On 15/09/10 at 12:08 +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> Naming (raised by at least Luca and Lars [8,9])
> ==
>
> Ah, what a mess!
>
> Until a few minutes before posting the GR proposal, the text contained a
> s/Debian Members/non-uploading Debian Developers/ and befor
On ke, 2010-09-15 at 09:26 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> If we go for DDs without upload rights, I think that we should be
> extremely careful about not transforming this new kind of DDs into
> second-class
> members of the project. A way to do that is to avoid giving them a name,
> and emphasize
Lucas Nussbaum writes:
> If we go for DDs without upload rights, I think that we should be
> extremely careful about not transforming this new kind of DDs into
> second-class members of the project. A way to do that is to avoid giving
> them a name, and emphasize the fact that they are DDs, not a
> I think unlimited upload access should be simply another one of those sets
> of permissions that some people have and others don't. Those who need
> that access to do their work can receive it after appropriate vetting of
> their ability to use that access appropriately, just as someone would
>
Joerg Jaspert writes:
> The more important part is getting the project to acknowledge the
> concept of a set of members/developers/whateveryounameit not having
> upload rights by default and letting DAM/FD/theusualpeople just manage
> that. The important part is opening our membership to people w
Le Tue, Sep 14, 2010 mat 06:29:24PM -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit :
> Charles Plessy writes:
>
> > after seeing the torrent of seconds, I am still puzzled if this GR is a
> > progress or a regression: is the take home message that Debian should be
> > more open, or that some members must not have u
On 09:26 Wed 15 Sep , Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> If we go for DDs without upload rights, I think that we should be
> extremely careful about not transforming this new kind of DDs into
> second-class
> members of the project. A way to do that is to avoid giving them a name,
> and emphasize the fac
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:26:59AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
>
>If we go for DDs without upload rights, I think that we should be
>extremely careful about not transforming this new kind of DDs into second-class
>members of the project. A way to do that is to avoid giving them a name,
>and emphas
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:26:59AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> If we go for DDs without upload rights, I think that we should be
> extremely careful about not transforming this new kind of DDs into
> second-class members of the project. A way to do that is to avoid
> giving them a name, and emph
Hi,
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:00:32PM +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system.
> To that end the project benefits from various types of contributions,
> including but not limited to: package maintenance, translations,
> infrastructur
Le Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:00:32PM +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
>
> The Debian project therefore invites the Debian Account Managers to:
>
> * Endorse the idea that contributors of non-packaging work might become
> Debian Developers, albeit without upload access to the Debian archive.
>
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 02:13:12PM +0200, Simon Richter wrote:
> I like that a lot more than the other wording, thus seconded.
Thanks for your appreciation, but wait! :-) There are no need of seconds
for this change (unless some of the previous seconders considers it
unfaithful with respect to the
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:20:54PM +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 04:04:24PM +0100, Philip Hands wrote:
> > > * Active contributors of non-packaging work, which share Debian values
> > > and are ready to uphold Debian Foundation Documents, deserve the
> > > opportuni
On 15/09/10 at 10:22 +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> I, using my FTPMaster hat, do care a lot that we do not get
> $whateveritsname with upload rights that never ever had to show at least
> the basic understanding of packaging work. Looking at all the errors
> existing Developers do, even longstandin
On 15/09/10 at 21:00 +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> Attached you can find a tentative wording of a proposal which remove the
> term "Debian Contributors", pretty similar to the version I had before
> posting (shame on me for changing that!), but maybe a bit better in that
> it doesn't the horri
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:16:00PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> It seems to me that, if “albeit without upload access to the Debian
> archive” were removed, it would not close the possibility for the
> people in charge to difference of status.
> Would such a change be a happy end for everybody ?
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 02:40:56PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> So, you say that both old and newer DDs sometimes lack packaging skills.
> This sounds like an acknowledgement of the failure of T&S, and the NM
> process in general, to make sure that DDs have the necessary skills?
Please, as requ
Hi,
Stefano Zacchiroli writes:
> ---
> The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system.
> To that end the project benefits from various types of contributions,
> including but not limited to: package maintenan
On 14/09/10 at 18:56 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> Hi,
>
> While I support welcoming non-packaging contributors as project members,
> I am concerned that we are creating the concept of second-class DDs (or
> at least, that it will be communicated like that).
>
> I see two different ways to avoid
My main problem with this text is that while it may fit to the current
realities, it makes no sense from a formalistic point of view, as large
parts of the text seem to imply there was no way for non-packagers yet
and there were no procedures for that.
* Stefano Zacchiroli [100915 14:00]:
> The D
Re: Lucas Nussbaum 2010-09-15 <20100915141740.ga21...@xanadu.blop.info>
> * Establish procedures to evaluate and accept contributors of
> non-packaging work as Debian Developers.
>
> Additionally, the Debian project acknowledges that the current practice of
> providing all Debian Developers with
Le Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:01:47PM +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:16:00PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> > It seems to me that, if “albeit without upload access to the Debian
> > archive” were removed, it would not close the possibility for the
> > people in charge
Paul Wise wrote:
> Stefano you seem to be 5 years too late with this GR, fjp's AM report
> looks like he was accepted primarily for his work on documentation and
> translations:
>
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-newmaint/2005/02/msg00017.html
Not really. From my original advocation of Frans:
| B
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:00:32PM +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:26:59AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> > If we go for DDs without upload rights, I think that we should be
> > extremely careful about not transforming this new kind of DDs into
> > second-class members
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 02:13:12PM +0200, Simon Richter wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:00:32PM +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
>
> > The Debian project aims at producing the best free operating system.
> > To that end the project benefits from various types of contributions,
> > inc
On 09/15/2010 02:16 PM, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Le Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:00:32PM +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
>>
>> The Debian project therefore invites the Debian Account Managers to:
>>
>> * Endorse the idea that contributors of non-packaging work might become
>> Debian Developers, alb
Russ Allbery writes:
> I think unlimited upload access should be simply another one of those sets
> of permissions that some people have and others don't. Those who need
> that access to do their work can receive it after appropriate vetting of
> their ability to use that access appropriately, j
Romain Francoise writes:
> Russ Allbery writes:
>> I think unlimited upload access should be simply another one of those
>> sets of permissions that some people have and others don't. Those who
>> need that access to do their work can receive it after appropriate
>> vetting of their ability to
Le Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:02:34PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz a écrit :
> On 09/15/2010 02:16 PM, Charles Plessy wrote:
> > Le Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:00:32PM +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
> >>
> >> The Debian project therefore invites the Debian Account Managers to:
> >>
> >> * Endorse the idea th
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