On Sun, 02 Nov 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
Hi,
I hereby propose those two alternate options and am asking for seconds.
| Option: Ask the DAM to postpone the changes
|
| The Debian Project, by way of a general resolution of its developers, asks
| the Debian Account Managers to postpone
Le Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 08:58:40AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog a écrit :
On Sun, 02 Nov 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
Hi,
I hereby propose those two alternate options and am asking for seconds.
| Option: Ask the DAM to postpone the changes
|
| The Debian Project, by way of a general
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 08:48:44AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
No it's really not funny. I'm sick of reading ad nauseam your opinion.
Then don't read it. Me, I'm sick of reading personal attacks, but I
choose to read anyway out of responsibility.
It
smells like you have the truth and you
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 04:49:06PM +0100, Adeodato Simó wrote:
I'm just making a point that Robert assumed the project shared his views
and proposed a GR accordingly, instead of realizing he could be wrong,
and thought of having a different GR first.
If I'm proposing a GR, it is obviously
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 11:14:28PM +0100, Luk Claes wrote:
Bas Wijnen wrote:
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 06:30:56PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
Can someone explain me why all these threads smell of gratuitous RM
bashing?
I hope I didn't take part in that. I'm very happy with the work
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 07:42:47PM +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
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Robert Millan wrote:
If the project as a whole determines that the Release Team is empowered to
make exceptions to SC #1 as they see fit, I would accept it [1].
Please
On Wed, 12 Nov 2008, Peter Palfrader wrote:
| Firmware is data that is uploaded to hardware components, not designed to be
| run on the host CPU.
A postscript file isn't firmware simply because you can upload it to a
printer.
So, maybe slightly better:
| Firmware is data that is loaded into
Hi Peter,
As much as I respect the legitimacy of your proposal, I think it is overkill
to use a GR for that. Let me explain...
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:14:10PM +0100, Peter Palfrader wrote:
By excluding such firmware from Debian we exclude
| users that require such devices from installing
Hi,
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 03:29:30PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote:
For example, if you want to install Debian on an NSLU, the only difficulty is
finding the unofficial D-I images that include non-free firmware. And even
that can be improved. They could be linked from the main website, and
I hate complex ballots. They tend to work against the goal of a vote,
which is getting a crystal clear assessment on the opinions of the
Developers.
This vote is at 5 options already, with 2 more underway. I want to
propose, and get consensus on it, to logically split the vote in two or
three
* Adeodato Simó [Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:17:23 +0100]:
I don't think we have ever had this vote, and it's about time that
we do, *without bundling it with somebody else*.
something
--
Adeodato Simó
* Robert Millan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-11-12 15:29]:
For example, if you want to install Debian on an NSLU, the only
difficulty is finding the unofficial D-I images that include
non-free firmware. And even that can be improved. They could be
linked from the main website, and integrated with
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 04:20:33PM +0100, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
* Robert Millan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-11-12 15:29]:
For example, if you want to install Debian on an NSLU, the only
difficulty is finding the unofficial D-I images that include
non-free firmware. And even that can be improved.
ke, 2008-11-12 kello 15:41 +, Steve McIntyre kirjoitti:
I think I agree with the suggestion of creating a new archive section
for firmware - packages that are acknowledged to not meet the same
standards as main, but checked so that we know they're still legally
shippable by default on
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Steve McIntyre wrote:
Absolutely. I'm looking into creating such unofficial CDs already as
part of the regular builds.
I think I agree with the suggestion of creating a new archive section
for firmware - packages that are acknowledged to not
* Steve McIntyre ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [081112 16:31]:
I think I agree with the suggestion of creating a new archive section
for firmware - packages that are acknowledged to not meet the same
standards as main, but checked so that we know they're still legally
shippable by default on official
Hi,
Well, splitting a vote into multiple ballots, with options
referring to the same outcome, is a horrendously bad idea -- since the
massive amounts of strategic voting possibilities will taint the final
result.
If you are saying we can identify different actions which are
- Peter Palfrader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
c) such firmware can and should be part of our official installation media.
We've seen a trend towards organizations building on Debian as a foundation for
various special purpose distributions. Debian adds a lot of value as a starting
point
Hi,
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:14:10PM +0100, Peter Palfrader wrote:
I so didn't want to get into this discussion, but here goes anyway.
I'm considering formally proposing this GR (option):
| Firmware is data that is uploaded to hardware components, not designed to be
| run on the host
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 01:11:27PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote:
I therefore invite the people who like it to sponsor it by the end of the
week.
Can you/someone give a msgid/url to that proposal please?!
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... but I believe it has just reached the needed 5 seconds.
Hi Charles,
On Wednesday 12 November 2008 04:38, Charles Plessy wrote:
Lucas' amendment has only 4 sponsors, so technically I can start to call
for a vote. My position about this amendment is that if it can not get
enough sponsors, it does not has chances to win, and as I would prefer that
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Hi,
I second Manoj's proposal as quoted below.
Cheers,
Bernd
,[ Proposal 5: allow Lenny to release with firmware blobs ]
| 1. We affirm that our Priorities are our users and the free software
| community (Social Contract #4);
|
|
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 04:17:23PM +0100, Adeodato Simó wrote:
This vote is at 5 options already, with 2 more underway. I want to
propose, and get consensus on it, to logically split the vote in two or
three simple ballots, one for each of the orthogonal issues at hand.
FWIW, I'm in favor of
On Wed, Nov 12 2008, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 04:17:23PM +0100, Adeodato Simó wrote:
This vote is at 5 options already, with 2 more underway. I want to
propose, and get consensus on it, to logically split the vote in two or
three simple ballots, one for each of the
I so didn't want to get into this discussion, but here goes anyway.
I'm considering formally proposing this GR (option):
| Firmware is data that is uploaded to hardware components, not designed to be
| run on the host CPU. Often this firmware is already required at install time
| in order to
- Johannes Wiedersich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would propose to create a new section of the archive, called 'sourceless'
or such.
Stuff within this archive doesn't have full sources. It is legally
distributable and
follows the DFSG with the only exception of missing sources. On top
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 01:22:14PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 01:11:27PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote:
I therefore invite the people who like it to sponsor it by the end of the
week.
Can you/someone give a msgid/url to that proposal please?!
Message-Id:
On Wed, 12 Nov 2008, Adeodato Simó wrote:
I hate complex ballots. They tend to work against the goal of a
vote, which is getting a crystal clear assessment on the opinions of
the Developers.
The goal of a vote is the ranking of options; this doesn't necessarily
coincide with a clear assessment
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