Re: To gmail or not to gmail (was Re: Fwd: selecting old machines for firewall/router use)

2011-02-22 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Ma, 22 feb 11, 09:18:12, Petrus Validus wrote: > > > I interpret the "if used correctly" bit to mean "using the GMail web > > > interface, not a 3rd party client such as Evolution or Mutt." Am I > > > correct in this interpretation? > > > > No, I mean, AFAICT, IMAP was not designed for this

Re: To gmail or not to gmail (was Re: Fwd: selecting old machines for firewall/router use)

2011-02-22 Thread Peter Tynan
On Tue, 22 Feb 2011, Petrus Validus wrote: I interpret the "if used correctly" bit to mean "using the GMail web interface, not a 3rd party client such as Evolution or Mutt." Am I correct in this interpretation? No, I mean, AFAICT, IMAP was not designed for this paradigm (same message present

Re: To gmail or not to gmail (was Re: Fwd: selecting old machines for firewall/router use)

2011-02-22 Thread Petrus Validus
> > I interpret the "if used correctly" bit to mean "using the GMail web > > interface, not a 3rd party client such as Evolution or Mutt." Am I > > correct in this interpretation? > > No, I mean, AFAICT, IMAP was not designed for this paradigm (same > message present in different folders/tags/

Re: To gmail or not to gmail (was Re: Fwd: selecting old machines for firewall/router use)

2011-02-22 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Lu, 21 feb 11, 20:26:45, Petrus Validus wrote: > > > Is there a way for this to be disabled and subsequently have > > > messages be displayed in their specific folders...or is this just how > > > Gmail works? > > > > This one of the better "innovation" brought by Gmail, if used correctly. >

Re: To gmail or not to gmail (was Re: Fwd: selecting old machines for firewall/router use)

2011-02-22 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Lu, 21 feb 11, 22:39:46, Peter Tynan wrote: > On 21 February 2011 21:24, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > Maybe this is mutt specific, but if I just delete the mail from Inbox in > > All Mail the message is still marked as unread (a.k.a new). If I mark it > > as read and sync, then it's also marked

Re: To gmail or not to gmail (was Re: Fwd: selecting old machines for firewall/router use)

2011-02-21 Thread Petrus Validus
> Hmm, as far as I understand, a message is always present in [Gmail]/All > Mail', unless moved to [Gmail]/Trash or [Gmail]/Spam. New mail (not > filtered) goes to my Inbox. If I want to get rid of it for good I move > it to [Gmail]/Trash, but if I want to "archive" it I just delete the > Inbox

Re: To gmail or not to gmail (was Re: Fwd: selecting old machines for firewall/router use)

2011-02-21 Thread Petrus Validus
> > Is there a way for this to be disabled and subsequently have > > messages be displayed in their specific folders...or is this just how > > Gmail works? > > This one of the better "innovation" brought by Gmail, if used correctly. I interpret the "if used correctly" bit to mean "using the GM

Re: To gmail or not to gmail (was Re: Fwd: selecting old machines for firewall/router use)

2011-02-21 Thread Peter Tynan
On 21 February 2011 21:24, Andrei Popescu wrote: > Maybe this is mutt specific, but if I just delete the mail from Inbox in > All Mail the message is still marked as unread (a.k.a new). If I mark it > as read and sync, then it's also marked as read in All Mail. I assume > Gmail takes the delete f

Re: To gmail or not to gmail (was Re: Fwd: selecting old machines for firewall/router use)

2011-02-21 Thread Peter Tynan
On Mon, 21 Feb 2011, Andrei Popescu wrote: If you send via Gmail's SMTP you always have a copy in Gmail's sent, so it should be enough to tell alpine not to save its own copy. Check the headers - I use a local sendmail. I've been doing some digging and it is in a sub-folder named "Google Mail

Re: To gmail or not to gmail (was Re: Fwd: selecting old machines for firewall/router use)

2011-02-21 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Lu, 21 feb 11, 20:49:49, Peter Tynan wrote: > On Mon, 21 Feb 2011, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > >On Lu, 21 feb 11, 12:59:56, Petrus Validus wrote: > > > >This one of the better "innovation" brought by Gmail, if used correctly. > > > >Unfortunately it's not very usable via IMAP. Example: > >How do

Re: To gmail or not to gmail (was Re: Fwd: selecting old machines for firewall/router use)

2011-02-21 Thread Peter Tynan
On Mon, 21 Feb 2011, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Lu, 21 feb 11, 12:59:56, Petrus Validus wrote: This one of the better "innovation" brought by Gmail, if used correctly. Unfortunately it's not very usable via IMAP. Example: How do I tell mutt to tag the message as read in All Mail when I delete it

Re: To gmail or not to gmail (was Re: Fwd: selecting old machines for firewall/router use)

2011-02-21 Thread Peter Tynan
On Mon, 21 Feb 2011, Petrus Validus wrote: Get away from the web interface. Install Icedove/Evolution/Mutt and use Google's IMAPs interface. I use Evolution and Mutt with Google's IMAP interface. It works nicely but I've noticed this quirky behavior when using a client via IMAP. My messages

Re: To gmail or not to gmail (was Re: Fwd: selecting old machines for firewall/router use)

2011-02-21 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Lu, 21 feb 11, 12:59:56, Petrus Validus wrote: > > Get away from the web interface. Install Icedove/Evolution/Mutt and use > > Google's IMAPs interface. > > I use Evolution and Mutt with Google's IMAP interface. It works nicely > but I've noticed this quirky behavior when using a client via

Re: To gmail or not to gmail (was Re: Fwd: selecting old machines for firewall/router use)

2011-02-21 Thread Petrus Validus
> Get away from the web interface. Install Icedove/Evolution/Mutt and use > Google's IMAPs interface. I use Evolution and Mutt with Google's IMAP interface. It works nicely but I've noticed this quirky behavior when using a client via IMAP. My messages appear in multiple places at the same t

Re: To gmail or not to gmail (was Re: Fwd: selecting old machines for firewall/router use)

2011-02-21 Thread Russell Gadd
00 >>> From: Ron Johnson >>> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org >>> Subject: Re: To gmail or not to gmail (was Re: Fwd: selecting old >>> machines for >>> firewall/router use) >>> Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 05:54:49 + (UTC) >>> Resent-From: debi

Re: To gmail or not to gmail (was Re: Fwd: selecting old machines for firewall/router use)

2011-02-20 Thread Ron Johnson
On 02/21/2011 12:17 AM, Peter Tynan wrote: On Sun, 20 Feb 2011, Ron Johnson wrote: Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 23:54:27 -0600 From: Ron Johnson To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: To gmail or not to gmail (was Re: Fwd: selecting old machines for firewall/router use) Resent-Date: Mon, 21

Re: To gmail or not to gmail (was Re: Fwd: selecting old machines for firewall/router use)

2011-02-20 Thread Peter Tynan
On Sun, 20 Feb 2011, Ron Johnson wrote: Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 23:54:27 -0600 From: Ron Johnson To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: To gmail or not to gmail (was Re: Fwd: selecting old machines for firewall/router use) Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 05:54:49 + (UTC) Resent

Re: To gmail or not to gmail (was Re: Fwd: selecting old machines for firewall/router use)

2011-02-20 Thread Peter Tynan
On Sun, 20 Feb 2011, Ron Johnson wrote: Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 23:54:27 -0600 From: Ron Johnson To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: To gmail or not to gmail (was Re: Fwd: selecting old machines for firewall/router use) Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 05:54:49 + (UTC) Resent

Re: To gmail or not to gmail (was Re: Fwd: selecting old machines for firewall/router use)

2011-02-20 Thread Ron Johnson
On 02/20/2011 11:01 PM, Peter Tynan wrote: On Sun, 20 Feb 2011, Ron Johnson wrote: Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 22:02:48 -0600 From: Ron Johnson To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: To gmail or not to gmail (was Re: Fwd: selecting old machines for firewall/router use) Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb

Re: To gmail or not to gmail (was Re: Fwd: selecting old machines for firewall/router use)

2011-02-20 Thread Peter Tynan
On Sun, 20 Feb 2011, Ron Johnson wrote: Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 22:02:48 -0600 From: Ron Johnson To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: To gmail or not to gmail (was Re: Fwd: selecting old machines for firewall/router use) Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 04:03:05 + (UTC) Resent-From

To gmail or not to gmail (was Re: Fwd: selecting old machines for firewall/router use)

2011-02-20 Thread Ron Johnson
On 02/20/2011 09:42 PM, Heddle Weaver wrote: Got to get away from gmail. No list reply feature. Get away from the web interface. Install Icedove/Evolution/Mutt and use Google's IMAPs interface. -- "The normal condition of mankind is tyranny and misery." Milton Friedman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,