Re: A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America)

2007-05-10 Thread Joey Schulze
Sven Luther wrote: The DAMs, who did not follow their own procedure, who did refuse to provide the dates of the expulsion requests, because they knew well enough that it would show the irregularities of the procedure, who ignored the 70:7 expressed opinion of the DDs against the expulsion. The

Re: A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America)

2007-05-10 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Sven Luther] So, you too, believe that what was done to me was acceptable, that everything is justifiable Stop it, Sven, stop it. This thread is about Sam Hocevar and GNAA. It is not about Sven Luther. We have had lots of other threads about Sven Luther. Can you please let us have just

Re: A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America)

2007-05-10 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 06:32:41PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 11:45:03PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 08:21:15AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: Well, i got suspended for a year, because i dared present myself as DPL, No, that's simply not true.

Re: A question to the Debian community ...

2007-05-10 Thread Julien BLACHE
Peter Samuelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luther. Can you please let us have just _one_ thread that is about something else? If that's not too much to ask. No, he can't, he just brought that up *AGAIN* on debian-powerpc. JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian GNU/Linux Developer - [EMAIL

Re: A question to the Debian community ...

2007-05-10 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Thursday 10 May 2007 10:15, Hamish Moffatt wrote: The expulsion procedure doesn't call for a vote, so your 70:7 statistic is irrelevant. It's also wrong. The evidence: people hardly reply to the claims anymore, and even less (almost no one by now) reply in support. FWIW, I agree with

Re: A question to the Debian community ...

2007-05-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 11:06:04AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi, On Thursday 10 May 2007 10:15, Hamish Moffatt wrote: The expulsion procedure doesn't call for a vote, so your 70:7 statistic is irrelevant. It's also wrong. The evidence: people hardly reply to the claims anymore, and

Re: A question to the Debian community ...

2007-05-10 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Thu, May 10, 2007 at 11:06:04AM +0200, Holger Levsen a écrit : today I (once again) read a reply by a user who believed Svens lies and wondered whats wrong with Debian. Hi Holger, Are you talking about the fact that users sometimes read offers of hardware on port mailing lists, and are

Re: A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America)

2007-05-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 06:15:37PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 06:32:41PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 11:45:03PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 08:21:15AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: Well, i got suspended for a year,

Re: A question to the Debian community ...

2007-05-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 11:06:04AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi, On Thursday 10 May 2007 10:15, Hamish Moffatt wrote: The expulsion procedure doesn't call for a vote, so your 70:7 statistic is irrelevant. It's also wrong. The evidence: people hardly reply to the claims anymore, and

Re: A question to the Debian community ...

2007-05-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 12:02:06PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 11:06:04AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi, On Thursday 10 May 2007 10:15, Hamish Moffatt wrote: The expulsion procedure doesn't call for a vote, so your 70:7 statistic is irrelevant. It's also

Re: A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America)

2007-05-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 03:01:40AM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: [Sven Luther] So, you too, believe that what was done to me was acceptable, that everything is justifiable Stop it, Sven, stop it. This thread is about Sam Hocevar and GNAA. It is not about Sven Luther. We have had lots

Re: A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America)

2007-05-10 Thread MJ Ray
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The DAMs, who did not follow their own procedure [...] I contacted Sven Luther directly with an offer to start a GR to rescind the decision and optionally do some other stuff. I've seen no reply. The offer stands and now the problem resurfaces, I will do

Re: A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America)

2007-05-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 03:47:55PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The DAMs, who did not follow their own procedure [...] I contacted Sven Luther directly with an offer to start a GR to rescind the decision and optionally do some other stuff. I've seen no reply.

Re: A question to the Debian community ...

2007-05-10 Thread Russ Allbery
MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I contacted Sven Luther directly with an offer to start a GR to rescind the decision and optionally do some other stuff. I've seen no reply. The offer stands and now the problem resurfaces, I will do something to resolve this one way or the other instead of

Re: A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America)

2007-05-10 Thread Bart Martens
On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 03:01 -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: [Sven Luther] So, you too, believe that what was done to me was acceptable, that everything is justifiable Stop it, Sven, stop it. This thread is about Sam Hocevar and GNAA. It is not about Sven Luther. We have had lots of other

Re: A question to the Debian community ...

2007-05-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 09:33:13AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I contacted Sven Luther directly with an offer to start a GR to rescind the decision and optionally do some other stuff. I've seen no reply. The offer stands and now the problem resurfaces, I

Re: A question to the Debian community ...

2007-05-10 Thread Russ Allbery
Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What do you believe is causing the noise in question ? Every time any topic comes up which comes anywhere near anything related to your experiences, you bring up your experiences in that thread. After that, various people (usually different each time)

Re: A question to the Debian community...

2007-05-10 Thread Frans Pop
On Thursday 10 May 2007, Sven Luther wrote: The procedure calls for the number of supporters being reached in 15 days between the original call or the procedure to be dismissed. The original expulsion procedure started by Anthony Towns, was done on January 2 or so, and should have been

Re: A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America)

2007-05-10 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 03:47:55PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The DAMs, who did not follow their own procedure [...] I contacted Sven Luther directly with an offer to start a GR to rescind the decision and optionally do some other stuff. I've seen no reply.

Re: A question to the Debian community ...

2007-05-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 12:08:08PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What do you believe is causing the noise in question ? Every time any topic comes up which comes anywhere near anything related to your experiences, you bring up your experiences in that

Re: A question to the Debian community ...

2007-05-10 Thread Russ Allbery
I think it's worth one more response to say that I simply do not agree that this problem is somehow horribly embarassing, unexpected, or a sign of a fundamental deficiency in the Debian project. There are other things that *are* signs of fundamental deficiencies in the project, but I don't think

Deficiencies in Debian (was: A question to the Debian community ...)

2007-05-10 Thread gregor herrmann
[cc and reply-to/m-f-t [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, 10 May 2007 12:32:26 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: There are other things that *are* signs of fundamental deficiencies in the project, Would you mind to elaborate on this point, I'm really interested in your opinion. Cheers, gregor -- .''`.

Re: A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America)

2007-05-10 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 15:47 +0100, MJ Ray wrote: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The DAMs, who did not follow their own procedure [...] I contacted Sven Luther directly with an offer to start a GR to rescind the decision and optionally do some other stuff. I've seen no reply. The

Re: A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America)

2007-05-10 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Sven Luther] So, you are wrong, this is not about me, it is about debian, about its fundamental unability to handle social conflicts, about some DDs who sadly have achieved a situation of power, knowing no other way to handle critics without hurting the other side as much as they can. If

Re: A question to the Debian community ...

2007-05-10 Thread Brian May
Sven == Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sven This committee would then investigate the issue, try to Sven talk with all parties involved, and get them to forget their Sven old grudges, and come to an agreement on how this could go Sven forward without punishing one side

Re: A question to the Debian community ...

2007-05-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 09:49:53AM +1000, Brian May wrote: Sven == Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sven This committee would then investigate the issue, try to Sven talk with all parties involved, and get them to forget their Sven old grudges, and come to an agreement on

Re: A question to the Debian community ...

2007-05-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 12:32:26PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: I think it's worth one more response to say that I simply do not agree that this problem is somehow horribly embarassing, unexpected, or a sign of a fundamental deficiency in the Debian project. There are other things that *are*

Re: A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America)

2007-05-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 12:05:04PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 03:47:55PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The DAMs, who did not follow their own procedure [...] I contacted Sven Luther directly with an offer to start a GR to rescind

Re: A question to the Debian community ... (Was: Question for Sam Hocevar Gay Nigger Association of America)

2007-05-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 01:06:09PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 15:47 +0100, MJ Ray wrote: Sven Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The DAMs, who did not follow their own procedure [...] I contacted Sven Luther directly with an offer to start a GR to rescind the