Re: debian-cd baking process

2024-02-13 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 06:12:47PM +0100, Kevin Price wrote: >Dear Steve: > >Am 18.01.24 um 00:37 schrieb Steve McIntyre: >> Kevin Price wrote: >>> I'm not quite sure where to address this to, > >> Argh, that's my code in the debian-cd package. "r

Re: debian-cd baking process

2024-02-13 Thread Kevin Price
Dear Steve: Am 18.01.24 um 00:37 schrieb Steve McIntyre: > Kevin Price wrote: >> I'm not quite sure where to address this to, > Argh, that's my code in the debian-cd package. "reportbug debian-cd" > should do the right thing... Thank you for your help, I s

Re: debian-cd baking process

2024-01-17 Thread Steve McIntyre
d. Maybe there's a bug already that I didn't find. Argh, that's my code in the debian-cd package. "reportbug debian-cd" should do the right thing... -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com Can't keep my eyes from the circling sky, Tongue-tied & twisted, Just an earth-bound misfit, I...

Re: debian-cd baking process

2024-01-17 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 17 Jan 2024 18:00 +0100, from k...@osnanet.de (Kevin Price): > Could anyone please help me find where to file this bug to? Any ideas > much appreciated. Maybe there's a bug already that I didn't find. The canonical starting point is https://bugs.debian.org Notably for this situation, near the

debian-cd baking process

2024-01-17 Thread Kevin Price
Hi all! I'm not quite sure where to address this to, but I'm certain this is a bug: If you download debian installer media, for instance debian-12.4.0-amd64-DLBD-2.iso, they prominenty include the files "README.txt" and "README.html". Those presumably somehow auto-generated README files say, in th

Re: BAD signature from "Debian CD signing key [RESOLVED]

2023-08-15 Thread Juan R.D. Silva
On 2023-08-08 10:52 a.m., Matthieu Roquejoffre wrote: On 2023-08-08 at 03:37 p.m., Juan R.D. Silva wrote:> The problem is resolved. My fault. :-). Could you please explain to us what the cause of your issue was and how you solved it ? This could be useful for anyone facing a similar issue. The

Re: BAD signature from "Debian CD signing key [RESOLVED]

2023-08-08 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Tue, Aug 8, 2023 at 11:18 AM Matthieu Roquejoffre wrote: > > On 2023-08-08 at 03:37 p.m., Juan R.D. Silva wrote:> The problem is > resolved. My fault. :-). > Could you please explain to us what the cause of your issue was and how > you solved it ? > This could be useful for anyone facing a simi

Re: BAD signature from "Debian CD signing key [RESOLVED]

2023-08-08 Thread Matthieu Roquejoffre
On 2023-08-08 at 03:37 p.m., Juan R.D. Silva wrote:> The problem is resolved. My fault. :-). Could you please explain to us what the cause of your issue was and how you solved it ? This could be useful for anyone facing a similar issue. Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/979/ -- Matthieu Roquejof

Re: BAD signature from "Debian CD signing key [RESOLVED]

2023-08-06 Thread Juan R.D. Silva
On 2023-08-06 9:28 p.m., Juan R.D. Silva wrote: I downloaded debian-12.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso, SHA512SUMS, and SHA512SUMS.sign files from https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/. $ sha512sum -c SHA512SUMS gives me OK. So the image is fine. However verifying the signatures

Re: BAD signature from "Debian CD signing key [RESOLVED]

2023-08-06 Thread Juan R.D. Silva
On 2023-08-06 9:28 p.m., Juan R.D. Silva wrote: I downloaded debian-12.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso, SHA512SUMS, and SHA512SUMS.sign files from https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/. $ sha512sum -c SHA512SUMS gives me OK. So the image is fine. However verifying the signatures

BAD signature from "Debian CD signing key

2023-08-06 Thread Juan R.D. Silva
I downloaded debian-12.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso, SHA512SUMS, and SHA512SUMS.sign files from https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/. $ sha512sum -c SHA512SUMS gives me OK. So the image is fine. However verifying the signatures fails. $ gpg --verify SHA512SUMS.sign SHA512SUMS

Re: bootcd, xorrisso, debian-cd, making an iso of a current system and backing up

2021-06-12 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Semih Ozlem wrote: > Can someone familiar with bootcd, xorriso, debian-cd explain how and for > what purpose those commands are used? xorriso produces and manipulates ISO 9660 filesystems, which may be bootable from optical media and disk-like media. debian-cd is the tool by whi

bootcd, xorrisso, debian-cd, making an iso of a current system and backing up

2021-06-11 Thread Semih Ozlem
Hi everyone, Can someone familiar with bootcd, xorriso, debian-cd explain how and for what purpose those commands are used? Is it possible to make an iso of one's current working system (installed or from a live version) or a backup with these commands, and what is the correct usage o

Re: Bug#857597: debian-cd: "isolinux.bin missing or corrupt" when booting USB flash drive in old PC

2017-10-22 Thread David Christensen
On 10/20/17 12:25, Thomas Schmitt wrote: the weekly testing ISOs for i386 and amd64 are now equipped with the new MBR: https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso ... Testers wanted for booting this ISO from USB stick. Boots correc

Re: jigdo-lite for windows (from debian-cd list)

2016-02-08 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Florent Larose wrote: > (It's just i feel not to be arrived yet ... > Indeed the first time i use jigdo ...) The way may be long, depending on the destination. Before you download all 13 DVD images by jigdo, you should have a plan what to do with them. To burn them to 13 DVD media would be n

jigdo-lite for windows (from debian-cd list)

2016-02-08 Thread Florent Larose
otmail.com Objet : Re: jigdo-lite for windows (from debian-cd list) Hi, we should move this to debian-user mailing list, as it is more about installing from the MS-Windows world and not about the installation ISOs themselves. Please send your further replies to debian-user@lists.debian.org Th

Re: jigdo-lite for windows (from debian-cd list)

2016-02-08 Thread Thomas Schmitt
/debian-cd/2016/02/msg00010.html and switches to english at https://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2016/02/msg00012.html I demonstrated a jigdo-lite download on Debian in https://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2016/02/msg00014.html Florent Larose wrote on debian-cd: > You said : " Debian mirr

Re: debian CD repository

2013-03-05 Thread João Luis Meloni Assirati
Em 05-03-2013 08:31, Muhammad Yousuf Khan escreveu: thanks all and specially João Luis Meloni Assirati for providing such brief instruction and advices. would please be kind enough and share me a howto for creating a mirror server for LAN. which auto sync and updates all the new packages. I have

Re: debian CD repository

2013-03-05 Thread Muhammad Yousuf Khan
thanks all and specially João Luis Meloni Assirati for providing such brief instruction and advices. would please be kind enough and share me a howto for creating a mirror server for LAN. which auto sync and updates all the new packages. Thanks, On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 3:58 PM, João Luis Meloni

Re: debian CD repository

2013-03-05 Thread João Luis Meloni Assirati
Em 05-03-2013 07:27, Muhammad Yousuf Khan escreveu: i have downloaded all the Debian 6 DVDs from the repo. but as per my knowledge when i run "apt-get install" it directly go to internet how come i tell apt-get or dpkg to install it from DVDs and secondly it should ask for the correct DVD like Mi

Re: debian CD repository

2013-03-05 Thread Jude DaShiell
There is an apt-cd package to be used for what you want to do and you may need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list as well. On Tue, 5 Mar 2013, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: > i have downloaded all the Debian 6 DVDs from the repo. but as per my > knowledge when i run "apt-get install " it directly go to

Re: debian CD repository

2013-03-05 Thread Darac Marjal
On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 03:27:21PM +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: > i have downloaded all the Debian 6 DVDs from the repo. but as per my > knowledge when i run "apt-get install " it directly go to > internet how come i tell apt-get or dpkg to install it from DVDs and > secondly it should ask fo

debian CD repository

2013-03-05 Thread Muhammad Yousuf Khan
i have downloaded all the Debian 6 DVDs from the repo. but as per my knowledge when i run "apt-get install " it directly go to internet how come i tell apt-get or dpkg to install it from DVDs and secondly it should ask for the correct DVD like Microsoft does. for example. if samba is placed in DVD

Problem using debian-cd.

2010-10-20 Thread Magicloud Magiclouds
Hi, I am learning about relative tools, from trying to make a netinst CD. Well, I got the tools, and made the deb mirror. Edited the CONF.sh, then $ . CONF.sh $ make distclean $ make status Updating task files... - copying task files from 'tasks/sid/' - copying firwmare task file from 'tasks/fi

Re: How can I disable signature check for a Debian CD?

2010-09-14 Thread Brian Ryans
Quoting Kumar Appaiah on 2010-09-10 13:18:06, in Message-Id <20100910181805.gi13...@146653177.ece.utexas.edu> > If someone else can point our the "right" way, please do. ,[ /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00trustcdrom ]- | APT::Authentication::TrustCDROM "true"; ` -- _ Brian Ryans 8B2A 54C4 E275

Re: How can I disable signature check for a Debian CD?

2010-09-10 Thread Kumar Appaiah
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 06:26:49PM +0300, Onur Aslan wrote: > In the early times, I was manually sign my local Release. Maybe I should > continue to do this. Since I don't have any other ideas, I'd actually not be averse to that. You could sign your repository yourself, with a key which APT is awa

Re: How can I disable signature check for a Debian CD?

2010-09-10 Thread Onur Aslan
n Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 07:25:54AM -0500, Kumar Appaiah wrote: > > > Please paste the error message here. It would contain the key ID. > > > > There is no error. Debian CD images doesn't have any signature or key. > > I see. I thought apt-get update would actual

Re: How can I disable signature check for a Debian CD?

2010-09-10 Thread Kumar Appaiah
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 03:36:03PM +0300, Onur Aslan wrote: > On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 07:25:54AM -0500, Kumar Appaiah wrote: > > Please paste the error message here. It would contain the key ID. > > There is no error. Debian CD images doesn't have any signature or key. I se

Re: How can I disable signature check for a Debian CD?

2010-09-10 Thread Onur Aslan
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 07:25:54AM -0500, Kumar Appaiah wrote: > Please paste the error message here. It would contain the key ID. There is no error. Debian CD images doesn't have any signature or key. Or maybe I am doing something wrong. Also I want to add, I don't have any CD-RO

Re: How can I disable signature check for a Debian CD?

2010-09-10 Thread Onur Aslan
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 06:58:01AM -0500, Kumar Appaiah wrote: > Is there a particular reason why you don't want to use apt-cdrom to > use the CD repositories? It is much easier than mounting the CD to use > it. I also tried apt-cdrom but I have same problem with apt-cdrom. I added my image with:

Re: How can I disable signature check for a Debian CD?

2010-09-10 Thread Kumar Appaiah
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 03:14:11PM +0300, Onur Aslan wrote: > > In any case, to fix the error you get, you have to identify the GPG > > key corresponding to the CD, and obtain it (preferably in a trusted > > manner), and do > > > > sudo apt-ket add - < key > > Where can I get this keys? CD images

Re: How can I disable signature check for a Debian CD?

2010-09-10 Thread Kumar Appaiah
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 02:22:19PM +0300, Onur Aslan wrote: > I am using Debian CD images as a local repository. I am mounting a CD and > using it with this source list: > > deb file:///mnt lenny main > > Everything working fine but the problem is when I try to install a p

How can I disable signature check for a Debian CD?

2010-09-10 Thread Onur Aslan
Hi. I am using Debian CD images as a local repository. I am mounting a CD and using it with this source list: deb file:///mnt lenny main Everything working fine but the problem is when I try to install a package from this repository, apt is always warn me about untrusted repository. Is it

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-30 Thread Sjoerd Hardeman
Robert Holtzman schreef: On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:15:22AM +0200, Sjoerd Hardeman wrote: Robert Holtzman schreef: On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 06:03:37PM -0500, Jordon Bedwell wrote: On 7/28/10 4:40 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: What was the reason for that? The usual plan is to put /home, at least,

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-30 Thread Sthu Deus
Thank You for Your time and answer, Sjoerd: > The only exception of course is a > separate /boot to avoid boot problems. May You'll be laughing but this did now work for me. - I had the boot problems. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubsc

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-30 Thread Sthu Deus
Thank You for Your time and answer, Robert: > What was the reason for that? The usual plan is to put /home, at > least, on a separate partition. I've heard about diver strategies on FS dividing but like some kind of optimization that is in FS view is this: the free space is dynamically shared for

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-29 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:15:22AM +0200, Sjoerd Hardeman wrote: > Robert Holtzman schreef: > >On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 06:03:37PM -0500, Jordon Bedwell wrote: > >>On 7/28/10 4:40 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: > >>>What was the reason for that? The usual plan is to put /home, at least, > >>>on a separa

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-29 Thread Perry E. Metzger
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 21:34:06 +0200 Aniruddha wrote: > On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Perry E. Metzger > wrote: > > On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:46:29 +0200 Aniruddha > > wrote: > >> I have done some testing with Debian stable in Virtualbox and I > >> have to say XFS works as advertised. I did power

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-29 Thread Sjoerd Hardeman
Robert Holtzman schreef: On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 06:03:37PM -0500, Jordon Bedwell wrote: On 7/28/10 4:40 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: What was the reason for that? The usual plan is to put /home, at least, on a separate partition. The *usual* plan is to put it on a separate drive (but since deb

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-28 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 06:03:37PM -0500, Jordon Bedwell wrote: > On 7/28/10 4:40 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: > > > >What was the reason for that? The usual plan is to put /home, at least, > >on a separate partition. > > > > The *usual* plan is to put it on a separate drive (but since debian > can'

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-28 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Tuesday 27 July 2010 15:09:08 Stan Hoeppner wrote: > Volkan YAZICI put forth on 7/27/2010 2:04 PM: > > unplugged machine. At boot, I dropped to fsck command line. At command > > Were you forced to the command line or did you manually select to go to the > command line? It sounds like you chose

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-28 Thread Jordon Bedwell
On 7/28/10 4:40 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 09:43:59PM +0700, Sthu Deus wrote: Thank You for Your time and answer, Wolodja: Using ext4 for /boot is discouraged but you can give it a try. Why do you need /boot to be ext4? Because I have single partition. :) What was t

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-28 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 09:43:59PM +0700, Sthu Deus wrote: > Thank You for Your time and answer, Wolodja: > > > Using ext4 for /boot is discouraged but you can give it a try. Why do > > you need /boot to be ext4? > > Because I have single partition. :) What was the reason for that? The usual pla

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-28 Thread Sjoerd Hardeman
Op 28-07-10 21:34, Aniruddha schreef: > Agreed, it was hardly a double-blind randomized trial :) On a more > serious note: off course these tests don't prove anything. On the > other hand I have heard so many time that XFS can't handle a single > power failure without data corruption that I wanted

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-28 Thread Aniruddha
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Perry E. Metzger wrote: > On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:46:29 +0200 Aniruddha > wrote: >> I have done some testing with Debian stable in Virtualbox and I have >> to say XFS works as advertised. I did power off the virtual machine >> several times when working in Gnome /

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-28 Thread Perry E. Metzger
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:46:29 +0200 Aniruddha wrote: > I have done some testing with Debian stable in Virtualbox and I have > to say XFS works as advertised. I did power off the virtual machine > several times when working in Gnome / copying files. And I did power > off the virtual 5 times in a row

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-28 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Paul E Condon put forth on 7/27/2010 8:53 PM: > Your original post in this thread addressed a quite disfunctional > attitude of OP, and IMHO, was correct but somewhat harshly worded. > In truth, he simply cannot have everything he wants all at the > same time. You should have left it at that, IMH

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-28 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Sthu Deus wrote: > Thank You for Your time and answer, Wolodja: > >> Using ext4 for /boot is discouraged but you can give it a try. Why do >> you need /boot to be ext4? > > Because I have single partition. :) > > Well. For now I have tried w/ two - /boot as ext3 a

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-28 Thread Sthu Deus
Thank You for Your time and answer, Wolodja: > Using ext4 for /boot is discouraged but you can give it a try. Why do > you need /boot to be ext4? Because I have single partition. :) Well. For now I have tried w/ two - /boot as ext3 and / as ext4 - nothing happened - I got the into the same situa

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-28 Thread Sthu Deus
Stan: > My apologies for being rude, but someone needed to slap you upside > the head and bring you to reality. For the future please note, any your farther talks will be silently ignored by me. PS Sorry for this being sent to whole the list. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@li

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-28 Thread Aniruddha
I have done some testing with Debian stable in Virtualbox and I have to say XFS works as advertised. I did power off the virtual machine several times when working in Gnome / copying files. And I did power off the virtual 5 times in a row when booting. Nothing happened. Each time the virtual machin

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-28 Thread Klistvud
Dne, 28. 07. 2010 03:53:43 je Paul E Condon napisal(a): Stan, Have you ever heard of the term 'invincible ignorance'? Also, you have asserted with some vigor upstream Your original post ... IMHO, was correct but somewhat harshly worded. Peace. IMHO, Stan's deep, invaluable expertise is

Kudos to any DD contributing to debian-user [was: Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Ma, 27 iul 10, 23:43:07, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > I read debian-user locally via a mail-to-news gateway, which makes it > much more hassle for me to sign messages. Joke aside, I'd rather you continue reading debian-user, so whatever works for you is good ;) Kudos to you and the other DDs[1]

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20100727_134650, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > Volkan YAZICI put forth on 7/27/2010 12:29 PM: > > > I don't even think Linus is using XFS too. Isn't he a technical person > > Linus uses them all. You should know that. > > > in terms of your definition? So what should we do in that case? Ask to > >

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Rob Owens put forth on 7/27/2010 4:36 PM: > On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 01:39:18PM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: >> Volkan YAZICI put forth on 7/27/2010 12:19 PM: >> >>> About a year ago, in a similar rush to yours, I ported two of our >>> PostgreSQL database servers to XFS. During testing period, I even

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-27 Thread Steve McIntyre
Aaron Toponce wrote: >On 7/26/2010 11:46 AM, Andrei Popescu wrote: >> On Lu, 26 iul 10, 12:42:05, Steve McIntyre wrote: >>> >>> As an ex-DPL and the guy who puts together the official release Debian >>> CDs, I can vouch for his work. It's been very useful for me in the past. >> >> You forgot to GP

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-27 Thread Aaron Toponce
On 7/26/2010 11:46 AM, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Lu, 26 iul 10, 12:42:05, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> >> As an ex-DPL and the guy who puts together the official release Debian >> CDs, I can vouch for his work. It's been very useful for me in the past. > > You forgot to GPG sign the mail :p Maybe th

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Rob Owens
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 01:39:18PM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > Volkan YAZICI put forth on 7/27/2010 12:19 PM: > > > About a year ago, in a similar rush to yours, I ported two of our > > PostgreSQL database servers to XFS. During testing period, I even > > couldn't *recover* the / fs after the ve

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Aniruddha
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:06 PM, Aniruddha wrote: > On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Stan Hoeppner > wrote: >> Aniruddha put forth on 7/27/2010 2:47 PM: >>> Time for some testing, I will put Debian stable with  XFS on my laptop and >>> see how well it deals with power failures :) >> >> Thanks

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Aniruddha
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > Aniruddha put forth on 7/27/2010 2:47 PM: >> Time for some testing, I will put Debian stable with  XFS on my laptop and >> see how well it deals with power failures :) > > Thanks for picking up the torch/gauntlet/whatever.  How do you laptop

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Aniruddha put forth on 7/27/2010 2:47 PM: > Time for some testing, I will put Debian stable with XFS on my laptop and > see how well it deals with power failures :) Thanks for picking up the torch/gauntlet/whatever. How do you laptop test this issue? It's a laptop. Yank the battery? Yanking t

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Volkan YAZICI put forth on 7/27/2010 2:04 PM: > unplugged machine. At boot, I dropped to fsck command line. At command Were you forced to the command line or did you manually select to go to the command line? It sounds like you chose to, not forced to. > prompt, I manually fiddled around with f

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Aniruddha
Time for some testing, I will put Debian stable with XFS on my laptop and see how well it deals with power failures :)

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Volkan YAZICI put forth on 7/27/2010 12:59 PM: > On Tue, 27 Jul 2010, Stan Hoeppner writes: >> I'd also like to add that anyone smart enough to be on this list is smart >> enough to know you should have a UPS, regardless of what filesystem you use. >> If you're not you shouldn't be here. If you d

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Volkan YAZICI
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010, Stan Hoeppner writes: > What write operations were you performing at the time you pulled the plug? > Unless you were writing the superblock it'd be almost impossible to hose the > filesystem to the point it couldn't mount. Were you doing a resize operation > when you pulled t

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Volkan YAZICI put forth on 7/27/2010 12:29 PM: > I don't even think Linus is using XFS too. Isn't he a technical person Linus uses them all. You should know that. > in terms of your definition? So what should we do in that case? Ask to > RMS? kernel.org servers all run XFS as well. -- Stan

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Volkan YAZICI put forth on 7/27/2010 12:19 PM: > About a year ago, in a similar rush to yours, I ported two of our > PostgreSQL database servers to XFS. During testing period, I even > couldn't *recover* the / fs after the very first power failure test. What write operations were you performing a

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread John Hasler
Stan Hoeppner writes: > I'd also like to add that anyone smart enough to be on this list is > smart enough to know you should have a UPS, regardless of what > filesystem you use. If you're not you shouldn't be here. I guess I don't belong here then... -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email t

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Aniruddha put forth on 7/27/2010 12:03 PM: > On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > >> Volkan YAZICI put forth on 7/27/2010 8:22 AM: >> >>> You are missing a very important point: Durability to power failures. >>> (Excuse me, but a majority of GNU/Linux users are not switched to a

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Klistvud
Dne, 27. 07. 2010 19:48:53 je Mark napisal(a): > > NASA also trusts Windows and NTFS too? > NASA also backs up their data on 5.25" floppy disks [1]. [1] *completely made up information NASA as an authority on reliable storage? C'mon, the bozos can't even be trusted with their own Challen

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Volkan YAZICI
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010, Stan Hoeppner writes: > I'd also like to add that anyone smart enough to be on this list is smart > enough to know you should have a UPS, regardless of what filesystem you use. > If you're not you shouldn't be here. If you disagree on the technical merits > (not cost), you're

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread B. Alexander
We use XFS in production at work. Where I work, we are routinely dealing with hundreds of terabytes of data (I have heard the word "petabyte" bandied about in several meetings), so we are beyond or hovering on the edge of the size limits and performance limits of the ext filesystems. At home, I pr

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Mark
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Volkan YAZICI wrote: > On Tue, 27 Jul 2010, Stan Hoeppner writes: > > NASA trusts it with over 1PB of storage, but _you_ don't trust it? Who > are > > you again? How many hundreds of TB of storage do you manage on EXT3/4? > ;) > > NASA also trusts Windows and

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Paul Cartwright
On Tue July 27 2010, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > I'd also like to add that anyone smart enough to be on this list is smart > enough to know you should have a UPS, regardless of what filesystem you > use. If you're not you shouldn't be here.  If you disagree on the technical > merits (not cost), you're u

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Volkan YAZICI
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010, Stan Hoeppner writes: > NASA trusts it with over 1PB of storage, but _you_ don't trust it? Who are > you again? How many hundreds of TB of storage do you manage on EXT3/4? ;) NASA also trusts Windows and NTFS too? Who are you again? I think you are confusing apples and ora

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Aniruddha put forth on 7/27/2010 9:43 AM: > On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Volkan YAZICI wrote: > >> >> You are missing a very important point: Durability to power failures. >> (Excuse me, but a majority of GNU/Linux users are not switched to a UPS >> or something.) And that's where XFS totally

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Aaron Toponce
On 7/27/2010 11:20 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > Aaron Toponce put forth on 7/27/2010 10:41 AM: > >> XFS has also had a history for randomly corrupting data. While this >> might have improved over time, I don't trust it. > > Can you cite or reference anything to back your claim? Time frame? Irix o

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Volkan YAZICI
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010, Stan Hoeppner writes: > Volkan YAZICI put forth on 7/27/2010 8:22 AM: > 1. Never quote forum or email posts as empirical or reliable evidence of > anything. You're right, my bad. > You quoted this FAQ item solely based on the tile, without reading it, > in your effort to de

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Aaron Toponce put forth on 7/27/2010 10:41 AM: > XFS has also had a history for randomly corrupting data. While this > might have improved over time, I don't trust it. Can you cite or reference anything to back your claim? Time frame? Irix or Linux? Serious users reported this or casual/hobbyi

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Aniruddha
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > Volkan YAZICI put forth on 7/27/2010 8:22 AM: > > > You are missing a very important point: Durability to power failures. > > (Excuse me, but a majority of GNU/Linux users are not switched to a UPS > > or something.) And that's where XFS tota

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Lisi
On Tuesday 27 July 2010 09:51:53 Stan Hoeppner wrote: > Lisi put forth on 7/27/2010 2:23 AM: > > On Tuesday 27 July 2010 08:10:15 Stan Hoeppner wrote: > >> XFS which is superior to all other Linux filesystems. > > > > Stan - > > > > Have you the time to give a rationale for this? > > Sure. Thanks,

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Volkan YAZICI put forth on 7/27/2010 8:22 AM: > You are missing a very important point: Durability to power failures. > (Excuse me, but a majority of GNU/Linux users are not switched to a UPS > or something.) And that's where XFS totally fails[1][2]. > [1] http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-List

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Aaron Toponce
On 7/27/2010 1:23 AM, Lisi wrote: > On Tuesday 27 July 2010 08:10:15 Stan Hoeppner wrote: >> XFS which is superior to all other Linux filesystems. > > Stan - > > Have you the time to give a rationale for this? Except XFS filesystems can't shrink, only grow. Sucks when you need to resize parti

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Aniruddha
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Volkan YAZICI wrote: > > You are missing a very important point: Durability to power failures. > (Excuse me, but a majority of GNU/Linux users are not switched to a UPS > or something.) And that's where XFS totally fails[1][2]. > Ext3 has the same problems when n

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Volkan YAZICI
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010, Stan Hoeppner writes: > 1. Best overall performance for most systems, large and small, and the FS > creation and mounting parameters are super configurable to match the system > hardware for best performance. One recent set of recent benchmarks > demonstrating so: > http://bt

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Kelly Clowers
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 01:51, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > > Debian will _always_ default to an EXT* filesystem--until the end of time. Nope, btrfs will replace ext3/4 as default soon enough. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Lisi put forth on 7/27/2010 2:23 AM: > On Tuesday 27 July 2010 08:10:15 Stan Hoeppner wrote: >> XFS which is superior to all other Linux filesystems. > > Stan - > > Have you the time to give a rationale for this? Sure. 1. Best overall performance for most systems, large and small, and the FS c

Linux filesystems was [Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.]

2010-07-27 Thread Lisi
On Tuesday 27 July 2010 08:10:15 Stan Hoeppner wrote: > XFS which is superior to all other Linux filesystems. Stan - Have you the time to give a rationale for this? I'm not in any way impugning your knowledge. But I am at the stage of accepting the default that Lenny gives me, for no better

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-27 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Sthu Deus put forth on 7/26/2010 6:00 AM: > Thank You for Your time and answer, Wolodja: > >> Why don't you just use the images provided by kmuto? They are exactly >> what you are looking for. I don't get your resistence ... > > No any resistance absolutely! I think too that it is the thing I'm >

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-26 Thread Sthu Deus
Thank You for Your time and answer, Wolodja: > Go to http://db.debian.org/search.cgi and search for > > First name: Kenshi > Last name: Muto > > Which will provide further information about Kenshi like his IRC name > (i.e. kmuto) and his GPG fingerprint. You could also check for his key > in t

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-26 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 06:00:34PM +0700, Sthu Deus wrote: > Thank You for Your time and answer, Wolodja: > > > Why don't you just use the images provided by kmuto? They are exactly > > what you are looking for. I don't get your resistence ... > > No any resistance absolutely! I think too that it

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-26 Thread Lisi
On Monday 26 July 2010 14:25:47 Sthu Deus wrote: > > Or you could still always do as has been suggested several times: use > > Kenshi Muto's installer. > > As soon as I understand that it is trustworthy. You aren't going to do so because you don't accept it. If you want the sort of stability and

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-26 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Lu, 26 iul 10, 12:42:05, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > As an ex-DPL and the guy who puts together the official release Debian > CDs, I can vouch for his work. It's been very useful for me in the past. You forgot to GPG sign the mail :p Regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users a

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-26 Thread Kumar Appaiah
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 08:17:06PM +0700, Sthu Deus wrote: > Thank You for Your time and answer, Ron: > > > What part of "This directory provides Debian GNU/Linux Stable > > installer ISO images with a modification by Kenshi Muto to support > > newer hardwares, such as SATA and Ethernet devices.

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-26 Thread Sthu Deus
Thank You for Your time and answer, Lisi: > If you don't like any of the suggestions, you have four choices: > > 1) Do nothing, use a filing system which is used in the basic Lenny > installation and wait for Squeeze to become Stable. That's my choice for now. > 2) Use Squeeze; it is apparentl

Re: Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-26 Thread Sthu Deus
Thank You for Your time and answer, Ron: > What part of "This directory provides Debian GNU/Linux Stable > installer ISO images with a modification by Kenshi Muto to support > newer hardwares, such as SATA and Ethernet devices." don't you > understand? Sorry, what are You talking about? --

Re: [OT] Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-26 Thread Lisi
On Monday 26 July 2010 16:19:29 Lisi wrote: > From: > Lisi > To: > debian-user@lists.debian.org > Date: > Today 16:17:54 [snip] Sorry everyone. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.

Re: [OT] Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-26 Thread Lisi
From: Lisi To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Today 16:17:54 On Monday 26 July 2010 15:43:55 Tom H wrote: > On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Klistvud wrote: > > Dne, 26. 07. 2010 14:08:50 je Wolodja Wentland napisal(a): > >> > 1. If it is trustable/secure as the stable Debian (for

Re: [OT] Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-26 Thread Lisi
On Monday 26 July 2010 15:43:55 Tom H wrote: > On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Klistvud wrote: > > Dne, 26. 07. 2010 14:08:50 je Wolodja Wentland napisal(a): > >> > 1. If it is trustable/secure as the stable Debian (for for now all I > >> > have is just phrases like "believe me" w/ no any farthe

Re: [OT] Debian cd supporting ext4.

2010-07-26 Thread Wolodja Wentland
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 16:46 +0200, Klistvud wrote: > >Google for "Kenshi Muto Debian" and "Kenshi Muto > >site:lists.debian.org" > >and you should get enough information to answer that question. I > >am not > >aware of any "official" Debian initiated poll that answers the > >question > >"What do

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