Re: Call for seconds: post-Lenny enforceability of DFSG violations

2008-10-29 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Peter Samuelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: to bypass the NEW queue. Not to say we can't pass the GR, but I would much rather see something that does not step on those toes. Well, as per constitution 2.1.1 a GR cannot force any project member or delegate to do something, so if the GR means what

Re: Call for seconds: post-Lenny enforceability of DFSG violations

2008-10-29 Thread Robert Millan
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 11:27:24AM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: Is this intended to bypass the NEW process currently done by ftpmasters any time something is added to non-free? I suspect the ftpmasters will not be enthusiastic about complying with a GR that requires a mechanism to bypass

Re: Call for seconds: post-Lenny enforceability of DFSG violations

2008-10-29 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Robert Millan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ACK about your concerns (and the ones pointed by others, which are roughly the same). Do you have any suggestion on what would be a better approach? How about dropping the GR and continuing with the current process, where anybody can file a RC bug

Re: Call for seconds: post-Lenny enforceability of DFSG violations

2008-10-29 Thread Peter Samuelson
[me] Is this intended to bypass the NEW process currently done by ftpmasters any time something is added to non-free? [Robert Millan] ACK about your concerns (and the ones pointed by others, which are roughly the same). Do you have any suggestion on what would be a better approach?

Call for seconds - DC concept (was: Possible amendment for Debian Contributors concept)

2008-10-29 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Tue, 28 Oct 2008, Peter Palfrader wrote: I really dislike the negative tone of the original proposed resolution, so I am thinking of proposing this as an alternative option. I hereby propose this alternate option/amendment and am asking for seconds. | The Debian Project recognizes that

Re: Call for seconds - DC concept (was: Possible amendment for Debian Contributors concept)

2008-10-29 Thread Robert Millan
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 09:01:51PM +0100, Peter Palfrader wrote: I hereby propose this alternate option/amendment and am asking for seconds. | The Debian Project recognizes that many contributors to the project are not | working withing established frameworks of Debian and thus are

Re: Call for seconds: DFSG violations in Lenny

2008-10-29 Thread Robert Millan
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:54:35PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi, On Monday 27 October 2008 20:36, Robert Millan wrote: - We give priority to the timely release of Lenny over sorting every bit out - for this reason, we will - treat removal of sourceless firmware as a

Re: Call for seconds: post-Lenny enforceability of DFSG violations

2008-10-29 Thread Robert Millan
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 05:09:58PM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: Robert Millan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ACK about your concerns (and the ones pointed by others, which are roughly the same). Do you have any suggestion on what would be a better approach? How about dropping the GR and

Re: Call for seconds: post-Lenny enforceability of DFSG violations

2008-10-29 Thread Robert Millan
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 12:35:36PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote: [me] Is this intended to bypass the NEW process currently done by ftpmasters any time something is added to non-free? [Robert Millan] ACK about your concerns (and the ones pointed by others, which are roughly the

Re: Call for seconds - DC concept (was: Possible amendment for Debian Contributors concept)

2008-10-29 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 08:01:51PM +, Peter Palfrader wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2008, Peter Palfrader wrote: I really dislike the negative tone of the original proposed resolution, so I am thinking of proposing this as an alternative option. I hereby propose this alternate

Re: Call for seconds - DC concept (was: Possible amendment for Debian Contributors concept)

2008-10-29 Thread Luca Filipozzi
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 09:01:51PM +0100, Peter Palfrader wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2008, Peter Palfrader wrote: I really dislike the negative tone of the original proposed resolution, so I am thinking of proposing this as an alternative option. I hereby propose this alternate

Re: Call for seconds: post-Lenny enforceability of DFSG violations

2008-10-29 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Hi Robert, Robert Millan wrote: I don't think NEW is the problem here. The question, from my POV, is that as developer I don't feel I am empowered to move a package to non-free without permission from the maintainers, even if it is obviously infringing on the Social Contract. For all but

Re: Call for seconds - DC concept

2008-10-29 Thread Colin Tuckley
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Peter Palfrader wrote: I hereby propose this alternate option/amendment and am asking for seconds. | The Debian Project recognizes that many contributors to the project are not | working withing established frameworks of Debian and thus

Re: Call for seconds - DC concept (was: Possible amendment for Debian Contributors concept)

2008-10-29 Thread Frans Pop
Although I take exception to some of the name calling that has been done against Charles and Lucas, I am fine with switching to this alternative proposal as its ultimate intend is identical: to safeguard that no changes are made to something as fundamental to the project as its membership

Re: Call for seconds - DC concept

2008-10-29 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
Peter Palfrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I hereby propose this alternate option/amendment and am asking for seconds. | The Debian Project recognizes that many contributors to the project are not | working withing established frameworks of Debian and thus are not provided by | the

Re: Call for seconds - DC concept (was: Possible amendment for Debian Contributors concept)

2008-10-29 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 11:45:31PM +0100, Frans Pop a écrit : I hereby second the proposal quoted below and have no objection to Charles Plessy's earlier proposal being dropped (or retracted) Thanks Frans for the explanation, and thanks again to Peter who showed us a way to an exit of the