On 18/09/2014, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry, John. But we should be going OT
On Thursday 18 September 2014 00:45:24 John Hasler wrote:
Lisi writes:
There are four countries in the United Kingdom: Ireland, Scotland,
Wales and England.
In roughly the same sense in
On 18/09/2014, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote:
On 18/09/2014, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry, John. But we should be going OT
On Thursday 18 September 2014 00:45:24 John Hasler wrote:
Lisi writes:
There are four countries in the United Kingdom: Ireland, Scotland,
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 06:42:29AM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Wednesday 17 September 2014 23:14:33 Martin Read wrote:
Ahem. *Northern* Ireland.
*Ireland*, unqualified, is the name of the second largest of the British
Isles, and of the parliamentary republic which occupies five-sixths of
On 18/09/14 07:42, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Wednesday 17 September 2014 23:14:33 Martin Read wrote:
Is it just me who's wondering why no one - no powerful list master -
is trying to stop this?
This exchange of whatever is really *totally* OT, if that word has any
meaning at all.
p.
On 18/09/14 at 01:33pm, Peter Nieman wrote:
On 18/09/14 07:42, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Wednesday 17 September 2014 23:14:33 Martin Read wrote:
Is it just me who's wondering why no one - no powerful list master - is
trying to stop this?
+1
This exchange of whatever is really
On 9/18/2014 1:53 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
Sorry, John. But we should be going OT
On Thursday 18 September 2014 00:45:24 John Hasler wrote:
Lisi writes:
There are four countries in the United Kingdom: Ireland, Scotland,
Wales and England.
In roughly the same sense in which there are
Lisi writes:
It is a complete misunderstanding (misinformation?) that [the
countries that constitute the UK] are merely States
It is a complete misunderstanding that the states that constitute the USA
are merely provinces.
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John Hasler writes:
Lisi writes:
It is a complete misunderstanding (misinformation?) that [the
countries that constitute the UK] are merely States
It is a complete misunderstanding that the states that constitute the USA
are merely provinces.
and none of them comes in .deb .
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On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 02:48:44PM +0200, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
John Hasler writes:
Lisi writes:
It is a complete misunderstanding (misinformation?) that [the
countries that constitute the UK] are merely States
It is a complete misunderstanding that the states that constitute
Steve Litt writes:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 18:20:46 +0200
Gian Uberto Lauri sa...@eng.it wrote:
Often in the past young people arrived screaming We have the great
new thing that will change all, and a lot of great new things were
lost in time like tears in rain...
Let's not
2014/09/15 2:53 Bartosz Olender bartek.olen...@gmail.com:
I am probably one of the few people (at least from what I can see by
following this topic) on this mailing list, that don't mind systemd and
see that the benefits of switching to it outclass the negatives.
Therefore I want to poke my
Joel Rees writes:
Steve's working on alternatives to debian+systemd.* and I'm trying to
figure out what useful function systemd and friends really perform so that
we can make something that the developers can use instead. Steve seems to
be having more success than I.
Nice to read this!
W dniu 17.09.2014 10:13, Joel Rees pisze:
Very nice social engineering job. Turned into a nice tarpit, too.
You are really overrating my ability, all I wanted to do was to share my
opinion and start a mature discussion about why systemd is not welcome
in the Linux community. And honestly,
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 06:20:46PM +0200, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
Often in the past young people arrived screaming We have the great
new thing that will change all, and a lot of great new things were
lost in time like tears in rain...
Ummm, what has the Macintosh got to do with this? :)
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Chris Bannister writes:
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 06:20:46PM +0200, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
Often in the past young people arrived screaming We have the great
new thing that will change all, and a lot of great new things were
lost in time like tears in rain...
Ummm, what has the
On 2014-09-17, Gian Uberto Lauri sa...@eng.it wrote:
Ummm, what has the Macintosh got to do with this? :)
Nothing. I was talking about GNU/Linux.
I think that was humor (smiley). I was going to ask you what the whole
the thing had to do with Blade Runner, but I didn't.
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On 09/17/2014 at 04:13 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
Guys we've got better things to do than get sucked into this kind
of quibbling.
Steve's working on alternatives to debian+systemd.* and I'm trying
to figure out what useful function systemd and
Curt writes:
On 2014-09-17, Gian Uberto Lauri sa...@eng.it wrote:
Ummm, what has the Macintosh got to do with this? :)
Nothing. I was talking about GNU/Linux.
I think that was humor (smiley).
Really? I did not see any.
I was going to ask you what the whole
the thing
On 2014-09-17, Gian Uberto Lauri sa...@eng.it wrote:
I think that was humor (smiley).
Really? I did not see any.
Yes, that's obvious enough.
I was going to ask you what the whole
the thing had to do with Blade Runner, but I didn't.
Still can't see the humor. Maybe you guys have
On Wednesday 17 September 2014 16:54:02 Curt wrote:
On 2014-09-17, Gian Uberto Lauri sa...@eng.it wrote:
I think that was humor (smiley).
Really? I did not see any.
Yes, that's obvious enough.
I was going to ask you what the whole
the thing had to do with Blade Runner, but I
Curt writes:
Still can't see the humor. Maybe you guys have something strong to share...
Merely a cinematic reference.
My error, they told me! Never argue...
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Lisi Reisz writes:
Sorry Gian Uberto Lauri, this is an international list, but it is also an
English speaking one. Native speakers will occasionally stray into humour
which is not obvious to all nationalities.
I knew I should have not opened this e-mail according to the Never
argue...
On 18/09/2014, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday 17 September 2014 16:54:02 Curt wrote:
On 2014-09-17, Gian Uberto Lauri sa...@eng.it wrote:
I think that was humor (smiley).
Really? I did not see any.
Yes, that's obvious enough.
I was going to ask you what the
On Wednesday 17 September 2014 18:06:12 Bret Busby wrote:
And, in a couple of days time, we get to find whether the term
british will just be a historical thing.
No, the island isn't going to disappear! It may just have more than one
sovereign state in it. The Union is quite recent. The
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 18:34:19 +0100
Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:
The
island dates back to the end of the last Ice Age.
And, sometimes, its mentality too ;-p)
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On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 05:13:24PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
2014/09/15 2:53 Bartosz Olender bartek.olen...@gmail.com:
I am probably one of the few people (at least from what I can see by
following this topic) on this mailing list, that don't mind systemd and
see that the benefits of
On 18/09/2014, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday 17 September 2014 18:06:12 Bret Busby wrote:
And, in a couple of days time, we get to find whether the term
british will just be a historical thing.
No, the island isn't going to disappear! It may just have more than one
On Wednesday 17 September 2014 21:20:19 Bret Busby wrote:
Out here in the federation of penal colonies - the anti-poads, what we
have heard, of the arguments and predictions of the leaders of the
parliamentary parties of the english parliament, makes it appear that
the english parliament
On 17/09/14 22:54, Lisi Reisz wrote:
Ah! That is the first time you, or anyone else, ha(ve)(s) even hinted at
England. And there is no English Parliament, so I don't know how you
Antipodeans hear anything from non-existent English Parliamentary parties.
There is a UK Parliament, an Irish
Just sail on over to this side of the pond. We can park you close to
Florida. The weather is fine save for a minor summer/autumn storm
every few years. We need a crisis like adding a 51st star to the
flag, but that's minor. Just be sure to bring the Triumph factory
along with you! It would be
Lisi writes:
There are four countries in the United Kingdom: Ireland, Scotland,
Wales and England.
In roughly the same sense in which there are fifty countries in the USA.
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On Wednesday 17 September 2014 23:14:33 Martin Read wrote:
Ahem. *Northern* Ireland.
*Ireland*, unqualified, is the name of the second largest of the British
Isles, and of the parliamentary republic which occupies five-sixths of
that island.
Mea culpa! I stand corrected. But at that rate
Sorry, John. But we should be going OT
On Thursday 18 September 2014 00:45:24 John Hasler wrote:
Lisi writes:
There are four countries in the United Kingdom: Ireland, Scotland,
Wales and England.
In roughly the same sense in which there are fifty countries in the USA.
No. They are
On 09/15/2014 03:31 AM, sa...@eng.it wrote:
Bartosz Olender writes:
Therefore I want to poke my three cents into this discussion
reminding that GNU is *Not* Unix
May I recall that most of the systemd-haters knows the recursive
expansion of GNU?
Most of us are no
On 15/09/2014, Bartosz Olender bartek.olen...@gmail.com wrote:
snip
Plan 9 is considered a spiritual successor to UNIX with it's
principles taken to the extreme. But it never took off, it's still
researched on but as I see it, besides researching how far we can push
this UNIX concept, I
Am Dienstag, 16. September 2014, 08:46:36 schrieb Charlie:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 23:48:02 +0200 Martin Steigerwald sent:
I have mixed thoughts and feelings about systemd… but on the other
hand I think discussing this further here… is… a waste of time – as
it won´t change anything.
I'm
On 09/16/2014 09:56 AM, Bret Busby wrote:
On 15/09/2014, Bartosz Olender bartek.olen...@gmail.com wrote:
snip
Plan 9 is considered a spiritual successor to UNIX with it's
principles taken to the extreme. But it never took off, it's still
researched on but as I see it, besides researching
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 05:16:32PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
Sorry, I see only that he represented his views, which also happens to
coincide with my own. Please, if you have to label someone, you've lost your
argument's points from the get-go. :) Ric
Also his views were known long before 1995
Bret Busby wrote:
Please remember, by virtue of its name, the mailing list appears to be
a list for Debian users - for everyday, common, layman type users,
like me, rather than people schooled in obscure concepts; users who
may be seeking advice and assistance with day to day, layman type
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 09:00:40AM +0200, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
Sorry? Should we add some dressing to the barbecue? O.K. I am not an
English native speaker.
Not a good idea, it only causes eye watering smoke to billow everywhere.
You are better off adding dressing to the food once it has
On 09/16/2014 03:00 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
And the GNU project started in 1984, so in the early '90 we already
were working on bash an gcc and start enjoying the GNU version of
some command in an improved Unix experience.
AH! You said it yourself! ...an improved _Unix_ experience.
Doug writes:
On 09/16/2014 03:00 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
And the GNU project started in 1984, so in the early '90 we already
were working on bash an gcc and start enjoying the GNU version of
some command in an improved Unix experience.
AH! You said it yourself! ...an
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 09:54:12AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Am Dienstag, 16. September 2014, 08:46:36 schrieb Charlie:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 23:48:02 +0200 Martin Steigerwald sent:
I have mixed thoughts and feelings about systemd… but on the other
hand I think discussing this
Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
Doug writes:
On 09/16/2014 03:00 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
And the GNU project started in 1984, so in the early '90 we already
were working on bash an gcc and start enjoying the GNU version of
some command in an improved Unix experience.
AH!
On 16/09/14 17:43, Andre N Batista wrote:
I find your lack of imagination disturbing. So disturbing that I here
and now propose a better approach: dox da madafuka hairy poetter and
point these threads as his fault, his problem. For years to come people
would remember what happens to those who
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 13:25:16 -0400
Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote:
Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
Doug writes:
On 09/16/2014 03:00 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
And the GNU project started in 1984, so in the early '90 we
already were working on bash an gcc and
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 13:25:16 -0400
Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote:
Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
Doug writes:
On 09/16/2014 03:00 AM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
And the GNU project started in 1984, so in the early '90 we
already were working on bash an gcc and
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014, Andre N Batista wrote:
dox da madafuka hairy poetter and point these threads as his fault,
his problem.
Threats like this have absolutely no place on Debian mailing lists.
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 13:25:16 -0400
Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote:
So... to whomever it was that said GNU is irrelevant, or words to
that effect... Debian, and most (all?) Linux distros are very much
dependent on GNU. Arguably, Debian is more intertwined with GNU than
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 18:49:21 +0100
Joe j...@jretrading.com wrote:
Sorry about that, Claws seems to have developed hiccups, and has been
firmly thumped on the back...
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On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 18:20:46 +0200
Gian Uberto Lauri sa...@eng.it wrote:
Often in the past young people arrived screaming We have the great
new thing that will change all, and a lot of great new things were
lost in time like tears in rain...
Let's not make it about age. I bet I can find
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 19:12:44 +0100
Joe j...@jretrading.com wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 18:49:21 +0100
Joe j...@jretrading.com wrote:
Sorry about that, Claws seems to have developed hiccups, and has been
firmly thumped on the back...
LOL, Claws sucks, but it's the best email client
On 09/16/2014 01:36 PM, Don Armstrong wrote:
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014, Andre N Batista wrote:
dox da madafuka hairy poetter and point these threads as his fault,
his problem.
Threats like this have absolutely no place on Debian mailing lists.
Threat? I couldn't figure out what he was saying,
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 10:36:51 -0700
Don Armstrong d...@debian.org wrote:
Threats like this have absolutely no place on Debian mailing lists.
Let it be, at this rate there will be blood (a lot) for Halloween ;-)
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On 9/16/14, Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de wrote:
Am Dienstag, 16. September 2014, 08:46:36 schrieb Charlie:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 23:48:02 +0200 Martin Steigerwald sent:
I have mixed thoughts and feelings about systemd… but on the other
hand I think discussing this further here… is… a
On 16/09/2014, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote:
Bret Busby wrote:
Please remember, by virtue of its name, the mailing list appears to be
a list for Debian users - for everyday, common, layman type users,
like me, rather than people schooled in obscure concepts; users who
may
Bret Busby wrote:
On 16/09/2014, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote:
Bret Busby wrote:
Please remember, by virtue of its name, the mailing list appears to be
a list for Debian users - for everyday, common, layman type users,
like me, rather than people schooled in obscure
Bartosz Olender writes:
Therefore I want to poke my three cents into this discussion reminding
that GNU is *Not* Unix
May I recall that most of the systemd-haters knows the recursive
expansion of GNU?
and because of that we should have the freedom
to create better solutions, rather than
On 09/15/2014 03:31 AM, sa...@eng.it wrote:
Bartosz Olender writes:
Therefore I want to poke my three cents into this discussion reminding
that GNU is *Not* Unix
May I recall that most of the systemd-haters knows the recursive
expansion of GNU?
Most of us are no interested in what
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 11:07:35 -0400
Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote:
Most of us are no interested in what Stallman or whoever created back
in 1995. We don't think of Linux as GNU.
Ahhh, so you are the declared and _democratically elected_ spokesman
of, let's say 80% of the Linux community
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 11:07:35 -0400
Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote:
On 09/15/2014 03:31 AM, sa...@eng.it wrote:
Bartosz Olender writes:
Therefore I want to poke my three cents into this discussion
reminding that GNU is *Not* Unix
May I recall that most of the systemd-haters
W dniu 15.09.2014 19:39, Joe pisze:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 11:07:35 -0400
Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote:
On 09/15/2014 03:31 AM, sa...@eng.it wrote:
Bartosz Olender writes:
Therefore I want to poke my three cents into this discussion
reminding that GNU is *Not* Unix
May I recall
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 20:32:45 +0200
Bartosz Olender bartek.olen...@gmail.com wrote:
I am not defending systemd programmers but, could you clarify what do
you exactly mean by bad programming practices?
Creating weird situations about things that used to work well
for _years_ (eg: the kernel
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 20:32:45 +0200
Bartosz Olender bartek.olen...@gmail.com wrote:
W dniu 15.09.2014 19:39, Joe pisze:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 11:07:35 -0400
Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote:
On 09/15/2014 03:31 AM, sa...@eng.it wrote:
Bartosz Olender writes:
Therefore I want to
On 09/15/2014 11:33 AM, B wrote:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 11:07:35 -0400
Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote:
Most of us are no interested in what Stallman or whoever created back
in 1995. We don't think of Linux as GNU.
Ahhh, so you are the declared and _democratically elected_ spokesman
of,
Am Montag, 15. September 2014, 21:55:29 schrieb Joe:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 20:32:45 +0200
Bartosz Olender bartek.olen...@gmail.com wrote:
W dniu 15.09.2014 19:39, Joe pisze:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 11:07:35 -0400
Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote:
On 09/15/2014 03:31 AM,
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 17:16:32 -0400
Ric Moore wayward4...@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry, I see only that he represented his views, which also happens to
coincide with my own. Please, if you have to label someone, you've
lost your argument's points from the get-go. :) Ric
I don't wanna stigmatize
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 23:48:02 +0200 Martin Steigerwald sent:
I have mixed thoughts and feelings about systemd… but on the other
hand I think discussing this further here… is… a waste of time – as
it won´t change anything.
I'm uncertain if that's correct. It certainly highlights some features
Charlie writes:
Though I'm not a programmer and really know very little about Debian
[as someone once said - the lifetime learning experience] imagine the
installer could present a choice of systemd or sys** whatever? The
wiki could point out advantages and disadvantages of both?
That is
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 06:08:49PM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
Charlie writes:
Though I'm not a programmer and really know very little about Debian
[as someone once said - the lifetime learning experience] imagine the
installer could present a choice of systemd or sys** whatever? The
wiki
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 15:38:18 -1000 Joel Roth sent:
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 06:08:49PM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
Charlie writes:
Though I'm not a programmer and really know very little about
Debian [as someone once said - the lifetime learning experience]
imagine the installer could
I am probably one of the few people (at least from what I can see by
following this topic) on this mailing list, that don't mind systemd and
see that the benefits of switching to it outclass the negatives.
Therefore I want to poke my three cents into this discussion reminding
that GNU is *Not*
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