Bijan Soleymani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I don't like Microsoft because they make proprietary software, not
> because their proprietary software isn't good enough. For most
> people in most situations it's good enough. If you don't believe me
> look around.
I don't have to look further than
On Tue, Feb 10, 2004 at 03:22:14PM -0700, s. keeling wrote:
> I blame Microsoft directly for having created an environment in which
> malware thrives. The virus and worm writers are merely supplying the
> payload that exploits that environment. And we all end up paying for
> the mess everytime so
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 06:22:08PM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 11:25:33AM -0500, Mike M wrote:
>
> > What interests me at this point is if and when there will be a live-cd
> > == Debian (stable, testing, unstable)
>
> When it's time to railroad, people start railroading.
Incoming from Sam Halliday:
>
> i cant believe i just replied to an anti-microsoft troll on debian-user
Rest assured, you didn't. On my more reasonable days, I can agree
that there may actually be a small number of situations where someone
will have no alternative to using crapware. Poor bastar
Katipo wrote:
On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 23:04:57 -0500
Jeff Elkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Sunday 08 February 2004 7:18 pm, Marc Wilson wrote:
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 02:16:33PM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
I just have to say that I find this cluebie/stupid nonsense you keep
spo
On Monday 09 February 2004 23:10, Paul Morgan wrote:
> The point being that if you install debian, and ask questions which
> show that you're thinking and trying to learn, debian folks will bend
> over backwards and stay up all night helping you out, for free. There
> are many in here who will att
Antonio Rodriguez wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2004 at 12:29:35AM +, Sam Halliday wrote:
> > varicad is a joke for serious work... speak to an expert, and they
> > will tell you the same thing. even autocad is described as "too
> > simplistic" by a few mechanical engineers i know, and architects
>
On Tue, Feb 10, 2004 at 12:29:35AM +, Sam Halliday wrote:
> varicad is a joke for serious work... speak to an expert, and they will
> tell you the same thing. even autocad is described as "too simplistic"
> by a few mechanical engineers i know, and architects (REAL architects,
> not "extension
Nate Duehr wrote:
> While you may be very intelligent regarding CAD software, you sure
> seem willing to attack people like myself who are only pointing out
> alternatives that ARE Linux-related on a Linux mailing list, and then
> claiming that *I* took the conversation off-topic? Wow. Quite bo
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 11:25:33AM -0500, Mike M wrote:
> I think live-cds demonstrate the easy-to-install GPOS are feasible.
No one said they weren't feasable. The installation isn't the issue. The
*maintenance* of it is.
Put another way... we already have umpteen zillion poorly-administered
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 11:04:17AM -0500, Mike M wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 11:04:57PM -0500, Jeff Elkins wrote:
> > On Sunday 08 February 2004 7:18 pm, Marc Wilson wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Then they should use it. I couldn't care less whether someone uses Debian,
> > > Knoppix, SuSE, Mandrake,
On Feb 9, 2004, at 5:29 PM, Sam Halliday wrote:
now please can we stop this thread and get back to debian related
issues?
This from the person who took the time to answer the original poster's
anti-Microsoft comments with non-Linux/non-Debian advocacy on a Linux
list???
You started it, sir. I j
Nate Duehr wrote:
On Feb 9, 2004, at 2:25 PM, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
This is the first time I have to disagree with you S. Keeling. Users
of CAD (espe. AutoCad) realy have to use windose. No maker of
professional CAD is porting to linux. I know a shop here that builds
buildings and they a
Nate Duehr wrote:
> Damon Chesser wrote:
> > This is the first time I have to disagree with you S. Keeling.
> > Users of CAD (espe. AutoCad) realy have to use windose. No maker
> > of professional CAD is porting to linux. I know a shop here that
> > builds buildings and they all use Autocad. T
On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 16:25, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
> s. keeling wrote:
> >Incoming from Paul Morgan:
> >>You must also be referring to the almost constant stream of infantile anti
> >>"M$" remarks with which I am heartily sick and tired. I use several OSes,
> >
> >This is an attitude of which _I
On Feb 9, 2004, at 2:25 PM, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
This is the first time I have to disagree with you S. Keeling. Users
of CAD (espe. AutoCad) realy have to use windose. No maker of
professional CAD is porting to linux. I know a shop here that builds
buildings and they all use Autocad. The
On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 07:43:41 +0800, Katipo wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 15:59:43 -0500
> Paul Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 13:50:17 -0700, s. keeling wrote:
>>
>> > Incoming from Paul Morgan:
>> >>
>> >> You must also be referring to the almost constant stream of
>
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 15:59:43 -0500
Paul Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 13:50:17 -0700, s. keeling wrote:
>
> > Incoming from Paul Morgan:
> >>
> >> You must also be referring to the almost constant stream of
> >infantile anti> "M$" remarks with which I am heartily sick a
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 15:25:17 -0600
"Damon L. Chesser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> s. keeling wrote:
>
> >Incoming from Paul Morgan:
> >
> >
> This is the first time I have to disagree with you S. Keeling. Users
> of CAD (espe. AutoCad) realy have to use windose. No maker of
> professional
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 21:04:34 -0800, Marc Wilson wrote:
[snip]
>
> If the idea is to dumb things down so that the stupids don't have to think,
> eventually all that will be left are the stupids.
>
[snip]
Ha! "Build a system that even a fool can use, and only a fool will want
to use it."
I've j
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 21:11:15 +, Sam Halliday wrote:
>
> i cant believe i just replied to an anti-microsoft troll on debian-user
> :-/
>
I'll note it in my diary, Sam :>
--
paul
It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big
enough hammer.
s. keeling wrote:
Incoming from Paul Morgan:
You must also be referring to the almost constant stream of infantile anti
"M$" remarks with which I am heartily sick and tired. I use several OSes,
This is an attitude of which _I_ am sick and tired. Microsoft
software sucks, bigtime! Anyone
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 13:50:17 -0700, s. keeling wrote:
> Incoming from Paul Morgan:
>>
>> You must also be referring to the almost constant stream of infantile anti
>> "M$" remarks with which I am heartily sick and tired. I use several OSes,
>
> This is an attitude of which _I_ am sick and tired
s. keeling wrote:
> Incoming from Paul Morgan:
> > You must also be referring to the almost constant stream of
> > infantile anti"M$" remarks with which I am heartily sick and tired.
> > I use several OSes,
> This is an attitude of which _I_ am sick and tired. Microsoft
> software sucks, bigtime!
Incoming from Paul Morgan:
>
> You must also be referring to the almost constant stream of infantile anti
> "M$" remarks with which I am heartily sick and tired. I use several OSes,
This is an attitude of which _I_ am sick and tired. Microsoft
software sucks, bigtime! Anyone looking at the amo
On Mon, 09 Feb 2004 16:33:15 +0800, Katipo wrote:
>
> How much further ahead would Debian be if it already incorporated
> Knoppixs' hardware recognition, Adamantixs' security features and
> Xandros' drag and drop capability? Instead I have sat back and watched
> as supposedly mature aged individu
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 08:13:07PM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 06:32:54PM -0800, Dale Welch wrote:
>
> > For him and many other people having an easy install OS is imperative.
>
> No. John Q. Public has no business pretending he's competent to install a
> complex operatin
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 08:05:15PM -0800, Dale Welch wrote:
> I would like at some point to build a version based on
> stable. Perhaps late this year after my 2nd brain surgery :-)
I've subscribed to a brain surgery user list. I can do your surgery
and then you can get started on the stable-ba
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 11:04:57PM -0500, Jeff Elkins wrote:
> On Sunday 08 February 2004 7:18 pm, Marc Wilson wrote:
> >
> > Then they should use it. I couldn't care less whether someone uses Debian,
> > Knoppix, SuSE, Mandrake, or even Windows. Cluebies have been shooting
> > themselves in the
On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 08:06, Haines Brown wrote:
> > Dale Welch wrote:
> >
> > >And i was probably building computers when your mama was changing
> > >your diapers . . .
> > >
> > >
> > To whom does "your" refer? If to Kent, then "Nope."
> >
> > >after all i was born a few months after Kennedy
On Monday 09 February 2004 02:50 am, Katipo wrote:
> Yes, I read that article. I'm afraid that I don't place much credence
> in the reviewers' assessment ability.
To quote the author from the final article in the series:
"Another thing for certain: just looking at the score doesn't begin to do
j
> Dale Welch wrote:
>
> >And i was probably building computers when your mama was changing
> >your diapers . . .
> >
> >
> To whom does "your" refer? If to Kent, then "Nope."
>
> >after all i was born a few months after Kennedy was shot...
> >
> >
> Kent was born a few months before Kennedy w
On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 23:04:57 -0500
Jeff Elkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sunday 08 February 2004 7:18 pm, Marc Wilson wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 02:16:33PM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> I just have to say that I find this cluebie/stupid nonsense you keep
> spouting very offputting
On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 16:58:48 -0500
Adam Aube <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sunday 08 February 2004 03:19 pm, Sneferu wrote:
> > I'd say that the solutions to all this problems is mepis.org ;-)
>
> Agreed - MEPIS is the Linux distro I would recommend to a newbie.
>
> In a "Spawn of Debian" faceo
On Feb 8, 2004, at 9:04 PM, Jeff Elkins wrote:
Cut out the "stupid/cluebie" nonsense. You hurt Debian, Linux, and
OSS in
general with this elitist attitude.
What's to "hurt"? In the purest sense, F/OSS software is still F/OSS
software at the end of the day. Whether or not anyone cares to use i
* Marc Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [040208 22:13]:
>
> I call people stupid when they ARE.
For the sake of your social life, I sure hope you meant "only when".
--
Lance Simmons
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On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 11:04:57PM -0500, Jeff Elkins wrote:
> On Sunday 08 February 2004 7:18 pm, Marc Wilson wrote:
> I just have to say that I find this cluebie/stupid nonsense you keep spouting
> very offputting and childish.
Then take steps to ensure that they're NOT cluebies, instead of
fac
On 2004-02-09, Nano Nano penned:
> On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 08:05:15PM -0800, Dale Welch wrote:
>>
>> ---dale ---it is ok to have no rules... so long as everyone follows
>> the rules
>
> Evey asks: "All this riot and uproar, V...is this anarchy? Is this the
> land of do-as-you-please?" He responds
On Sunday 08 February 2004 11:13 pm, Marc Wilson wrote:
> Well, let's see. I was born in 1964. I've been doing computers since 1980
> or so. The first machine I owned was an 8080A-based machine called an
> Interact-1 that used an integrated tape drive and an absolutely horrid
> chicklet keyboar
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 06:32:54PM -0800, Dale Welch wrote:
> And i was probably building computers when your mama was changing your
> diapers...
Well, let's see. I was born in 1964. I've been doing computers since 1980
or so. The first machine I owned was an 8080A-based machine called an
Inte
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 08:05:15PM -0800, Dale Welch wrote:
>
> ---dale
> ---it is ok to have no rules...
>so long as everyone follows the rules
Evey asks: "All this riot and uproar, V...is this anarchy? Is this the
land of do-as-you-please?" He responds: "No. This is only the land of
take
On Sunday 08 February 2004 7:18 pm, Marc Wilson wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 02:16:33PM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> > Well a lot of new users like Knoppix and would like to have it on
> > the hard disk. Is it ok for them to use it, or will the secret police
> > come and shoot them for not u
I apologize to my elder... it was not to you though i realize i quoted
you. :-)
It was to Marc i spoke and perhaps others... that particular attitude while
strong in my generation... is even stronger in a younger crowd. ;-) But
perhaps marc has fooled me and is older than either of us.
But hey
Dale Welch wrote:
And i was probably building computers when your mama was changing your
diapers . . .
To whom does "your" refer? If to Kent, then "Nope."
after all i was
born a few months after Kennedy was shot...
Kent was born a few months before Kennedy was shot.
--
Kent
--
To UNSUBSC
And i was probably building computers when your mama was changing your
diapers... since i learned basic on a trash-80 model-1 when i was barely a
teenager (ok so some would say i am just as bad calling the trs-80 by the
popular term of trash-80 --- i knew some guys who ran a good bbs on a trs-80
tall
knoppix, that's fine, it's a free country (well it is here anyway), go
ahead and do it.
But, be aware that knoppix is not debian (repeat: *knoppix* *is* *not*
*debian*), so, if you're using a knoppix distro, a considerate practice
would be to post to the knoppix mailing list(s).
--
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 02:16:33PM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> Well a lot of new users like Knoppix and would like to have it on
> the hard disk. Is it ok for them to use it, or will the secret police
> come and shoot them for not using pure Debian instead too.
Then they should use it. I coul
On Sunday 08 February 2004 03:19 pm, Sneferu wrote:
> I'd say that the solutions to all this problems is mepis.org ;-)
Agreed - MEPIS is the Linux distro I would recommend to a newbie.
In a "Spawn of Debian" faceoff, it beat Lindows, Xandros, and Libranet.
http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=04/
* Marc Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [040208 10:44]:
> On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 10:15:38AM -0600, Lance Simmons wrote:
> > When an old laptop falls into your hands, and you don't have any
> > documentation on it, it's easier to use Knoppix and then upgrade to
> > Debian than it is to do the work needed
I'd say that the solutions to all this problems is mepis.org ;-)
Can still be used as livecd, and if you like what you see just double click
pe Install icon on the desktop...
I don't think that a debian-like-system can be any easy than this...my 13
years old cousin got it up-n-working in less t
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 08:40:33PM +0100, Andreas Janssen wrote:
> Using Knoppix on the hard disk means no security updates, a system only
> upgradable to unstable, and a lot of possible problems for beginners.
It all depends on what kind of beginner. When I was new to Debian my
major problems wer
Hello
Bijan Soleymani (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 08:44:28AM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote:
>> Feh. While it may well work for you, who has clue, anyone who
>> suggests to a cluebie that using Knoppix is a way to get Debian
>> should be shot.
>
> Well a lot of new users li
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 08:44:28AM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote:
> Feh. While it may well work for you, who has clue, anyone who suggests to
> a cluebie that using Knoppix is a way to get Debian should be shot.
Well a lot of new users like Knoppix and would like to have it on
the hard disk. Is it ok
On Sun, Feb 08, 2004 at 10:15:38AM -0600, Lance Simmons wrote:
> When an old laptop falls into your hands, and you don't have any
> documentation on it, it's easier to use Knoppix and then upgrade to
> Debian than it is to do the work needed to install Debian directly. So
> long as the end result
* Paul E Condon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [040207 18:05]:
>
> I think there is a place for Knoppix in introducing newbies to Debian.
I'm not a Debian newbie, but in the past year I've used Knoppix for new
installs on a few pieces of unfamiliar hardware. When an old laptop
falls into your hands, and yo
Marc Wilson wrote:
On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 10:28:03PM +0100, David Baron wrote:
Once you do the HD installation, you have their, allbeit mixed, distro based
on Debian and KDE.
Ok, now... we've got a stupid who couldn't figure out how to read well
enough to run the Debian installer. You thus pr
On Saturday 07 February 2004 6:05 pm, Paul E Condon wrote:
> I think there is a place for Knoppix in introducing newbies to Debian.
> You suggest to them that they pop the Knoppix CD into the CD drive, and
> try to boot from it. Tell them that if Knoppix boots from the CD they
> really should be ab
On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 05:12:28PM -0600, Kent West wrote:
> Marc Wilson wrote:
>
> >There's no reason why he should be installing operating
> >systems, either, any more than he should be building cars. Or performing
> >brain surgery. Contrary to popular belief, there ARE some things that Joe
>
Marc Wilson wrote:
There's no reason why he should be installing operating
systems, either, any more than he should be building cars. Or performing
brain surgery. Contrary to popular belief, there ARE some things that Joe
Stupid has no business doing.
Installing an OS or building a car aren't
On Sat, Feb 07, 2004 at 10:28:03PM +0100, David Baron wrote:
> Once you do the HD installation, you have their, allbeit mixed, distro based
> on Debian and KDE.
Ok, now... we've got a stupid who couldn't figure out how to read well
enough to run the Debian installer. You thus propose to him that
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> mailing list becomes the best source of advice. Knoppsters on their mailing
> list will tell you this as well.
>
well! as Knoppix users are called Knoppsters (as you say), what do we call debian
users ?
Debianiac ?
rrs
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