Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board result

2021-04-18 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 06:58:49PM +0100, Barak A. Pearlmutter wrote: > If the winning option in an election is part of a preference cycle, > then it (by definition) has the property that there exists some other > option that a majority of the voters preferred. In some elections that > is

Re: General resolution: ratify https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io

2021-03-24 Thread Neil McGovern
Please, as a previous vote runner, can we only have 5 seconders rather than the (currently) 82 DDs who have signed it so far? On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 01:54:16PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > Text of GR > > The Debian Project co-signs the statement regarding Richard Stallman's >

Re: What are your thoughts on discourse?

2020-03-18 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 10:05:58PM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote: > (since it's a test site I guess that might be invalid one day) It is very, very likely to be invalid in the coming weeks/months. I shall endeavour to copy any replies to the topic over to this list for posterity. Neil

Re: Question to Brian: why not submit your plan for a Debian Foundation to a GR ?

2020-03-18 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 12:57:55AM +0800, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > * Louis-Philippe Véronneau [2020-03-18 12:52]: > > Would you care to elaborate on what "the Yorba determination" is? I > > couldn't find anything online about this... > > There was a time when the IRS didn't approve any new

Re: Question to Brian: why not submit your plan for a Debian Foundation to a GR ?

2020-03-18 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Brian, On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 12:53:10AM -0400, Brian Gupta wrote: > > I understand coming up with a solid business plan for a "Debian > > Foundation" is not something that can be done in a few weeks. > > You are correct. It's going to take 6-12 months of work to create the > foundation, >

Re: Question Under Proposal D: Compile Time Option

2019-12-02 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Dec 02, 2019 at 05:18:35PM +0100, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 11/29/19 11:32 PM, Sam Hartman wrote: > > Imagine that we have a program that has compile time support for systemd > > and for other mechanisms. It provides enhanced functionality when built > > against systemd, but when so

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

2016-07-15 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 11:14:45AM +, Thaddeus H. Black wrote: > (However, if this copy, too, does not appear in the web archive, then > I will ask listmas...@lists.debian.org or file a bug as appropriate.) > Your (new) mail does now appear publically accessible to all who search for it in

Re: GR Proposal: replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution

2016-07-09 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 03:27:56PM +0200, Margarita Manterola wrote: > === BEGIN GR TEXT === > > Title: Replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian Constitution > > All appearances of the word Chairman shall be replaced with the word Chair. > > === END GR TEXT === Seconded. Neil

Re: Proposed GR: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private

2016-07-07 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 03:37:08PM +0200, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: > === BEGIN GR TEXT === > > Title: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private. > > 1. The 2005 General Resolution titled "Declassification of debian-private >list archives" is repealed. > 2. In keeping with

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2016: Call for nominations

2016-03-07 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, Mar 06, 2016 at 06:53:12PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > On 05/03/16 at 23:33 +0100, Debian Project Secretary - Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > Hi, > > > > According to the constitution (5.2. Appointment), project > > leader elections should begin "six weeks before the leadership > > post becomes

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2016: Call for nominations

2016-03-07 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sat, Mar 05, 2016 at 11:33:33PM +0100, Debian Project Secretary - Kurt Roeckx wrote: > The new project leader term starts on Friday the 17th of April, > 2016. The time line looks like: > > | Period | Start| End| >

Re: Q to all candidates: spending money

2015-03-31 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 05:50:06AM +, Anthony Towns wrote: On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 08:13:22PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 08:58:35PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: Why? What target level are you aiming for and what's the rationale? Hopefully https

Re: Q to all candidates: spending money

2015-03-31 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 09:13:10AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: On 20/03/15 at 20:02 +, Neil McGovern wrote: On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 08:56:23PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Neil McGovern ne...@debian.org [2015-03-20 19:27 +0100]: I'd be more sympathetic to funding

Re: Q to all candidates: spending money

2015-03-20 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 12:08:02PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Lucas Nussbaum lu...@debian.org [2015-03-12 10:16 +0100]: All candidates: how will you reconcile that with the fact that the DPL currently only has a limited vision of what funds are available, and how they evolved

Re: Q to Neil: PPA

2015-03-20 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 09:57:28AM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: Neil, in your platform, you advocate PPAs and modernising our build and infrastructure. What's the DPL's role in this? Or, put differently, couldn't you just start working on this without the DPL hat? Why not? What's the

Re: Q to all candidates: dropping SC §5

2015-03-20 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 05:01:57PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Dear candidates, do you think the time is ripe for dropping section §5 of the Debian Social Contract [1], namely Works that do not meet our free software standards or should we wait more? I don't think it's time to drop

Re: Q to all candidates: fundraising

2015-03-20 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 12:09:37PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: Question(s) to all candidates: What is your perception of fundraising in and around Debian? Short of DebConf (and more recently Outreachy), we don't do anything of significance. If anything, what changes would you like to help

Re: Q to all candidates: spending money

2015-03-20 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 08:56:23PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Neil McGovern ne...@debian.org [2015-03-20 19:27 +0100]: I'd be more sympathetic to funding someone (perhaps via an internship, or gap year student who's going on to accountancy) to help set up a system so we can

Re: Q to all candidates: spending money

2015-03-20 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 08:58:35PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Neil McGovern ne...@debian.org [2015-03-20 19:39 +0100]: However, let me be clear: I intend on spending /more/ than that surplus. I would like our reserves to be at a lower level than they are now. Why? What

Re: Q to all candidates: spending money

2015-03-17 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 08:06:26PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 06:44:45PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: * Outreach. Every team complains (quite rightly!) about the lack of people to do the work. Yet we seem to be rather poor at actively recruiting people to come

Re: Q to all candidates: DebConf orga

2015-03-17 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 12:03:07PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: What is your perception of DebConf and its organisation? If any, what changes would you like to implement? The history of the DebConf team is long and varied, and has changed quite a bit since I was involved. (Note: background

Re: Thoughts/questions for any candidate

2015-03-16 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi AJ, (A fair amount of snipping follows, but hopefully there's still the context :) On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 01:20:15AM +, Anthony Towns wrote: the DPL position is /the/ optimal place to be in Debian if you want to be innovative. Is it fair to expect cool new innovations within Debian if

Re: Q to all candidates: spending money

2015-03-16 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:07:21PM +0100, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: Will you revoke 20131008134615.ga19...@xanadu.blop.info or do you think this authorization is useful? From what I can see, it seems sensible to have this in place. If DSA doesn't like it, or would like it changed of course,

Re: Q to all candidates: spending money

2015-03-13 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 10:16:45AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Hi, In his platform, Neil wrote: I will spend some money we have horded. Debian currently holds approximately $200,000 at SPI alone. Our donators didn't give us money for it to be sat around in a bank account, we should

Re: increasing maximum ctte size

2014-11-18 Thread Neil McGovern
Even if it were as ready, I wonder if it wouldn't be better to have a separate GR. Voting once instead of twice is nice for everyone, but conflating two separate decisions in a single GR has been proven to be unwise in the past. And I'm especially wary of doing so with a constitutional

Re: Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-04 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Nov 03, 2014 at 09:52:39PM +, Sam Hartman wrote: Sune == Sune Vuorela nos...@vuorela.dk writes: Sune I read the logs from the tech-ctte meeting, and my impression Sune was that - people in tech-ctte thinks that maximum terms are a Sune good idea - that they should

Re: Results for init system coupling

2014-11-04 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 02:43:13PM +, devo...@vote.debian.org wrote: This message is an automated, unofficial publication of vote results. Official results shall follow, sent in by the vote taker, namely Debian Project Secretary Whelp, that wasn't meant to happen. Apologies for the

Call for Votes: General Resolution: Init system coupling

2014-11-04 Thread Neil McGovern
This is the first call for votes on the above GR. PLEASE NOTE: voting is not yet open. Voting period starts 00:00:00 UTC on Wednesday, November 5th, 2014 Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Tuesday, November 18th, 2014 The following ballot is for voting on init system

Re: Call for Votes: General Resolution: Init system coupling

2014-11-04 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 05:53:36PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 57dd4d7c-3e92-428f-8ab7-10de5172589e [ ] Choice 1: Packages may not (in general) require a specific init system [ ] Choice 2: Support alternative init

Re: Call for Votes: General Resolution: Init system coupling

2014-11-04 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 07:54:46PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Hi Neil, On 04/11/14 at 17:53 +, Neil McGovern wrote: - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 57dd4d7c-3e92-428f-8ab7-10de5172589e [ ] Choice 1: Packages may not (in general) require

Re: Call for Votes: General Resolution: Init system coupling

2014-11-04 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 07:11:45PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: I think this is still possible. It's a shame that this slightly odd pre-CFV (CFV posted before voting period opens) wasn't explicitly a draft, and posted only to -vote. This vote has currently used up about 15 hours of my time,

Re: Call for Votes: General Resolution: Init system coupling

2014-11-04 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 09:17:51PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: I cannot parse the last bullet point, sorry (and any the release team?). Also, the proposal does not mention the release team. Reasonable changes to preserve or improve sysvinit support should be accepted through the jessie

Re: Call for Votes: General Resolution: Init system coupling

2014-11-04 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 01:30:18PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 04 Nov 2014, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: On 04/11/14 at 17:53 +, Neil McGovern wrote: - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 57dd4d7c-3e92-428f-8ab7-10de5172589e [ ] Choice 1

REISSUED CfV: General Resolution: Init system coupling

2014-11-04 Thread Neil McGovern
Note: this is a re-issued CfV, please use the ballot below or your vote will be rejected. Voting is now open. Voting period starts 00:00:00 UTC on Wednesday, November 5th, 2014 Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Tuesday, November 18th, 2014 The following ballot is for

Re: Maximum term for tech ctte members

2014-11-03 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Sam, On Mon, Nov 03, 2014 at 07:00:46PM +, Sam Hartman wrote: This seems to have stalled and I'm disappointed to see that because I think this is an important issue. My recommendation is that you propose a resolution based on the comments you received. nontrivial ongoing

Re: Legitimate exercise of our constitutional decision-making processes [Was, Re: Tentative summary of the amendments]

2014-10-29 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 06:31:43PM +0200, Aigars Mahinovs wrote: On 28 October 2014 18:20, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote: With all of those facilities, we've taken different approaches; with the mail transport agent, for example, we've defined an interface that all mail transport

Re: Legitimate exercise of our constitutional decision-making processes [Was, Re: Tentative summary of the amendments]

2014-10-29 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 02:16:14PM +0200, Aigars Mahinovs wrote: On 29 October 2014 13:40, Neil McGovern ne...@debian.org wrote: * if we go the MTA/sh route, then we define lowest common denominator interface of an init system and only init systems providing that (possibly with a systemd

Re: Legitimate exercise of our constitutional decision-making processes [Was, Re: Tentative summary of the amendments]

2014-10-29 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 12:27:40PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: Neil McGovern writes (Re: Legitimate exercise of our constitutional decision-making processes [Was, Re: Tentative summary of the amendments]): As far as I'm aware, we don't actually say that anywhere. Applications can only /rely

Re: [Sorry Neil] Wording modification of the The ???no GR, please??? amendement.

2014-10-22 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 07:45:39AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Indeed, you are right: by definition, not all questions have been answered. The existing wording of the amendement is therefore logically inconsistent. I propose the following replacement as per article A.1.5 of our Contitution.

Re: Re-Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems

2014-10-22 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Sergey, On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 04:38:49PM +0300, Sergey Vlasov wrote: Seconded. I say no to systemd dependency. I want to be able to choose myself what init system to use in my Debian setup. This mail isn't signed, nor do I seem to be able to find you in db.debian.org. Unfortunately,

Re: GR option text on ballots

2014-10-21 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 08:14:44AM +0200, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: Le lundi, 20 octobre 2014, 12.17:14 Neil McGovern a écrit : Ian's: make each package support all alternative init systems This is actively misleading in a least four ways: Yup, I wouldn't count that as neutral

Re: [Call for seconds] The “no GR, please“ amendement.

2014-10-20 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 11:29:21PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: --- The Debian project asks its members to be considerate when proposing General Resolutions, as the GR process may be disruptive regardless of the outcome

Re: Alternative proposal: reaffirm maintainers technical competence over the software they maintain

2014-10-20 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 12:21:18PM +0200, Luca Falavigna wrote: Dear fellow Developers, I would like to propose the following amendment proposal, and I hereby call for seconds. All received and valid. Thanks, Neil -- signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: [Call for seconds] The “no GR, please“ amendement.

2014-10-20 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 11:29:21PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Anyway, whichever the name I call for seconds (or comments: if this proposed amendment is considered harmful, let me know). Received (well, found in the middle of a mail thread, thanks for changing the subject though :P) and

Re: GR option text on ballots

2014-10-20 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 03:18:52PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: Lucas Nussbaum writes (Re: GR option text on ballots): I'd like to propose: I would like to reiterate my view that these summaries should be positive, and written by the proponent of each version, so long as they are not

Re: Amendment (Re: Re-Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems)

2014-10-20 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 02:59:16PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: (CC secretary@ to avoid this getting overlooked in the mail flood.) I hereby formally propose the amendment below (Constitution A.1(1) `directly by proposer'), and, then, immediately accept it (A.1(2)). This resets the minimum

Re: Alternative proposal: support for alternative init systems is desirable but not mandatory

2014-10-17 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 09:44:16AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: I am therefore bringing forward an alternative proposal Recieved, and verified. Note, this has been proposed by the current Project Leader, and thus does not require seconds, but will record those seconding anyway. Neil --

Re: Alternative proposal: support for alternative init systems is desirable but not mandatory

2014-10-17 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 01:05:31PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: On 17/10/14 at 11:38 +0200, Michael Banck wrote: On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 09:44:16AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: For the jessie release, all software that currently supports being run under sysvinit should continue to

Re: Alternative proposal: support for alternative init systems is desirable but not mandatory

2014-10-17 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 03:25:03PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: On 17/10/14 at 13:59 +0100, Neil McGovern wrote: On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 01:05:31PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: On 17/10/14 at 11:38 +0200, Michael Banck wrote: On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 09:44:16AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote

Re: Re-Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems

2014-10-16 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 04:05:41PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: I wish to propose the following general resolution, and hereby call for seconds. Your proposal has been received and is signed correctly. Neil -- signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Re-Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems

2014-10-16 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 07:57:06PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: Seconded. I'm getting a bad signature from you, can you try again, perhaps with a clearsigned mail? Thanks, Neil -- signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Results for Debian Project Leader 2014 ElectionStart_Time = 31 Mar 2014 00:00:00

2014-04-14 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 09:27:17AM +0200, Joachim Breitner wrote: Hi, Am Montag, den 14.04.2014, 00:00 + schrieb devo...@vote.debian.org: The winners are: Option 1 Lucas Nussbaum congrats, and all the best for the next term. (Also congrats to Neil for getting a very good result

Re: time-limited, auto-reinstated delegations (and reports)

2014-03-30 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 06:15:46PM +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: A way around that would be to use time-limited delegations *only*. Q: What do the candidates think of that idea? If you agree it'd be good, would do you engage in doing so for the duration of your term? I think that there's

Re: How should we deal with bad maintainers?

2014-03-30 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 10:21:06AM +0100, Gergely Nagy wrote: Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org writes: assume that a package maintainer is active but is doing a bad job regarding our standards (things like ignoring problems in stable, breaking backwards compatibility for no good reason,

Re: All DPL candidates: DPL Term lengths and limits?

2014-03-30 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Brian, On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 07:54:50PM -0400, Brian Gupta wrote: I know this has been raised in elections past, but any thoughts on the current one-year DPL terms, and unlimited terms allowed? If thoughts are geared toward change do you have any plans to actively try to change the

Re: All DPL candidates: Debian assets

2014-03-30 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Steve, On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 01:03:31PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: Do you think it's appropriate for these organizers to use Debian's name in seeking local sponsorship without consulting the DPL? Sorry for not being clearer, but no. I think that a central repository and/or sponsors

Re: Team health and actions

2014-03-30 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Enrico, On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 09:26:01AM +0100, Enrico Zini wrote: 1. a team that works well and in a sustainable way, and how a DPL can bring thankfulness and appreciation; I think that most of our teams work well and are sustainable. The level of sustainability can sometimes teeter

Re: non-free?

2014-03-30 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 10:25:02AM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 09:32:26AM +0100, Frank Lin PIAT wrote: On Tue, 2014-03-25 at 15:29 +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Because as long as we document it, it's very hard to claim that non-free is not part of Debian, when

Re: DPL candidates: managing the CTTE memberships

2014-03-30 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Josselin, On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 10:57:59AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: What is your stance on disruptive members in the committee? I would prefer TC to work with each other constructively, but I also recognise that this isn't always possible when it comes to a controversial decision.

Re: two questions: fund raising money and publicity

2014-03-28 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Gunnar, On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:55:35PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: So, back to the case: What's your take on this issue? How much can one part of the Debian universe of subprojects expect the money it generated be available for its future? Should we set a clear number? On the specific

Re: All DPL candidates: about the PPAMAIN

2014-03-27 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Thomas, On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 03:07:39PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: Though, it is my understanding that those who are capable of doing the work are too busy. So what is your plan? Is using Debian money for sponsoring that work one of the things you would do? If yes, up to what amount

Re: what should the DFSG apply to?

2014-03-27 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Paul, Slightly re-arranging the question order, if that's ok. On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 03:42:43PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: Please share your thoughts on the SC and DFSG, in particular: Which items of the DFSG should apply to which types of works? How do you currently determine which files

Re: To Neil: 2IC

2014-03-27 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Lucas, On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 08:27:52PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: In your rebuttal, you are quite critical of the idea of a board. You raise concerns about the risk of creating a cabal, and about transparency and democratic accountability. I fully agree that those concerns are valid

Re: Debian Project Leader?

2014-03-25 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 02:23:30PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: Please imagine a Debian without the DPL position. How would it be better, how would it be worse, how would things work differently, would it be desirable? Hi Paul, I think there's a couple of aspects to this, one from an external

Re: two questions: fund raising money and publicity

2014-03-25 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Ana! On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:21:20AM +0100, Ana Guerrero Lopez wrote: DebConf is one of the biggest expenses of Debian, every year we look for sponsorship and we had (and have) sponsors who were sponsoring DebConf as a way of giving their annual donation to Debian and not necessarily

Re: non-free?

2014-03-24 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Paul, On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 05:43:25PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: To the candidates, Which packages from Debian contrib/non-free do you use or have installed? On my laptop, I have: firmware-realtek, icc-profiles, intel-microcode, skype and steam from non-free, and flashplugin-nonfree,

Re: Both DPL candidates: handling social conflict

2014-03-21 Thread Neil McGovern
On 21 Mar 2014, at 14:42, Filippo Rusconi lopi...@debian.org wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 02:10:01PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 01:44:54PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: While I understand the question, I'm not sure this is very relevant. Yes, Debian is about

Re: Both DPL candidates: appropriate choice of dresswear for the DPL

2014-03-21 Thread Neil McGovern
On 21 Mar 2014, at 14:37, Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 01:27:11PM +, Lars Wirzenius wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 01:44:54PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: However, Debian is not a cult. Indeed not. We are a clan. Which inspires my next question.

Re: All DPL candidates: Debian assets

2014-03-21 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Hector, On 14 Mar 2014, at 13:25, Hector Oron zu...@debian.org wrote: Hello DPL candidates, First of all congratulations for your nominations. I have several questions for you, I hope you do not mind to reply: Thanks for your question, it’s good to see a DSA member engaging with the

Re: All DPL candidates: Time dedicated to the project + team

2014-03-14 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Sylvestre, On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 10:58:07AM +0100, Sylvestre Ledru wrote: * Are you allowed by your employer to work during the week on DPL tasks or is it something that you are going to do on your free time? A bit of both. Collabora allows for a certain percentage of time to be spent

Re: All DPL candidates: level of team management [and 1 more messages]

2014-03-14 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 04:11:27PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: Contrary to what Lars says, I think there is a clear difference between these two approaches. ISTM that Lucas is much more hands-on and (for example) and takes much more of a close interest in the processes adopted by teams, than

Re: All DPL candidates: level of team management

2014-03-12 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Lars, Thanks for kicking off the questions this year! On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 08:49:41PM +, Lars Wirzenius wrote: For all DPL candidates: We have a number of delegated teams. How detailed should the delegations be? I've written my view of the constitution in quite a detailed post

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-03-10 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 02:20:11PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 12:12:33AM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: * Wouter Verhelst (wou...@debian.org) [140308 02:21]: So rather than accepting this amendment, I propose that we modify paragraph 3 read as follows, instead:

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-03-10 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 10:19:07PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 09:03:19PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: ol liThe Debian project decides to accept a code of conduct for participants to its mailinglists, IRC channels, and other modes of communication within the

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-03-08 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Wouter, On 8 Mar 2014, at 01:21, Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org wrote: On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 06:05:45PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: Amendment A - move mailing list CoC text to further reading After some consideration, I accept this amendment. Thank you very much :) Amendment B

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2014: Call for nominations

2014-03-08 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, Mar 02, 2014 at 06:47:24PM +0100, Debian Project Secretary - Kurt Roeckx wrote: Please make sure that nominations are sent to (or cc:'d to) debian-vote, and are cryptographically signed. Hi Kurt, I hereby nominate myself as a candidate for the 2014 DPL election. Dear DSA, until the

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-03-07 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 11:23:48AM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 06:05:45PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: Amendment B - Updates to the CoC should be via developers as a whole Justification - I believe that this document should have the strength of being a whole

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-03-07 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 06:33:44PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:59:42AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Hi all, This is to propose a general resolution under §4.1.5 of the constitution to propose a Debian code of conduct. So I've put up a vote page with my

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-03-07 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 06:37:41PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:59:42AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: == 1. The Debian project decides to accept a code of conduct for participants to its mailinglists, IRC channels, and other modes of communication within

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-03-07 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 06:19:56PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: Kurt Roeckx writes (Re: GR proposal: code of conduct): Wouter, are you going to accept Neil's amendment, or should I create 2 options? Wouter, please don't accept Neil's second amendment (the one disallowing modification by the

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-03-05 Thread Neil McGovern
Seconded, but I'd also like a couple of amendments which I'll add in another mail. Neil On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:59:42AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: 1. The Debian project decides to accept a code of conduct for participants to its mailinglists, IRC channels, and other modes of

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-03-05 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 05:53:48PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: Seconded, but I'd also like a couple of amendments which I'll add in another mail. And here's those amendments. Amendment A - move mailing list CoC text to further reading Justification: I think that it's better to keep the CoC

Re: Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems

2014-03-02 Thread Neil McGovern
On 2 Mar 2014, at 13:36, Michael Banck mba...@debian.org wrote: On Sat, Mar 01, 2014 at 11:17:12AM +, Neil McGovern wrote: I'm very wary about passing resolutions which require work from future persons unidentified. Presumeably it would need a person who is a) keen on the desktop system

Re: Proposal - preserve freedom of choice of init systems

2014-03-01 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Matthew, On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 11:45:01PM +, Matthew Vernon wrote: Degraded operation with some init systems is tolerable, so long as the degradation is no worse than what the Debian project would consider a tolerable (non-RC) bug even if it were affecting all users. So the

Re: Debian's custom use of Condorcet and later-no-harm

2014-02-28 Thread Neil McGovern
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 04:50:47PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: In my proposal, the casting voter gets to choose between A and B and there less incentive to manipulate the system by voting FD. I'm just wondering, what was the purpose behind treating FD as a special case in the first place? Could

Re: GR proposal: code of conduct

2014-02-12 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi Wouter, Thanks for all your work on helping bring this together so far, but I think this ballot is troubling on a number of reasons. On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:59:42AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: 1. The Debian project decides to accept a code of conduct for participants to its

Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-01-27 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 03:56:29PM +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: I don't think our constitution allows a resolution of the TC to change how §4.1.4 has to be interpreted for a GR overriding it[0]. It would certainly need to be checked with the secretary (CC'ed, just in case). That

Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-01-27 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 09:21:41AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: Didier 'OdyX' Raboud o...@debian.org writes: Le dimanche, 19 janvier 2014, 12.39:01 Ian Jackson a écrit : I agree. I think that would be quite bad. We could explicitly state in our TC resolution that the TC decision can be

Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for Debian

2014-01-27 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 05:11:17PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: Ian - any thoughts on if your tech-ctte constitution GR could address this? You mean my TC resolution draft. Nope, I meant your supermajorty etc draft. Snipping the rest, as that seems to be something for tech-ctte, rather than

Re: leader2013

2013-04-16 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 07:09:50PM +0200, David Kalnischkies wrote: Assuming Debian keyring refers to the package debian-keyring (which should be a reasonable safe assumption, right?) This assumption is incorrect: the Debian keyring is defined by devotee for the leader2013 vote as: cat

Re: Debian's relationship with money and the economy

2013-03-15 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 08:13:02PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: I think I would generally be fine about an informational message in Debian Project News about an fundraising campaign for something that clearly benefits Debian. Btw, in the specific example of your book, have you considered

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2013: Call for nominations

2013-03-07 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, Mar 03, 2013 at 11:02:06AM +, Moray Allan wrote: I nominate myself as a prospective DPL for the 2013 election. Thanks, received and is a valid nomination. Neil (as Assistant Secretary) signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2013: Call for nominations

2013-03-07 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, Mar 03, 2013 at 09:44:32AM +0100, Gergely Nagy wrote: Debian Project Secretary - Kurt Roeckx secret...@debian.org writes: Please make sure that nominations are sent to (or cc:'d to) debian-vote, and are cryptographically signed. *clears throat* I hereby nominate myself as a

Re: The other diversity statement

2012-11-26 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:58:04AM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: I really should not be writing this. I should be sleeping. I have to get up for work in less than six hours. But I *really* would love to know a DD vote outcome on something like the below text, though written with less sarcasm,

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-14 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 02:50:59AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Is there any other policies that you disagree with, No. and would you be looking to change any of these as DPL? Not without first trying to achieve consensus. I'm slightly confused by my being copied in to your reply

Re: Finding sponsors for Debian

2012-03-13 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:13:38AM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: But I've learned that we need to communicate this a whole lot better. Ideas how ... would be best directed to debian-project :) Neil -- A. Because it breaks the logical sequence of discussion Q. Why is top posting bad? gpg key -

Re: Gergely and Wouter: on the need of becoming a DPL

2012-03-13 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 05:00:12PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Also, I think the CoC is wrong in making policy about who to send replies to. Some people actually prefer getting replies, while others don't. Since there's a header that nicely allows you to specify just that, I think a more

Second Call for Votes - GR: Debian project members

2010-10-10 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi, This is a second call for votes for GR: Debian project members The timeline is: Voting period starts 00:00:01 UTC on Tuesday, 5th Oct 2010 Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Monday, 18th Oct 2010 The following ballot is for voting on a General Resolution on Project's

Re: Three common voting errors - how to avoid them

2010-10-06 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 03:25:58PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Neil McGovern n...@halon.org.uk writes: Yes, it would. And so would expecting people to read the mail. Given that there were a number (28?) sent before voting peoriod started, I'm not convinced that people will actually do

Three common voting errors - how to avoid them

2010-10-05 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 08:47:49PM +0100, Debian Project Secretary - Neil McGovern wrote: In the brackets next to your preferred choice, place a 1. Place a 2 in the brackets next to your next choice. You may rank options equally (as long as all choices X you make are 1 or 2). Please make

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