Re: Very old hardware...

On 7/11/20 7:07 PM, David Wright wrote: On Sun 05 Jul 2020 at 23:44:09 (+0200), Thomas Schmitt wrote: David Wright wrote: My 650MHz Pentium III (Coppermine) [...] consumes ~50mA idling, ~300mA when busy. [...] at 220V 11 to 66 Watt. That's unusual for a full size PC of that time. I knew some

Re: Very old hardware...

David Wright wrote: > Sorry, "idling" is probably not the best term—I extracted the line > from a spreadsheet of power consumptions for a multitude of different > electronics and electrical appliances. For this PC, it means switched > on, but with only the NIC waiting for a wakeup call. So the dis

Re: Very old hardware...

On Sun 05 Jul 2020 at 23:44:09 (+0200), Thomas Schmitt wrote: > David Wright wrote: > > > > My 650MHz Pentium III (Coppermine) [...] > > consumes ~50mA idling, ~300mA when busy. [...] at 220V > > 11 to 66 Watt. That's unusual for a full size PC of that time. > I knew some which issued 10 Watts alr

Re: Very old hardware...

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 davidson wrote: On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 06 iul 20, 21:41:11, Andy Smith wrote: I still wouldn't use OP's system for anything except curiosity or maybe propping a door open. That's probably the only use for which it is better than a Raspberry Pi (or

Re: Very old hardware...

On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 Davide Lombardo wrote: Good evening Debian User, I have found an old PC with these specs: CPU: Pentium III 700 Mhz; DRAM: 64 MB SDDR GPU: RIVA TNT-2 HARDISK: 10 GB FLOPPY DISK DRIVE MODEM 56K In the receipt is written 3,000 Lire (1,500) Euro of today... Do you think I can insta

Re: Very old hardware...

On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 06 iul 20, 21:41:11, Andy Smith wrote: I still wouldn't use OP's system for anything except curiosity or maybe propping a door open. That's probably the only use for which it is better than a Raspberry Pi (or equivalent) ;) Isn't OP's system l

Re: Very old hardware...

On Lu, 06 iul 20, 21:41:11, Andy Smith wrote: > > I still wouldn't use OP's system for anything except curiosity or > maybe propping a door open. That's probably the only use for which it is better than a Raspberry Pi (or equivalent) ;) Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDe

Re: Very old hardware...

On Saturday, 4 July 2020 15:04:22 -04 Davide Lombardo wrote: > On Friday, 3 July 2020 22:57:06 CEST Charles Curley wrote: > > On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 19:17:33 +0200 > > > > Davide Lombardo wrote: > > > Good evening Debian User, I have found an old PC with these specs: > > > CPU: Pentium III 700 Mhz; >

Re: Very old hardware...

Hello, On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 07:11:31PM +0200, deloptes wrote: > 128 and 256MB on the Geode - 12 years in service > buster with sysvinit, postfix, openvpn and shorewall I have a Soekris net4801 which is an AMD Geode 266MHz with 128M RAM, put to similar use. I'm going to retire it this month but

Re: Very old hardware...

Dan Ritter wrote: > I can point to several VMs that are running useful things on > buster in just over 256MB of RAM -- 384 would provide a fair > amount of headroom. > > nginx and mail and DNS and NTP and so forth, all at once. > > I note that EBay has lots of used 256 and 512MB DDR RAM availabl

Re: Very old hardware...

to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 11:37:28AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 05:34:25PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 10:13:14AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > One of the benefits of wheezy is that

Re: Very old hardware...

On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 05:47:19PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 11:37:28AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 05:34:25PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 10:13:14AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > >

Re: Very old hardware...

On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 11:37:28AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 05:34:25PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 10:13:14AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > One of the benefits of wheezy is that you don't get systemd. > > > > Buster

Re: Very old hardware...

On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 05:34:25PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 10:13:14AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > [...] > > > One of the benefits of wheezy is that you don't get systemd. > > Buster runs fine without systemd. But probably not in 64 MB.

Re: Very old hardware...

On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 10:13:14AM -0500, David Wright wrote: [...] > One of the benefits of wheezy is that you don't get systemd. Buster runs fine without systemd. Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Very old hardware...

On Mon 06 Jul 2020 at 07:45:33 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Jul 03, 2020 at 09:34:25PM +0300, Georgi Naplatanov wrote: > > On 7/3/20 8:17 PM, Davide Lombardo wrote: > > > Good evening Debian User, I have found an old PC with these specs: > > > CPU: Pentium III 700 Mhz; > > > DRAM: 64 MB

Re: Very old hardware...

On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 19:19:35 +0200 "0...@caiway.net" <0...@caiway.net> wrote: > On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 19:17:33 +0200 > Davide Lombardo wrote: > > > Good evening Debian User, I have found an old PC with these specs: > > CPU: Pentium III 700 Mhz; > > DRAM: 64 MB SDDR > > GPU: RIVA TNT-2 > > HARDISK:

Re: Very old hardware...

On Fri, Jul 03, 2020 at 09:34:25PM +0300, Georgi Naplatanov wrote: > On 7/3/20 8:17 PM, Davide Lombardo wrote: > > Good evening Debian User, I have found an old PC with these specs: > > CPU: Pentium III 700 Mhz; > > DRAM: 64 MB SDDR > I'm not sure what is minimum RAM requirement for Debian Linux

Re: Very old hardware...

Hi, David Wright wrote: > > > My 650MHz Pentium III (Coppermine) [...] > consumes ~50mA idling, ~300mA when busy. [...] at 220V 11 to 66 Watt. That's unusual for a full size PC of that time. I knew some which issued 10 Watts already by noise power and could heat a small sized office room in winte

Re: Very old hardware...

David Wright wrote: Why do I keep mine? 1) Sentimentality, as it was the one on my work desk when I retired. 2) Being a tower, it has room for up to 4 PATA drives. The loaned Optiplex only holds one—after that, I'm down to an old PATA caddy. 3) There's no WEEE here, so I'm not sure exactly how on

Re: Very old hardware...

On Sun 05 Jul 2020 at 05:15:58 (+), Long Wind wrote: > On Sunday, July 5, 2020, 12:59:02 PM GMT+8, David Wright > wrote: > > Why do I keep mine? 1) Sentimentality, as it was the one on my work desk > > when I retired. 2) Being a tower, it has room for up to 4 PATA drives. > > The loaned Opt

Re: Very old hardware...

On Sun 05 Jul 2020 at 12:06:12 (+0200), deloptes wrote: > David Wright wrote: > > > I was under the impression that i586 was a Debian invention for > > kernels that had been termed i486, in order to prevent the impression > > that they would run on 486 hardware (as they had done previously). > >

Re: Very old hardware...

My DOS/Linux dual-boot at home was constructed from spare parts, including a cast-off Dell motherboard from work that is old enough to support two physical floppy drives (it has a 360k and a 1.44M). It runs IBM PC-DOS 2000 (lightning fast), with DOSSHELL, WordPerfect 5.1, Quattro, and Xerox Ve

Re: Very old hardware...

On Sun, 2020-07-05 at 12:06 +0200, deloptes wrote: > David Wright wrote: > > > I was under the impression that i586 was a Debian invention for > > kernels that had been termed i486, in order to prevent the impression > > that they would run on 486 hardware (as they had done previously). > > > > I

Re: Very old hardware...

David Wright wrote: > I was under the impression that i586 was a Debian invention for > kernels that had been termed i486, in order to prevent the impression > that they would run on 486 hardware (as they had done previously). > > I would expect a 700MHz Pentium III to run a 686 kernel. > My 650M

Re: Very old hardware...

On Sun, 2020-07-05 at 16:33 +1000, Keith bainbridge wrote: > On 4/7/20 12:08 pm, Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 1:49 PM Jude DaShiell > > wrote: > > > > Debian with xfce or mate or cinnamon may install and run well.  > > I don't > > r

Re: Very old hardware...

On 5/7/20 1:50 am, Davide Lombardo wrote: Maybe I can just setup this PC as a Tor's Relay Again, the Pi would likely be better -- Keith Bainbridge keithr...@gmail.com 0447 667468

Re: Very old hardware...

On 4/7/20 12:10 pm, David Christensen wrote: On 2020-07-03 11:58, Michael Stone wrote: > For practical purposes, you'd be better off with a $35 raspberry PI. +1 +1 more iI have a Pi 3b with 1G ram and it does pretty well - even thought I'm used to an i7 with 8G ram and SSD On 2020-07

Re: Very old hardware...

On 4/7/20 12:08 pm, Kenneth Parker wrote: On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 1:49 PM Jude DaShiell > wrote: Debian with xfce or mate or cinnamon may install and run well.  I don't recommend gnome. +1 +1 more I'm just note sure that 64M ram is going to cut it. I

Re: Very old hardware...

On Sun 05 Jul 2020 at 04:35:49 (+0200), deloptes wrote: > Davide Lombardo wrote: > > On Friday, 3 July 2020 20:58:52 CEST Michael Stone wrote: > >> On Fri, Jul 03, 2020 at 07:17:33PM +0200, Davide Lombardo wrote: > >> >Good evening Debian User, I have found an old PC with these specs: > >> >CPU: Pe

Re: Very old hardware...

Davide Lombardo wrote: > On Friday, 3 July 2020 20:58:52 CEST Michael Stone wrote: >> On Fri, Jul 03, 2020 at 07:17:33PM +0200, Davide Lombardo wrote: >> >Good evening Debian User, I have found an old PC with these specs: >> >CPU: Pentium III 700 Mhz; >> >DRAM: 64 MB SDDR >> >GPU: RIVA TNT-2 >> >H

Re: Very old hardware...

nome Files for every Locale in the World! It > took a while to clean this up! > > > On Fri, 3 Jul 2020, Davide Lombardo wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 13:17:33 > > > From: Davide Lombardo > > > To: Debian-user List Debian > > > Subject: Very old

Re: Very old hardware...

On Friday, 3 July 2020 20:01:50 CEST Christian Groessler wrote: > 3000 Lire? > > Did you mean 3.000,000 Lire? > > regards, > chris > > On 2020-07-03 19:17, Davide Lombardo wrote: > > Good evening Debian User, I have found an old PC with these specs: > > CPU: Pentium III 700 Mhz; > > DRAM: 64 MB

Re: Computer Museum (was Re: Very old hardware...)

On 7/3/20 5:40 PM, Kenneth Parker wrote: > This is, actually something I would like to do.  Anyone know of good > Computer Museums in areas they've been in?  (I remember a good one, > South of San Francisco, but that's on the other side of the Country from > North Carolina). > > I have a couple th

Re: Very old hardware...

On Friday, 3 July 2020 22:57:06 CEST Charles Curley wrote: > On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 19:17:33 +0200 > > Davide Lombardo wrote: > > Good evening Debian User, I have found an old PC with these specs: > > CPU: Pentium III 700 Mhz; > > It might be useful to identify the manufacturer of the computer or >

Re: Very old hardware...

On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 19:17:33 +0200 Davide Lombardo wrote: > Good evening Debian User, I have found an old PC with these specs: > CPU: Pentium III 700 Mhz; > DRAM: 64 MB SDDR > GPU: RIVA TNT-2 > HARDISK: 10 GB > FLOPPY DISK DRIVE > MODEM 56K > In the receipt is written 3,000 Lire (1,500) Euro of

Re: Very old hardware...

Davide Lombardo wrote: > Maybe I can just setup this PC as a Tor's Relay Perhaps you did not understand correctly. The old 386 architecture is not likely to be supported by recent kernels. The power consumptioned to processing power ratio is below reasonable value. It is not likely it makes sense

Re: Very old hardware...

On Friday, 3 July 2020 20:58:52 CEST Michael Stone wrote: > On Fri, Jul 03, 2020 at 07:17:33PM +0200, Davide Lombardo wrote: > >Good evening Debian User, I have found an old PC with these specs: > >CPU: Pentium III 700 Mhz; > >DRAM: 64 MB SDDR > >GPU: RIVA TNT-2 > >HARDISK: 10 GB > >FLOPPY DISK DRI

Re: Very old hardware...

Michael Stone wrote: > If the goal is just to experiment then you could run an older version of > debian. (I think there's not enough memory for the current install > routine.) OpenBSD or NetBSD or a linux distribution oriented toward > small systems would run. Nothing will give you a good experie

Re: Very old hardware...

David Christensen wrote: > On 2020-07-03 11:08, Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Friday 03 July 2020 13:17:33 Davide Lombardo wrote: >> >>> Good evening Debian User, I have found an old PC with these specs: > >> Donate it to the curbside pickup. > > +1 > > > On 2020-07-03 11:58, Michael Stone wrote: > >

Re: Computer Museum (was Re: Very old hardware...)

On 07/03/2020 06:40 PM, Kenneth Parker wrote: This is, actually something I would like to do. Anyone know of good Computer Museums in areas they've been in? (I remember a good one, South of San Francisco, but that's on the other side of the Country from North Carolina). I don't know of a com

Re: Very old hardware...

On 2020-07-03 11:08, Gene Heskett wrote: On Friday 03 July 2020 13:17:33 Davide Lombardo wrote: Good evening Debian User, I have found an old PC with these specs: Donate it to the curbside pickup. +1 On 2020-07-03 11:58, Michael Stone wrote: > For practical purposes, you'd be better off

Re: Very old hardware...

Lombardo wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 13:17:33 > > From: Davide Lombardo > > To: Debian-user List Debian > > Subject: Very old hardware... > > > > Good evening Debian User, I have found an old PC with these specs: > > CPU: Pentium III 700 Mhz; >

Computer Museum (was Re: Very old hardware...)

This is, actually something I would like to do. Anyone know of good Computer Museums in areas they've been in? (I remember a good one, South of San Francisco, but that's on the other side of the Country from North Carolina). I have a couple that I REALLY want to make work, in a Museum Environmen

Re: Very old hardware...

On Fri, 03 Jul 2020 19:17:33 +0200 Davide Lombardo wrote: > Good evening Debian User, I have found an old PC with these specs: > CPU: Pentium III 700 Mhz; It might be useful to identify the manufacturer of the computer or motherboard, and search the Internet for documentation. You may want to a

Re: Very old hardware...

Hi, economically and ecologically it makes few sense to let old computers do real work, even if they are for free. The ratio of power consumption to computing power is like with an old 100 W light bulb. But as exhibition object 'tis ok. :)) Davide Lombardo wrote: > > CPU: Pentium III 700 Mhz; >

Re: Very old hardware...

On Fri, Jul 03, 2020 at 07:17:33PM +0200, Davide Lombardo wrote: Good evening Debian User, I have found an old PC with these specs: CPU: Pentium III 700 Mhz; DRAM: 64 MB SDDR GPU: RIVA TNT-2 HARDISK: 10 GB FLOPPY DISK DRIVE MODEM 56K In the receipt is written 3,000 Lire (1,500) Euro of today... D

Re: Very old hardware...

On 7/3/20 8:17 PM, Davide Lombardo wrote: > Good evening Debian User, I have found an old PC with these specs: > CPU: Pentium III 700 Mhz; > DRAM: 64 MB SDDR > GPU: RIVA TNT-2 > HARDISK: 10 GB > FLOPPY DISK DRIVE > MODEM 56K > In the receipt is written 3,000 Lire (1,500) Euro of today... > Do you

Re: Very old hardware...

3000 Lire? Did you mean 3.000,000 Lire? regards, chris On 2020-07-03 19:17, Davide Lombardo wrote: Good evening Debian User, I have found an old PC with these specs: CPU: Pentium III 700 Mhz; DRAM: 64 MB SDDR GPU: RIVA TNT-2 HARDISK: 10 GB FLOPPY DISK DRIVE MODEM 56K In the receipt is written

Re: Very old hardware...

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Friday, July 3, 2020 12:08 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 03 July 2020 13:17:33 Davide Lombardo wrote: > > > Good evening Debian User, I have found an old PC with these specs: > > CPU: Pentium III 700 Mhz;

Re: Very old hardware...

Am Freitag, 3. Juli 2020, 19:17:33 CEST schrieb Davide Lombardo: Yeah, try debian/i386 with LXDE. It will run as fast as WindowsXP with a 2GHz singlecore cpu. Graphics speed will run fast enough for office applications like libreoffice, but not for games. Oh, does it run Doom? Of course! OpenG

Re: Very old hardware...

On Friday 03 July 2020 13:17:33 Davide Lombardo wrote: > Good evening Debian User, I have found an old PC with these specs: > CPU: Pentium III 700 Mhz; > DRAM: 64 MB SDDR > GPU: RIVA TNT-2 > HARDISK: 10 GB > FLOPPY DISK DRIVE > MODEM 56K > In the receipt is written 3,000 Lire (1,500) Euro of today

Re: Very old hardware...

Debian with xfce or mate or cinnamon may install and run well. I don't recommend gnome. On Fri, 3 Jul 2020, Davide Lombardo wrote: > Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 13:17:33 > From: Davide Lombardo > To: Debian-user List Debian > Subject: Very old hardware... > > Good evening De

Very old hardware...

Good evening Debian User, I have found an old PC with these specs: CPU: Pentium III 700 Mhz; DRAM: 64 MB SDDR GPU: RIVA TNT-2 HARDISK: 10 GB FLOPPY DISK DRIVE MODEM 56K In the receipt is written 3,000 Lire (1,500) Euro of today... Do you think I can install something different than the already ins