On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 03:22:21PM +0100, S. Hakim Hamdani wrote:
>
> > That would be appreciated, also from my side. I found it a bit strange
> > yesterday, when I reinstalled debian on a laptop, that I couldn?t login as
> > root graphically, and also
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 10:14:54PM +0100, David Jardine wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 11:09:53AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
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>
> You know, it
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 03:22:21PM +0100, S. Hakim Hamdani wrote:
> That would be appreciated, also from my side. I found it a bit strange
> yesterday, when I reinstalled debian on a laptop, that I couldn?t login as
> root graphically, and also that as a normal user I can?t shutdown or reboot
> g
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 03:22:21PM +0100, S. Hakim Hamdani wrote:
> Also, how can one get out of the whole x system under Debian? To get back into
> text mode? I also haven?t found a method of booting into text.
The display manager 'wdm' can be configured to allow users to shutdown,
reboot and e
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From: "Rob Weir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "debian-user" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:21
Subject: Re: GUI login screen.
I must admit I dont know I thought I fixed it but must not have done so. I
printed you
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 04:22:55PM -0600, Hoyt Bailey said
> Select terminal
> Issue comand: sudo shutdown -r now
> Password: root password
Yes, you need to use your user password. "su" will let you switch to
root with root's password.
> Failed
> Password: My password
> Failed with message that
I would like to thank one and all for your assistance in this thread.
Thanks especially to Kent West for the reference to The Gnome Display
Manager Reference Manual.
It works like I think it should now and although a lot of users dont do
things this way its my way.
Regards to all;
Hoyt
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> On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 at 21:50 GMT, Hoyt Bailey penned:
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> > The point being an ex
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On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 03:24:02PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> Please consider that the reason that Debian is set up with certain
> defaults is that -- brace yourself -- overwhelmingly, the debian users
> like it that way. Debian users tend to p
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On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 09:19:30AM -0600, Kent West wrote:
> John Peter wrote:
> >I don't know what else you may require - it will hardly wash your car ...
>
> That explains the condition of my vehicle! Well then, forget Debian. I'm
> switching to No
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> On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 at 11:57 GMT, Hoyt Bailey penned:
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> >>
> >
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Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:53
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> Hoyt Bailey wrote:
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> > I am using gdm. If jail is over the top
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> > From:
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Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 09:24
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> Am Mittwoch, 5. November 2003 15:27 schrieb Hoyt Bailey:
> > - Original Mess
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From: "Colin Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "debian-user" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 07:37
Subject: Re: GUI login screen.
> On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 06:59:02PM +1100, Rob Weir wrote:
> > You can
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 at 21:50 GMT, Hoyt Bailey penned:
>
> The point being an example of
> Mainframe Mentality that seems to be growing in the Linux community
> (as someone mentioned a few days ago). Everyone should consider the
> future. What is the future of Linux? It should be to take over the
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From: "Rob Weir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "debian-user" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 02:04
Subject: Re: GUI login screen.
As an answer to your first comment; If I desire to configure the Control
Panel I
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 at 11:57 GMT, Hoyt Bailey penned:
>> >
>>
>> I think you *can* set things up such that root can log in from the
>> gui. It's just not set up that way in the *default* debian
>> configuration.
>>
> So true. A point made by others as well. However knowing that while a
> good thi
Hoyt Bailey wrote:
I am using gdm. If jail is over the top then you cannot know how I feel.
This is probably what you want:
http://www.ibiblio.org/oswg/oswg-nightly/gdm2/docs/C/gdm.html#AEN353
Especially see:
2.2.2. Security Options
[security]
AllowRoot
AllowRoot=0
Graphical root login
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Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 14:28
Subject: Re: GUI login screen and non-root shutdown...
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 10:56:47 -0600,
Kent West wrote:
[...]
If you have a
Am Mittwoch, 5. November 2003 15:27 schrieb Hoyt Bailey:
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> From: "John Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "debian-user" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 04:30
> Subject: Re: GUI login screen.
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Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 06:32
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> On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 05:57:30AM -0600, Hoyt Bailey wrote:
> > Fr
Rob Weir wrote:
Interesting fact: now that I have sudo setup, I haven't logged into this
machine as root in *months*.
That's pretty much the norm for me also. I love sudo.
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I don't know what else you may require - it will hardly wash your car ...
That explains the condition of my vehicle! Well then, forget Debian. I'm
switching to Novell/SuSE.
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> Hoyt Bailey wrote:
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On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 06:59:02PM +1100, Rob Weir wrote:
> You can almost certainly reconfigure GDM to allow you to do this, but
> it's still a REALLY silly idea. Using sudo is a good habit to get into,
> and it WILL save your arse at some point.
Well, gdm asks for the root password in order to
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Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 22:25
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> Hoyt Bailey wrote:
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> >- Original
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 05:57:30AM -0600, Hoyt Bailey wrote:
> From: "Monique Y. Herman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > I think you *can* set things up such that root can log in from the
> > gui. It's just not set up that way in the *default* debian
> > configuration.
>
> So true. A point made by others
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 06:19:54PM -0600, Hoyt Bailey said
> I do not dissagree on any point. However it should be my choice. Should I
> do something so stupid as download as root or read mail then I will be the
> one to pick up what pieces are left.
Then go for it. It's just that it's so amaz
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 03:51:35PM -0600, Hoyt Bailey said
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> To: "debian-user" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 01:28
> Subject: Re: GUI login
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> On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 at 00:19 GMT, Hoyt Bailey penned:
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> > - Original
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> On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 10:56:47 -0600,
> Kent West wrote:
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> [...]
>
> &
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From: "Roberto Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 08:41
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I do not dissagree on any point. However it should be my c
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Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 12:09
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> On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 at 13:52 GMT, Hoyt Bailey penned:
> > On a network I can understand wh
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Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 10:58
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> Ken Gilmour wrote:
> > Well i think the best solution to get around this
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Well i think the best solution to get around this is to setup a normal user
account..
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Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 08:41
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I do not dissagree on any point. However it should be my c
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> [Please wrap your lines! It makes it much easier to read, and thus more
> likely that you'll get a response. Anywhere between 70 and 80 is
> acceptable; 72 seems to be a nice value.]
>
> On
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On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 07:08:11AM -0600, Hoyt Bailey wrote:
> Ok for us stupid newbies. Why is it dangerous and stupid. RH and Caldera
> support an item in their login screen called I believe "Consol" which dumps
> you back to prior to startx and I
On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 at 00:19 GMT, Hoyt Bailey penned:
>
> - Original Message - From: "Roberto Sanchez"
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> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 08:41
> Subject: Re: GUI login screen.
&g
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Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 08:41
Subject: Re: GUI login screen.
I do not dissagree on any point. However it should be my choice. Should I
do so
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Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 01:28
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Guess I will have to.
Regards;
Hoyt
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On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 at 21:14 GMT, David Jardine penned:
> On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 11:09:53AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
>>
>>
>> PLEASE don't CC me. Please. Pretty please with sugar on top.
>> Whatever it takes, just don't CC me! I'm already subscribed!!
>>
>
> You know, it must be so o
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 10:56:47 -0600,
Kent West wrote:
[...]
> If you have an X session going, and you switch to a VTx, you
> can then log in as a different user and start a second X
> session with a command like "startx -- :1". Go to a third VT
> and start a third session with a command like "star
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 11:09:53AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
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>
> PLEASE don't CC me. Please. Pretty please with sugar on top.
> Whatever it takes, just don't CC me! I'm already subscribed!!
>
You know, it must be so obvious to you experienced people, but
there are some of us out her
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 at 13:52 GMT, Hoyt Bailey penned:
> On a network I can understand why a normal used cannot shutdown the
> system, but a single user should be able to shutdown, reboot, etc,
> without becoming root. This shouldnt be a big problem.
In fact, I think it's critical for a machine to
On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 10:56:47 -0600
Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm not sure what you're saying.
> -- If you're logged into X, and press Ctrl-Alt-Fx, you'll switch to
> VTx (e.g. Ctrl-Alt-F3 to go to VT3), and from there, if you hit
> (Ctrl-)Alt-F7 (in most cases; F5 I believe with
[Please wrap your lines! It makes it much easier to read, and thus more
likely that you'll get a response. Anywhere between 70 and 80 is
acceptable; 72 seems to be a nice value.]
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 04:28:38PM +, Ken Gilmour said
> Well i think the best solution to get around this is to
Ken Gilmour wrote:
Well i think the best solution to get around this is to setup a normal user account... then edit the /etc/passwd file and set that person with root permissions so as soon as they login theyre automatically made root.
Umm, no. That means you're still capable of doing nasty thin
S. Hakim Hamdani wrote:
just logout and it will go to text mode or use ctrl+alt+F1 if you use the
latter simply press ctrl+alt+F7 to get back to graphical mode
When I do that, I get back to the login screen, and no way of getting out of
there, except killing the xserver, which is a bit harsh.
H.
Well i think the best solution to get around this is to setup a normal user account...
then edit the /etc/passwd file and set that person with root permissions so as soon as
they login theyre automatically made root.
Best Regards,
Ken Gilmour
You may be beautiful but they're keeping my idea on
Hoyt Bailey wrote:
There are a few things I dont understand about Debians login screen.
1. Root cannot log in on this screen. Why?
Because it's dangerous and stupid. Just use su -m when you need root,
and end that session as soon as you don't need root anymore.
[snip]
Ok for us stupid newbies.
> just logout and it will go to text mode or use ctrl+alt+F1 if you use the
> latter simply press ctrl+alt+F7 to get back to graphical mode
When I do that, I get back to the login screen, and no way of getting out of
there, except killing the xserver, which is a bit harsh.
H.
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On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 03:22:21PM +0100, S. Hakim Hamdani wrote:
> That would be appreciated, also from my side. I found it a bit strange
> yesterday, when I reinstalled debian on a laptop, that I couldn´t login as
> root graphically, and also that as a normal user I can´t shutdown or reboot
> gra
> Also, how can one get out of the whole x system under Debian? To get
> back into text mode? I also haven´t found a method of booting into text.
>
You can always switch to text-mode via . Another solution is
to press n during the kdm-login-screen (I don't know about gdm,
though).
If you want t
>> As a normal user, you don't have permission to shut down. You have to
>> reconfigure whatever session manager you're using (kdm, gdm, wdm, xdm)
>> and edit the appropriate config file to allow normal users (or at least
>> you) to shut down. Figure out which session manager you're using and let
>
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Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 23:08
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> Hoyt Bailey wrote:
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> >There are a few things I dont understand about Deb
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On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 08:47:50PM -0800, Paul Johnson said
> On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 06:02:27PM -0600, Hoyt Bailey wrote:
> > There are a few things I dont understand about Debians login screen.
> > 1. Root cannot log in on this screen. Why?
>
> Because it's dangerous and stupid. Just use su -
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Thats one way but cant I have a choice. of -r or -h.
Hoyt
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Hoyt Bailey wrote:
There are a few things I dont understand about Debians login screen.
1. Root cannot log in on this screen. Why?
Security issues.
2. The sessions secect drop down menu has: Gnome, Gnome chooser, Debian,
KDE, Xsession, Failsafe Gnome, Failsafe KDE. When you leave Gnome or
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On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 06:02:27PM -0600, Hoyt Bailey wrote:
> There are a few things I dont understand about Debians login screen.
> 1. Root cannot log in on this screen. Why?
Because it's dangerous and stupid. Just use su -m when you need root,
a
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 18:02:27 -0600
"Hoyt Bailey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There are a few things I dont understand about Debians login screen.
> 1. Root cannot log in on this screen. Why?
>
> 2. The sessions secect drop down menu has: Gnome, Gnome chooser,
> Debian, KDE, Xsession, Failsafe
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