Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-26 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 23 mar 12, 01:27:38, Chris Bannister wrote: Admittedly, you probably still need libdvdcss2 etc. I'd miss xbmc. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-24 Thread Jochen Spieker
Chris Bannister: On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 04:24:18PM +0100, Jochen Spieker wrote: Chris Bannister: I didn't know about handbrake-cli and looks like it might replace videotrans and lxdvdrip From what I can tell from their package descriptions: not quite. I usually dump DVD contents using

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-24 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Jochen Spieker m...@well-adjusted.de wrote: Chris Bannister: I suppose that ultimately all you'd need is libav (ffmpeg is now/will be deprecated) Oh, didn't know that. From a recent -devel post [1]: begin Actually, ffmpeg changed names to libav recently.

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-23 Thread Alberto Fuentes
look at this, is interesting http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=401835 On 22/03/12 17:49, Jochen Spieker wrote: Pierre Frenkiel: On Thu, 22 Mar 2012, Jochen Spieker wrote: I didn't have that problem. Is it reproducible? yes. I tried apt-get several times before

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-23 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012, Alberto Fuentes wrote: look at this, is interesting http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=401835 this is more than 5 years old. It would be interesting to check wether this bug has been fixed, but the answer of march 2007 is not encouraging. --

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-23 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 05:01:57PM +0100, Alberto Fuentes wrote: On 21/03/12 07:08, Chris Bannister wrote: Remember, Aptitude's resolver system is different to apt-get's I think the problem is not the the resolver (apt-get and aptitude should get dependences about the same if not problem

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-23 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 02:10:13PM +0100, Jochen Spieker wrote: I reaklly like handbrake-cli, that's why I had to keep d-m.org in the end. I've only removed d-m.org from my laptop. The desktop running Lenny still and where I burn DVD/CD will still have to have d-m.org. I didn't know about

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-23 Thread Jochen Spieker
Chris Bannister: I didn't know about handbrake-cli and looks like it might replace videotrans and lxdvdrip From what I can tell from their package descriptions: not quite. I usually dump DVD contents using 'mplayer -dumpstream' and then encode the resulting directory structure using

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-23 Thread Curt
On 2012-03-22, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: root@tal:~# apt-cache policy libavformat-extra-53 You don't have to be root to do that, did you know? Just an observation because I use apt-cache frequently and it's convenient (and potentially less dangerous for slippery

to be root or not to be root (was ... Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not)

2012-03-23 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 04:16:32PM +, Curt wrote: On 2012-03-22, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: root@tal:~# apt-cache policy libavformat-extra-53 You don't have to be root to do that, did you know? True, I normally have a tty open for root anyway and the tty where I

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-23 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 04:24:18PM +0100, Jochen Spieker wrote: Chris Bannister: I didn't know about handbrake-cli and looks like it might replace videotrans and lxdvdrip From what I can tell from their package descriptions: not quite. I usually dump DVD contents using 'mplayer

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-22 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 04:54:39PM +0100, Jochen Spieker wrote: Sometimes aptitude's TUI is really useful. Like yesterday, when I down-pinned debian-multimedia.org and wanted to replace all packages from there with their official Debian counterparts (if possible). Mmmm, interesting. I've

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-22 Thread Jochen Spieker
Chris Bannister: On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 04:54:39PM +0100, Jochen Spieker wrote: Sometimes aptitude's TUI is really useful. Like yesterday, when I down-pinned debian-multimedia.org and wanted to replace all packages from there with their official Debian counterparts (if possible). Mmmm,

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-22 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Thu, 22 Mar 2012, Jochen Spieker wrote: /etc/apt/preferences.d/00multimedia: Package: * Pin: release o=Unofficial Multimedia Packages Pin-Priority: 1 I tried that, but then, apt-get dist-upgrade proposed to upgrade 8 packages, but not ffmpeg, although I have: == apt-cache policy ffmpeg

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-22 Thread Jochen Spieker
Pierre Frenkiel: ffmpeg: Installed: 5:0.7.11-0.1 Candidate: 5:0.7.11-0.1 Version table: *** 5:0.7.11-0.1 0 1 http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ squeeze/main i386 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status 4:0.8-2~bpo60+1 0 100

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-22 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Thu, 22 Mar 2012, Jochen Spieker wrote: idem with aptitude full-upgrade The epoch (the version number prefix, before the ':') is used to explicitly enforce this. 4:x is always older than 5:y. Christian Marillat does this on purpose. I don't know his reasons. In order to downgrade from

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-22 Thread Brad Rogers
On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 15:49:42 +0100 Jochen Spieker m...@well-adjusted.de wrote: Hello Jochen, The epoch (the version number prefix, before the ':') is used to explicitly enforce this. 4:x is always older than 5:y. Christian Marillat does this on purpose. I don't know his reasons. Some of the

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-22 Thread Jochen Spieker
Pierre Frenkiel: On Thu, 22 Mar 2012, Jochen Spieker wrote: In order to downgrade from 5:0.7.11-0.1 to 4:0.8-2~bpo60+1 you need to tun 'apt-get install ffmpeg=4:0.8-2~bpo60+1'. this is an example where aptitude is superior to apt-get: with apt-get install (or dist-install), I went into

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-22 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Thu, 22 Mar 2012, Jochen Spieker wrote: I didn't have that problem. Is it reproducible? yes. I tried apt-get several times before shifting to aptitude. Is the difference coming from the fact that you are on amd64 and I am on i386? I'll try later on my laptop which has a amd64

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-22 Thread Jochen Spieker
Pierre Frenkiel: On Thu, 22 Mar 2012, Jochen Spieker wrote: I didn't have that problem. Is it reproducible? yes. I tried apt-get several times before shifting to aptitude. Is the difference coming from the fact that you are on amd64 and I am on i386? I'll try later on my laptop

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-21 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:45:51PM +, Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 13:10:07 +0100, Jochen Spieker wrote: Camaleón: (...) Did you first update the packages database? apt-get update aptitude update apt-get and aptitude both use the same package database. Running

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-21 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:08:29 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:45:51PM +, Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 13:10:07 +0100, Jochen Spieker wrote: Camaleón: (...) Did you first update the packages database? apt-get update aptitude update

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-21 Thread Jochen Spieker
Camaleón: On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 19:08:29 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: Remember, Aptitude's resolver system is different to apt-get's That's why I prefer to refresh both separately. apt-get was happy with the current db state while aptitude wasn't. From what I know, I have trouble

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-21 Thread Alberto Fuentes
On 21/03/12 07:08, Chris Bannister wrote: Remember, Aptitude's resolver system is different to apt-get's I think the problem is not the the resolver (apt-get and aptitude should get dependences about the same if not problem found, and therefore aptitude full-upgrade should do the same as

apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-19 Thread Bonno Bloksma
Hi, On 2 of my machines I have mysql-common installed # aptitude show mysql-common Package: mysql-common State: installed Automatically installed: no Version: 5.1.49-3 Priority: optional Section: database [] However, now apt-get wants to install an update but aptitude will not. # apt-get

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-19 Thread Rares Aioanei
On 03/19/2012 11:58 AM, Bonno Bloksma wrote: Hi, On 2 of my machines I have mysql-common installed [...] As we don't know what kind of setup you're having (stable, bpo, testing, unstable...), it's hard to tell what's up. How about aptitude dist-upgrade? -- Rares Aioanei -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-19 Thread Camaleón
-get wants to install an update but aptitude will not. (...) Did you first update the packages database? apt-get update aptitude update Then, I would try to make them more verbose: apt-get -V upgrade aptitude -vvv upgrade Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-19 Thread Jochen Spieker
Camaleón: On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 09:58:12 +, Bonno Bloksma wrote: Version: 5.1.49-3 Priority: optional Section: database [] Is this a squeeze system? -Then you should make sure you have security.debian.org in your sources.list. The current version from s.d.o is 5.1.61-0+squeeze1. You

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-19 Thread Lisi
On Monday 19 March 2012 12:10:07 Jochen Spieker wrote: Camaleón: On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 09:58:12 +, Bonno Bloksma wrote: Version: 5.1.49-3 Priority: optional Section: database [] Is this a squeeze system? -Then you should make sure you have security.debian.org in your

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-19 Thread Jochen Spieker
Lisi: Surely it is worth following the earlier suggestion and doing an aptitude full-upgrade before trying more complicated things? The OP has explicitly has explicitly stated that he/she is interested in the reason for the behaviour. Work-arounds are too easy. :) J. -- Ultimately, the

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-19 Thread Camaleón
On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 13:10:07 +0100, Jochen Spieker wrote: Camaleón: (...) Did you first update the packages database? apt-get update aptitude update apt-get and aptitude both use the same package database. Running the 'udpate' for both of them is not required. I just run apt-get

RE: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-19 Thread Bonno Bloksma
. It is either a normal apt-get upgrade or an aptitude full-upgrade. But why.? I will just do an apt-get upgrade now. Bonno Bloksma

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-19 Thread Lisi
On Monday 19 March 2012 12:32:19 Jochen Spieker wrote: Lisi: Surely it is worth following the earlier suggestion and doing an aptitude full-upgrade before trying more complicated things? The OP has explicitly has explicitly stated that he/she is interested in the reason for the behaviour.

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-19 Thread Lisi
On Monday 19 March 2012 14:17:44 Bonno Bloksma wrote: It is either a normal apt-get upgrade or an aptitude full-upgrade. But why.? Because they are not the same? If they were identical there would be no point in having the two of them. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-19 Thread Camaleón
. I'd like to think the aptitude full-upgrade (or apt-get dist-upgrade) is only to be used when doing major upgrades. But ~# aptitude full-upgrade The following packages will be upgraded: mysql-common 1 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 69.6

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-19 Thread Jochen Spieker
Lisi: On Monday 19 March 2012 12:32:19 Jochen Spieker wrote: The OP has explicitly has explicitly stated that he/she is interested in the reason for the behaviour. Work-arounds are too easy. :) It's NOT a workaround. It is correct usage. Sure it is correct usage, but it hides the reason

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-19 Thread Lisi
On Monday 19 March 2012 16:39:13 Jochen Spieker wrote: Lisi: On Monday 19 March 2012 12:32:19 Jochen Spieker wrote: The OP has explicitly has explicitly stated that he/she is interested in the reason for the behaviour. Work-arounds are too easy. :) It's NOT a workaround. It is correct

Re: apt-get will upgrade aptitude will not

2012-03-19 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday 19 March 2012 14:17:44 Bonno Bloksma wrote: It is either a normal apt-get upgrade or an aptitude full-upgrade. But why.? Because they are not the same?  If they were identical there would be no point in having