, Aug 23, 2024 at 07:54:13PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: > Nilesh Patra (12024-08-23): > > What drives such a hostile and uncalled-for reply? > > It was sarcastic, but in no way hostile. I encourage you to re-read what you wrote. > And you might notice that (1) it also contained the usefu

Re: internal keyboard does not work

2024-08-23 Thread Nicolas George
Nilesh Patra (12024-08-23): > What drives such a hostile and uncalled-for reply? It was sarcastic, but in no way hostile. And you might notice that (1) it also contained the useful answer and (2) it is for now the only reply. So we might wonder which is best: no reply at all, or a reply with sarc

Re: internal keyboard does not work

2024-08-23 Thread Nilesh Patra
Quoting Nicolas George: > lina (12024-08-22): > > however, the internal keyboard does not work > Sorry to ear it. Did it been laid off? Is it eligible for unemployment > benefits? > > More seriously, start by explaining your problem with more accuracy than > “does not wo

Re: internal keyboard does not work

2024-08-22 Thread Nicolas George
lina (12024-08-22): > however, the internal keyboard does not work Sorry to ear it. Did it been laid off? Is it eligible for unemployment benefits? More seriously, start by explaining your problem with more accuracy than “does not work”. Regards, -- Nicolas George

Re: internal keyboard does not work

2024-08-22 Thread lina
XKBMODEL="apple" XKBMODEL="applealu_ansi" I tried all possible related keyboard, none does work. thanks for your help, lina On Thu, Aug 22, 2024 at 9:34 AM lina wrote: > # KEYBOARD CONFIGURATION FILE > > I tried all these, none of them worked > > XKBMODEL=&q

Re: internal keyboard does not work

2024-08-22 Thread lina
# KEYBOARD CONFIGURATION FILE I tried all these, none of them worked XKBMODEL="macbook79" XKBMODEL="macbook78" *XKBMODEL="macintosh"* *XKBMODEL="macintosh_old"* On Thu, Aug 22, 2024 at 9:29 AM lina wrote: > Hi > > I have a macbook

internal keyboard does not work

2024-08-22 Thread lina
Hi I have a macbook pro since 2019, now I finally install the debian stable version, however, the internal keyboard does not work, here is the output with the external keyboard. # more /etc/default/keyboard # KEYBOARD CONFIGURATION FILE # Consult the keyboard(5) manual page. XKBMODEL

bluetooth keyboard done gone nuts

2024-04-12 Thread fxkl47BF
i use a logitech k270 keyboard and mouse for several years we had power outage for a couple of days now the keyboard is nuts the mouse works i get odd multiple sequences with a few, not all, keys if i type "ls" i get "l7s9u" space is "[ " there are a dozen or so o

keyboard and mouse just stuck

2024-03-14 Thread jwbda
stop. The mouse and keyboard cant click, cant move, cant type. And this is [log](https://github.com/jwbda/debian/blob/main/mouse_keyboard_problem) of `sudo journalctl --since "2024-03-11" --until "2024-03-15"` command.https://github.com/jwbda/debian/blob/main/mouse_keyboard_pro

Re: How can we change the keyboard layout?

2024-02-25 Thread David Wright
at 06:58:39 (+0100), hw wrote: > > > > > [...] > > > I'd use multiple keyboards if I had to do that and just change between > > > keyboards. > > > > Do it if you like. That's what I have on my computer in the basement: > > a GB-layout M keyboard and a US-l

Re: Re: Issue with USB External Keyboard, External Mouse, and Screen Brightness on Dell Laptop

2024-02-24 Thread Marcelo Laia
10,916 V looks a bit odd to me. After your comments, I looking forward about the battery voltage and I found this: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-choose-laptop-battery-king-sener/ "Voltage is closely related to the number of cells in the battery - typically a 10.8V battery has 6 cells and

Re: Re: Issue with USB External Keyboard, External Mouse, and Screen Brightness on Dell Laptop

2024-02-24 Thread hw
Is it possible that the USB ports do not supply power once the laptop is running on battery? Does the NumLock LED of the keyboard go out? On Thu, 2024-02-22 at 13:49 -0300, Marcelo Laia wrote: > Dear Debian Users, > > Thank you all for the invaluable assistance provided. Unfortuna

Re: Issue with USB External Keyboard, External Mouse, and Screen Brightness on Dell Laptop

2024-02-22 Thread David Wright
z > - Memory: > - Size: 16GB [ … ] > After unplugging the power cable, i.e., the battery is discharging: > > After a few seconds, the screen brightness is set to zero. The mouse > remains active, and I can use it for a few more seconds, when it > also becomes disabled. From the

Re: Issue with USB External Keyboard, External Mouse, and Screen Brightness on Dell Laptop

2024-02-22 Thread Charles Curley
On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 13:49:54 -0300 Marcelo Laia wrote: > Thank you all for the invaluable assistance provided. Unfortunately, > the issue has resurfaced today. I don't believe it's related to the > age of the hardware, although my Inspiron 5547-A20 is from 2014, as > indicated below: A stab in t

Re: Re: Issue with USB External Keyboard, External Mouse, and Screen Brightness on Dell Laptop

2024-02-22 Thread Marcelo Laia
b1 usb2 usb3 :~$ After unplugging the power cable, i.e., the battery is discharging: After a few seconds, the screen brightness is set to zero. The mouse remains active, and I can use it for a few more seconds, when it also becomes disabled. From then on, only the touchpad and intern

Re: How can we change the keyboard layout?

2024-02-21 Thread hw
le keyboards if I had to do that and just change between > > keyboards. > > Do it if you like. That's what I have on my computer in the basement: > a GB-layout M keyboard and a US-layout Microsoft Pro. And is their layout identical? If isn't, do all the keys on both keyboard

Re: How can we change the keyboard layout?

2024-02-21 Thread David Wright
you like. That's what I have on my computer in the basement: a GB-layout M keyboard and a US-layout Microsoft Pro. In my case, the layout difference is incidental: the M sits on the table, the other sits on a shelf, for standing use. (There are two screens, set to mirroring.) > >

Re: Issue with USB External Keyboard, External Mouse, and Screen Brightness on Dell Laptop

2024-02-15 Thread Max Nikulin
On 15/02/2024 12:39, David Wright wrote: I would go further than tomas, and suggest that the battery might be suspect, or the charging circuit of course. (None of my three laptops works without AC power.) How old is it? Battery health may be estimated from output of upower --dump by com

Re: Issue with USB External Keyboard, External Mouse, and Screen Brightness on Dell Laptop

2024-02-14 Thread David Wright
On Wed 14 Feb 2024 at 20:09:09 (-0300), Marcelo Laia wrote: > Unfortunately, the issue has worsened. Today, I observed that upon unplugging > the power cable, within one or two seconds, the screen dims (brightness is > set to zero), and both the external mouse and keyboard (USB) sto

Re: Re: Issue with USB External Keyboard, External Mouse, and Screen Brightness on Dell Laptop

2024-02-14 Thread Marcelo Laia
Dear Debian community, Thank you for your insights. Unfortunately, the issue has worsened. Today, I observed that upon unplugging the power cable, within one or two seconds, the screen dims (brightness is set to zero), and both the external mouse and keyboard (USB) stop working. Even if I try

Re: How can we change the keyboard layout?

2024-02-12 Thread hw
On Sun, 2024-02-11 at 10:35 -0600, David Wright wrote: > On Wed 07 Feb 2024 at 06:58:39 (+0100), hw wrote: > > [...] > > > It's also obvious that "change the keyboard layout" is ambiguous, > > > and you didn't intend to mean switching between two layo

Re: How can we change the keyboard layout?

2024-02-11 Thread David Wright
> If that concerned you unduly, you could have put that in the Subject > > line. > > It doesn't concern me. > > > It's also obvious that "change the keyboard layout" is ambiguous, > > and you didn't intend to mean switching between two layouts.

Re: How can we change the keyboard layout?

2024-02-07 Thread John Hasler
Greg writes: > To "change the keyboard layout" could mean either to select a > different layout, or to modify an existing layout. In fact, I think > *most* people would assume the former. I think the possibility of *altering* the keyboard layout would not even occur to mos

Re: How can we change the keyboard layout?

2024-02-07 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Feb 07, 2024 at 06:58:39AM +0100, hw wrote: > On Tue, 2024-02-06 at 21:43 -0600, David Wright wrote: > > It's also obvious that "change the keyboard layout" is ambiguous, > > and you didn't intend to mean switching between two layouts. > > It&

Re: How can we change the keyboard layout?

2024-02-06 Thread hw
line. It doesn't concern me. > It's also obvious that "change the keyboard layout" is ambiguous, > and you didn't intend to mean switching between two layouts. It's not at all obvious, and it's not really ambiguous. Changing the keyboard layout has al

Re: How can we change the keyboard layout?

2024-02-06 Thread David Wright
because after more then 30 years, we still don't have a > > > good way to change the keyboard layouts! > > > > I presume you're now talking about wayland, though I don't think it's > > been around for 30 years. > > I'm talking about wayland a

solved: How can we change the keyboard layout? (was: what keyboard do you use?)

2024-02-06 Thread hw
On Tue, 2024-02-06 at 01:37 -0500, Brian Sammon wrote: > On Mon, 05 Feb 2024 21:06:30 +0100 > hw wrote: > > > Yes, it's a misunderstanding: How can we change the keyboard layout? > > [...] > https://medium.com/@canadaduane/key-remapping-in-linux-2021-edition-473209

Re: How can we change the keyboard layout?

2024-02-06 Thread Stefan Monnier
> I had my share of discussions back then (before Wayland) in the > context of GNOME and I don't need that again. Discussions are tiresome, yes. Knowing it won't go well, it's important to keep them short. > But do keep your optimism: that's what makes the world better. I'm not very optimistic.

Re: what keyboard do you use?

2024-02-06 Thread songbird
hw wrote: ... >> $80 for what i have now was acceptable. > > Which one is that? It must be an unusually sturdy one. Or did you > put a metal plate under it? Corsair K70 CORE RGB Mechanical Gaming Keyboard it is solid but stiff, it is also pretty quiet compared to a model M

Re: How can we change the keyboard layout? (was: what keyboard do you use?)

2024-02-06 Thread hw
On Tue, 2024-02-06 at 11:28 +, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > hw wrote: > > On Mon, 2024-02-05 at 14:34 -0600, David Wright wrote: > > > [...] > > > "The German layout differs from the English (US and UK) layouts in > > > four major ways: > > > > It's missing out on yet another majo

Re: what keyboard do you use?

2024-02-06 Thread songbird
omeone knows where that is? >> >> in MATE there's keyboard settings you can use to switch >> around keyboards and common keys being swapped. > > Does that work with wayland? i'm using Debian testing, so whatever MATE is at in there in respect to wayland is where i&

Re: On graphical environments [was: what keyboard do you use?]

2024-02-06 Thread tomas
On Tue, Feb 06, 2024 at 02:55:30PM +0100, hw wrote: > On Tue, 2024-02-06 at 06:33 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 05, 2024 at 09:40:30PM +0100, hw wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > Have you ever entered ipv4 addresses (and floats) on a

Re: On graphical environments [was: what keyboard do you use?]

2024-02-06 Thread hw
On Tue, 2024-02-06 at 06:33 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Feb 05, 2024 at 09:40:30PM +0100, hw wrote: > > [...] > > > Have you ever entered ipv4 addresses (and floats) on a German > > keyboard? It's insane. > > While I do agree with other of your p

Re: Of German keycap translations [was: How can we change the keyboard layout?]

2024-02-06 Thread hw
On Tue, 2024-02-06 at 13:32 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Tue, Feb 06, 2024 at 01:07:24PM +0100, Ralph Aichinger wrote: > > [...] > > > But translating "Ctrl" to "Strg" (if you do not read it as "String > > or even "Strange" as some people do) is not one of these [...] > > Funny. I always

Re: How can we change the keyboard layout? (was: what keyboard do you use?)

2024-02-06 Thread hw
On Tue, 2024-02-06 at 01:37 -0500, Brian Sammon wrote: > On Mon, 05 Feb 2024 21:06:30 +0100 > hw wrote: > > > Yes, it's a misunderstanding: How can we change the keyboard layout? > > I recently dug into this because I am running Debian on a > Chromebook, and I

Of German keycap translations [was: How can we change the keyboard layout?]

2024-02-06 Thread tomas
On Tue, Feb 06, 2024 at 01:07:24PM +0100, Ralph Aichinger wrote: [...] > But translating "Ctrl" to "Strg" (if you do not read it as "String > or even "Strange" as some people do) is not one of these [...] Funny. I always read it as "Strangulieren"... =:-o Cheers -- t signature.asc Descripti

Re: what keyboard do you use?

2024-02-06 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Feb 06, 2024 at 12:04:16PM +0100, hw wrote: > ls -la /etc/udev/hwdb.d/ > total 0 > drwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 0 Jan 22 01:00 . > drwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 82 Feb 5 13:03 .. > > But this is on Fedora, and perhaps Debian does it differently. unicorn:~$ ls /etc/udev hwdb.d/ rules.d/ udev.conf

Re: How can we change the keyboard layout? (was: what keyboard do you use?)

2024-02-06 Thread debian-user
Brian Sammon wrote: > On Mon, 05 Feb 2024 21:06:30 +0100 > hw wrote: > > > Yes, it's a misunderstanding: How can we change the keyboard > > layout? > > I recently dug into this because I am running Debian on a Chromebook, > and I wanted to map the Google-ke

Re: How can we change the keyboard layout?

2024-02-06 Thread hw
to me. I have tried and failed > to remap them. The keys produce two keycodes and I couldn't work out > how to map that to a single insert. That is another good example that we need to be able to change the keyboard layout. When these strange keys create scan codes and you're using

Re: How can we change the keyboard layout? (was: what keyboard do you use?)

2024-02-06 Thread debian-user
page, you'll see that umlaut keys are mentioned as the second of the four ways. > The Umlaute take whole keys for themselves like other letters, and > since there aren't any more keys on the keyboard, they replace other > characters which contributes to the German keyboard layo

Re: what keyboard do you use?

2024-02-06 Thread hw
an deal with is (was) limited, and it's less than 122. There used to be terminals that could use all 122 keys, using connectors that don't fit PCs. So a keyboard to be connected to a PC which has 122 keys is either incompatibel, or you can't use all keys, or the hardware/firmware in

Re: How can we change the keyboard layout?

2024-02-06 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Loris Bennett wrote: > As many have pointed out, it is short for 'Steuerung', but I have met > many Germans who refer to this key as 'String'. I am not sure why BASIC ? Or the popular bundle theory: [Strg] (= [Ctrl]) means "String", [AltGr] (= right side [Alt]) means "Altgriechisch" (= anci

Re: How can we change the keyboard layout?

2024-02-06 Thread tomas
On Tue, Feb 06, 2024 at 11:35:34AM +0100, hw wrote: [...] > > Chances are that someone has an entirely workable suggestion, if not > > an outright solution [...] > It's not unusual that people don't like to hear the truth. I was following this thread with some interest. Now, I'm out. Cheers --

Re: How can we change the keyboard layout?

2024-02-06 Thread hw
plain virtual terminals at the console or a mix or whatever) than to > simply gripe about the issue and when someone suggests a possible > solution simply brush it off? Nobody has yet suggested a solution to how to change keyboard layouts when using wayland. > Chances are that someone has

Re: How can we change the keyboard layout?

2024-02-06 Thread hw
On Mon, 2024-02-05 at 22:25 -0600, David Wright wrote: > On Tue 06 Feb 2024 at 00:11:43 (+0100), hw wrote: > [...] > > How can it be so difficult to get basic things like that right? It > > still sucks because after more then 30 years, we still don't have a > > go

Re: How can we change the keyboard layout?

2024-02-06 Thread Loris Bennett
t; xmodmap trickery? I am running GNOME on Wayland. >> > > >> > > Or whatever the equivalent in Wayland (or GNOME) might be. Either way, >> > > surely there must be _some_ way to map (sets of) keyboard scan codes >> > > to symbols or actions, and that way is a

Re: How can we change the keyboard layout?

2024-02-06 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 6 Feb 2024 00:11 +0100, from h...@adminart.net (hw): > and for almost 30 years we had > to manually switch on NumLock every time we started an X11 session numlockx has been around since _at least_ 2002, so over 20 years. Depending on your exact definition of "almost 30 years" that leaves a gap

Re: How can we change the keyboard layout? (was: what keyboard do you use?)

2024-02-05 Thread Brian Sammon
On Mon, 05 Feb 2024 21:06:30 +0100 hw wrote: > Yes, it's a misunderstanding: How can we change the keyboard layout? I recently dug into this because I am running Debian on a Chromebook, and I wanted to map the Google-key (located next to the A key, where you usually expect Caps-Lock t

Re: How can we change the keyboard layout?

2024-02-05 Thread tomas
eveloping such an > > environment has the motivation to do so. > > I'm afraid X11 users should make an effort to try and use Wayland for > the sole purpose of finding the problems they'd encounter and file > feature requests (e.g. for better customizability of the keyboar

On graphical environments [was: what keyboard do you use?]

2024-02-05 Thread tomas
On Mon, Feb 05, 2024 at 09:40:30PM +0100, hw wrote: [...] > Have you ever entered ipv4 addresses (and floats) on a German > keyboard? It's insane. While I do agree with other of your points (CTRL-] being one, although you exaggerated by one key), I don't understand this one. I

Re: How can we change the keyboard layout?

2024-02-05 Thread Stefan Monnier
X11 users should make an effort to try and use Wayland for the sole purpose of finding the problems they'd encounter and file feature requests (e.g. for better customizability of the keyboard). AFAICT many such requests are discarded as being too marginal, but that might be just because all th

Re: How can we change the keyboard layout?

2024-02-05 Thread Greg Wooledge
> > So how do you change the keyboard layout when using wayland? > > I've no idea. I don't seem to have noticed that X is on the way out. At this point, I believe there are folks who *believe* that Wayland is the future, and that everyone should switch to it sooner rath

Re: How can we change the keyboard layout?

2024-02-05 Thread David Wright
On Tue 06 Feb 2024 at 00:11:43 (+0100), hw wrote: > On Mon, 2024-02-05 at 20:59 +, Michael Kjörling wrote: > > On 5 Feb 2024 21:06 +0100, from h...@adminart.net (hw): > > > [...] > > > --- and then I need to be able to change the keyboard layout in > > >

Re: what keyboard do you use?

2024-02-05 Thread David Wright
On Fri 02 Feb 2024 at 20:25:09 (-0500), Lee wrote: > I bought a Dell desktop in 2019 and the keyboard just died :( > > ssh in from another machine & do a 'sudo reboot now' and get an alert > about 'Keyboard not found.' on power up. The keyboard also doesn

Re: what keyboard do you use?

2024-02-05 Thread Max Nikulin
On 05/02/2024 18:37, hw wrote: With xmodmap, I was able to adjust the layout as needed. With wayland, I can't do that anymore Untested: https://who-t.blogspot.com/2020/02/user-specific-xkb-configuration-part-1.html User-specific XKB configuration - part 1 and I have heard about a low-level t

Re: How can we change the keyboard layout?

2024-02-05 Thread Max Nikulin
On 06/02/2024 03:59, Michael Kjörling wrote: Pretty sure /etc/default/keyboard has been a thing on Debian for just about forever. GNOME developers decided that they do not want to support all "bells and whistles" of XKB, e.g. layout switch using CapsLock and Shift+CapsLock. So som

Re: what keyboard do you use?

2024-02-05 Thread Peter Ehlert
On 2/5/24 14:11, Ash Joubert wrote: On 06/02/2024 04:15, Peter Ehlert wrote: Logitech K270 full size, simple, $22 USD, fits me just fine I use a Logitech MK270r good tip, packaged with a mouse for $6 more thanks. I will get that bundle next time Wireless Keyboard and Mouse Combo which

Re: How can we change the keyboard layout?

2024-02-05 Thread hw
On Mon, 2024-02-05 at 20:59 +, Michael Kjörling wrote: > On 5 Feb 2024 21:06 +0100, from h...@adminart.net (hw): > > [...] > > --- and then I need to be able to change the keyboard layout in > > wayland sessions unless I use an US keyboard. But I only have one > >

Re: what keyboard do you use?

2024-02-05 Thread Ash Joubert
On 06/02/2024 04:15, Peter Ehlert wrote: Logitech K270 full size, simple, $22 USD, fits me just fine I use a Logitech MK270r Wireless Keyboard and Mouse Combo which has the same keyboard. Full-size standard layout plus media keys, physical power switches on both keyboard and mouse. I find

Re: How can we change the keyboard layout? (was: what keyboard do you use?)

2024-02-05 Thread hw
ce there aren't any more keys on the keyboard, they replace other characters which contributes to the German keyboard layout being rather awkward and difficult to use. Whoever created it has completely overlooked that computers aren't typewriters. And it's very bad not to ha

Re: what keyboard do you use?

2024-02-05 Thread Steve McIntyre
Lee wrote: > >I bought a Dell desktop in 2019 and the keyboard just died :( > >ssh in from another machine & do a 'sudo reboot now' and get an alert >about 'Keyboard not found.' on power up. The keyboard also doesn't >work in another machine so

Re: what keyboard do you use?

2024-02-05 Thread hw
On Mon, 2024-02-05 at 08:40 -0800, James H. H. Lampert wrote: > On 2/2/24 5:25 PM, Lee wrote: > > I figure there's a high percentage of keyboard jockeys here so .. > > which keyboard do you like and why? > > Unicomp. They acquired the rights and the tooling for

Re: How can we change the keyboard layout?

2024-02-05 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 5 Feb 2024 21:06 +0100, from h...@adminart.net (hw): > Picking from/adding a bunch of available keyboard layouts is an > entirely obsolete feature. I never need that. I only need to be able > to change the keyboard layout after picking one once in the installer. > > In cas

Re: what keyboard do you use?

2024-02-05 Thread hw
On Mon, 2024-02-05 at 08:46 -0500, songbird wrote: > hw wrote: > ... > > It's a badly missing feature from gnome settings that we can't change > > the key bindings. The layout must be defined somewhere, though. > > Maybe someone knows where that is? > >

Re: How can we change the keyboard layout? (was: what keyboard do you use?)

2024-02-05 Thread Ralph Aichinger
On Mon, 2024-02-05 at 21:06 +0100, hw wrote: > And what the hell is 'Strg' supposed to mean? "Strg" is short for "Steuerung", just the literal translation of "control". /ralph

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