Re: Call for seconds - DC concept (was: Possible amendment for Debian Contributors concept)

2008-10-29 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 11:45:31PM +0100, Frans Pop a écrit : > I hereby second the proposal quoted below and have no objection to > Charles Plessy's earlier proposal being dropped (or retracted) Thanks Frans for the explanation, and thanks again to Peter who showed us a way to an exit of the cris

Re: Call for seconds - DC concept

2008-10-29 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
Peter Palfrader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I hereby propose this alternate option/amendment and am asking for seconds. > > | The Debian Project recognizes that many contributors to the project are > not > | working withing established frameworks of Debian and thus are not > provided by > |

Re: Call for seconds - DC concept (was: Possible amendment for Debian Contributors concept)

2008-10-29 Thread Frans Pop
Although I take exception to some of the name calling that has been done against Charles and Lucas, I am fine with switching to this alternative proposal as its ultimate intend is identical: to safeguard that no changes are made to something as fundamental to the project as its membership procedure

Re: Call for seconds - DC concept

2008-10-29 Thread Colin Tuckley
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Peter Palfrader wrote: > I hereby propose this alternate option/amendment and am asking for seconds. > > | The Debian Project recognizes that many contributors to the project are > not > | working withing established frameworks of Debian and thu

Re: Call for seconds: post-Lenny enforceability of DFSG violations

2008-10-29 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Hi Robert, Robert Millan wrote: > I don't think NEW is the problem here. The question, from my POV, is that > as developer I don't feel I am empowered to move a package to non-free > without permission from the maintainers, even if it is obviously infringing > on the Social Contract. For all but

Re: Call for seconds - DC concept (was: Possible amendment for Debian Contributors concept)

2008-10-29 Thread Luca Filipozzi
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 09:01:51PM +0100, Peter Palfrader wrote: > On Tue, 28 Oct 2008, Peter Palfrader wrote: > > > I really dislike the negative tone of the original proposed resolution, > > so I am thinking of proposing this as an alternative option. > > I hereby propose this alternate option/

Re: Call for seconds - DC concept (was: Possible amendment for Debian Contributors concept)

2008-10-29 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 08:01:51PM +, Peter Palfrader wrote: > On Tue, 28 Oct 2008, Peter Palfrader wrote: > > > I really dislike the negative tone of the original proposed resolution, > > so I am thinking of proposing this as an alternative option. > > I hereby propose this alternate option/

Re: Call for seconds: post-Lenny enforceability of DFSG violations

2008-10-29 Thread Robert Millan
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 12:35:36PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: > > [me] > > > Is this intended to bypass the NEW process currently done by ftpmasters > > > any time something is added to non-free? > > [Robert Millan] > > ACK about your concerns (and the ones pointed by others, which are rough

Re: Call for seconds: post-Lenny enforceability of DFSG violations

2008-10-29 Thread Robert Millan
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 05:09:58PM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: > Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > ACK about your concerns (and the ones pointed by others, which are roughly > > the same). Do you have any suggestion on what would be a better approach? > > How about dropping the GR and

Re: Call for seconds: DFSG violations in Lenny

2008-10-29 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:54:35PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > Hi, > > On Monday 27 October 2008 20:36, Robert Millan wrote: > > - We give priority to the timely release of Lenny over sorting every bit > > out - for this reason, we will > > - treat removal of sourceless firmware as a b

Re: Call for seconds - DC concept (was: Possible amendment for Debian Contributors concept)

2008-10-29 Thread Robert Millan
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 09:01:51PM +0100, Peter Palfrader wrote: > > I hereby propose this alternate option/amendment and am asking for seconds. > > | The Debian Project recognizes that many contributors to the project are > not > | working withing established frameworks of Debian and thus a

Call for seconds - DC concept (was: Possible amendment for Debian Contributors concept)

2008-10-29 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Tue, 28 Oct 2008, Peter Palfrader wrote: > I really dislike the negative tone of the original proposed resolution, > so I am thinking of proposing this as an alternative option. I hereby propose this alternate option/amendment and am asking for seconds. | The Debian Project recognizes that

Re: Call for seconds: post-Lenny enforceability of DFSG violations

2008-10-29 Thread Peter Samuelson
[me] > > Is this intended to bypass the NEW process currently done by ftpmasters > > any time something is added to non-free? [Robert Millan] > ACK about your concerns (and the ones pointed by others, which are roughly > the same). Do you have any suggestion on what would be a better approach?

Re: Call for seconds: post-Lenny enforceability of DFSG violations

2008-10-29 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > ACK about your concerns (and the ones pointed by others, which are roughly > the same). Do you have any suggestion on what would be a better approach? How about dropping the GR and continuing with the current process, where anybody can file a RC bug aga

Re: Call for seconds: post-Lenny enforceability of DFSG violations

2008-10-29 Thread Robert Millan
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 11:27:24AM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: > > Is this intended to bypass the NEW process currently done by ftpmasters > any time something is added to non-free? I suspect the ftpmasters will > not be enthusiastic about complying with a GR that requires a mechanism > to bypa

Re: Call for seconds: post-Lenny enforceability of DFSG violations

2008-10-29 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > to bypass the NEW queue. Not to say we can't pass the GR, but I would > much rather see something that does not step on those toes. Well, as per constitution 2.1.1 a GR cannot force any project member or delegate to do something, so if the GR means wh