On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 09:15:34PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 07:36:57PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 10:42:13AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > > On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 12:51:23PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > > It is amazing to what step
On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 07:36:57PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 10:42:13AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 12:51:23PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > It is amazing to what step people can resort just to silence the voice
> > > of their own concience
On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 10:42:13AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 12:51:23PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > It is amazing to what step people can resort just to silence the voice
> > of their own concience and don't be reminded of their shame.
>
> There is no shame here. Th
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 12:51:23PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> It is amazing to what step people can resort just to silence the voice
> of their own concience and don't be reminded of their shame.
There is no shame here. There is only annoyance.
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On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 11:45:18AM -0400, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:
> Then I recommend you not respond to discussions about it; that seems
> to work.
I apologize for the noise, and I apologize for not realizing that all
threads are really about Sven.
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On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 10:48:45AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Fri, 18 May 2007 00:05:39 -0700, Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > What do you expect? Do you tell people that breaking up with their
> > partners is a shitty thing to do? Lots of breakups are unfair. They
> > ha
On Fri, 18 May 2007 00:05:39 -0700, Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> What do you expect? Do you tell people that breaking up with their
> partners is a shitty thing to do? Lots of breakups are unfair. They
> happen anyway. Some of them come complete with the horrified and
> offended e
On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 11:05:36AM -0400, Clint Adams wrote:
> I'm going to assume that you're alluding to the failed marriage of Sven
> and Frans. I have no idea why either of you think I am interested in
> discussing the Sven saga, because I am not.
Then I recommend you not respond to discussio
On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 07:49:24AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> Welcome to Debian, and the way those in power would like it to be. And
> then you wonder i am having such a problem since over a year now.
No, I don't wonder that at all.
On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 12:05:39AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
>
On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 12:05:39AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Clint Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 02:07:36PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
>
> >> If you're out to improve the world and get it rid of all social
> >> unfairnesses, I suggest you find yourself another
Clint Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 02:07:36PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
>> If you're out to improve the world and get it rid of all social
>> unfairnesses, I suggest you find yourself another project.
> Now there's a shitty thing to say.
Anything else would be
On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 11:51:28PM -0400, Clint Adams wrote:
> On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 02:07:36PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > If you're out to improve the world and get it rid of all social
> > unfairnesses, I suggest you find yourself another project.
>
> Now there's a shitty thing to say.
On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 01:23:50PM +1000, Brian May wrote:
> > "Sven" == Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Sven> It is easy enough, that the powers-in-debian stop to try to
> Sven> punish me for it, an,d that a real and fair mediation
> Sven> happens, and that the other p
On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 02:07:36PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> If you're out to improve the world and get it rid of all social
> unfairnesses, I suggest you find yourself another project.
Now there's a shitty thing to say.
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> "Sven" == Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Sven> It is easy enough, that the powers-in-debian stop to try to
Sven> punish me for it, an,d that a real and fair mediation
Sven> happens, and that the other party honestly tries to forget
Sven> the past grudges.
Unfortunat
On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 02:07:36PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:19:29AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> > I am glad never to have worked full-time in such a workplace and would
> > like to remind the project that another world is possible.
>
> Debian isn't out to rid the world
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:19:29AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> I am glad never to have worked full-time in such a workplace and would
> like to remind the project that another world is possible.
Debian isn't out to rid the world of social unfairness; instead, Debian
is out to provide a Free Operating s
On Sat, May 12, 2007 at 10:04:18AM +0300, Kalle Kivimaa wrote:
> Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > The expulsion procedure calls for such statements to be sent to both the
> > DAMs and to -private. So it's reasonable to discount mails from developers
> > who didn't follow directions,
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The expulsion procedure calls for such statements to be sent to both the
> DAMs and to -private. So it's reasonable to discount mails from developers
> who didn't follow directions, isn't it?
Yes. OTOH the procedure also calls for such statements to co
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 12:18:33PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote:
> On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:10:14AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> > Because I would seek one that mandates listmasters banning Sven Luther
> > >from all lists, and DAMs expelling for ban-evasion. I realise that
> > there is a way for it to c
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 12:34:47PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
> On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 12:29:56PM +0200, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:03:48AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> > > Holger Levsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > On Thursday 10 May 2007 10:15, Hamish
MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> The difference in a professional workplace is that the people in
>> authority aren't shy to make decisions, make them much earlier and
>> faster, and enforce them in a considerably more draconian fashion than
>> Debian
On Friday 11 May 2007 05:43:33 Holger Levsen wrote:
> Also I wonder where all those supporters of Sven are now. I wouldnt be
> surprised if by now, more people have killfilled Sven and all messages
> refering to his messages, than there are supporters of him in Debian.
> I should probably do the sa
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 01:43:33PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Friday 11 May 2007 12:03, MJ Ray wrote:
> > > > The expulsion procedure doesn't call for a vote, so your 70:7 statistic
> > > > is irrelevant.
> > > It's also wrong.
> > So what is the count that DAMs received? I mean, if
Hi,
On Friday 11 May 2007 12:03, MJ Ray wrote:
> > > The expulsion procedure doesn't call for a vote, so your 70:7 statistic
> > > is irrelevant.
> > It's also wrong.
> So what is the count that DAMs received? I mean, if one says that's wrong,
> then one should know what is right in order to say
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 12:34:47PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
> On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 12:29:56PM +0200, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:03:48AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> > > Holger Levsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > On Thursday 10 May 2007 10:15, Hamish
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 12:29:56PM +0200, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:03:48AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> > Holger Levsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Thursday 10 May 2007 10:15, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> > > > The expulsion procedure doesn't call for a vote,
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 12:33:38PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote:
> On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 12:32:15PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 12:18:33PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote:
> > > On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:10:14AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> > > > Because I would seek one that mandat
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:14:59AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Do you recognize that reinstating Sven's access would not be a resolution,
> > since he has a long list of other grievances he likes to air publically, and
> > that no resolution to the present problem
Michael Banck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:10:14AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> > Because I would seek one that mandates listmasters banning Sven Luther
> > >from all lists, and DAMs expelling for ban-evasion. I realise that
> > there is a way for it to continue after that, bu
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 12:32:15PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 12:18:33PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote:
> > On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:10:14AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> > > Because I would seek one that mandates listmasters banning Sven Luther
> > > >from all lists, and DAMs expe
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 12:18:33PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote:
> On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:10:14AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> > Because I would seek one that mandates listmasters banning Sven Luther
> > >from all lists, and DAMs expelling for ban-evasion. I realise that
> > there is a way for it to c
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:03:48AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> Holger Levsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thursday 10 May 2007 10:15, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> > > The expulsion procedure doesn't call for a vote, so your 70:7 statistic
> > > is irrelevant.
> >
> > It's also wrong.
>
> So what is th
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 08:00:56PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:50:28AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:41:56AM +0200, Martin Wuertele wrote:
> > > Martin, annoyed by you turning every thread on every debian list into a
> > > svenl-was-treated-s
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:10:14AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> Because I would seek one that mandates listmasters banning Sven Luther
> >from all lists, and DAMs expelling for ban-evasion. I realise that
> there is a way for it to continue after that, but hopefully it wouldn't.
Did you (or somebody el
Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [...] Someone
> in a position of power makes a decision that is often more or less
> arbitrary and people either decide to live with it or leave. Around that
> process, there is inevitably a ton of noise, but it always comes down to
> the same thing in the
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Do you recognize that reinstating Sven's access would not be a resolution,
> since he has a long list of other grievances he likes to air publically, and
> that no resolution to the present problem would be satisfactory to Sven
> other than his reinstatement?
I
Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Why do you believe that a GR would do anything to resolve the endless
> mailing list noise? I don't see any evidence that it would, regardless of
> the outcome.
Because I would seek one that mandates listmasters banning Sven Luther
from all lists, and DAM
Holger Levsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thursday 10 May 2007 10:15, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> > The expulsion procedure doesn't call for a vote, so your 70:7 statistic
> > is irrelevant.
>
> It's also wrong.
So what is the count that DAMs received? I mean, if one says that's wrong,
then one
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:50:28AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:41:56AM +0200, Martin Wuertele wrote:
> > Martin, annoyed by you turning every thread on every debian list into a
> > svenl-was-treated-so-bad-one
>
> Oh, so i suppose from the above that debian has had only
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:41:56AM +0200, Martin Wuertele wrote:
> Hi Sven!
>
> * Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-05-11 10:38]:
>
> > Possibly, but can you point out the little problem here ? I guess we
> > have two problems :
> >
> > - the original problem between frans and me.
> >
> >
Hi Sven!
* Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-05-11 10:38]:
> Possibly, but can you point out the little problem here ? I guess we
> have two problems :
>
> - the original problem between frans and me.
>
> - the 'email flood' problem.
Currently I only see one problem: you.
Martin, anno
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:18:51AM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
> Sven,
>
> Are you member or associated with GNAA ? Because you are acting and
> trolling like you were.
So if so, i suppose this post proves your own GNAA membership, no ? Or
did you have something positive to contribute to this topic
Sven,
Are you member or associated with GNAA ? Because you are acting and
trolling like you were.
Mike
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On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 10:29:24AM +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
> * Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070511 07:47]:
> > Sometimes, a problem needs to magnified to the extreme, so that people
> > finally feel embarassed that they where unable to solve it years ago.
>
> If you magnify the wrong pa
* Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070511 07:47]:
> Sometimes, a problem needs to magnified to the extreme, so that people
> finally feel embarassed that they where unable to solve it years ago.
If you magnify the wrong part, you might magnify a little problem that
would be no problem at all witho
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 09:18:00PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
> On Thursday 10 May 2007, Sven Luther wrote:
> > The procedure calls for the number of supporters being reached in 15
> > days between the original call or the procedure to be dismissed. The
> > original expulsion procedure started by Anth
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 03:20:31PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote:
>
> [Sven Luther]
> > So, you are wrong, this is not about me, it is about debian, about its
> > fundamental unability to handle social conflicts, about some DDs who
> > sadly have achieved a situation of power, knowing no other way
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 01:06:09PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 15:47 +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > The DAMs, who did not follow their own procedure [...]
> >
> > I contacted Sven Luther directly with an offer to start a GR to re
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 12:05:04PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 03:47:55PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > The DAMs, who did not follow their own procedure [...]
>
> > I contacted Sven Luther directly with an offer to start a GR to re
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 12:32:26PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> I think it's worth one more response to say that I simply do not agree
> that this problem is somehow horribly embarassing, unexpected, or a sign
> of a fundamental deficiency in the Debian project. There are other things
> that *are*
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 09:49:53AM +1000, Brian May wrote:
> > "Sven" == Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Sven> This committee would then investigate the issue, try to
> Sven> talk with all parties involved, and get them to forget their
> Sven> old grudges, and come to
> "Sven" == Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Sven> This committee would then investigate the issue, try to
Sven> talk with all parties involved, and get them to forget their
Sven> old grudges, and come to an agreement on how this could go
Sven> forward without punishin
[Sven Luther]
> So, you are wrong, this is not about me, it is about debian, about its
> fundamental unability to handle social conflicts, about some DDs who
> sadly have achieved a situation of power, knowing no other way to handle
> critics without hurting the other side as much as they can.
If
On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 15:47 +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The DAMs, who did not follow their own procedure [...]
>
> I contacted Sven Luther directly with an offer to start a GR to rescind
> the decision and optionally do some other stuff. I've seen no reply.
>
[cc and reply-to/m-f-t [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 10 May 2007 12:32:26 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> There are other things
> that *are* signs of fundamental deficiencies in the project,
Would you mind to elaborate on this point, I'm really interested in
your opinion.
Cheers,
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I think it's worth one more response to say that I simply do not agree
that this problem is somehow horribly embarassing, unexpected, or a sign
of a fundamental deficiency in the Debian project. There are other things
that *are* signs of fundamental deficiencies in the project, but I don't
think t
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 12:08:08PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > What do you believe is causing the noise in question ?
>
> Every time any topic comes up which comes anywhere near anything related
> to your experiences, you bring up your experiences in
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 03:47:55PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The DAMs, who did not follow their own procedure [...]
> I contacted Sven Luther directly with an offer to start a GR to rescind
> the decision and optionally do some other stuff. I've seen no rep
On Thursday 10 May 2007, Sven Luther wrote:
> The procedure calls for the number of supporters being reached in 15
> days between the original call or the procedure to be dismissed. The
> original expulsion procedure started by Anthony Towns, was done on
> January 2 or so, and should have been dism
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> What do you believe is causing the noise in question ?
Every time any topic comes up which comes anywhere near anything related
to your experiences, you bring up your experiences in that thread. After
that, various people (usually different each time) re
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 09:33:13AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > I contacted Sven Luther directly with an offer to start a GR to rescind
> > the decision and optionally do some other stuff. I've seen no reply.
>
> > The offer stands and now the problem res
On Thu, 2007-05-10 at 03:01 -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote:
> [Sven Luther]
> > So, you too, believe that what was done to me was acceptable, that
> > everything is justifiable
>
> Stop it, Sven, stop it. This thread is about Sam Hocevar and GNAA. It
> is not about Sven Luther. We have had lots o
MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I contacted Sven Luther directly with an offer to start a GR to rescind
> the decision and optionally do some other stuff. I've seen no reply.
> The offer stands and now the problem resurfaces, I will do something
> to resolve this one way or the other instea
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 03:47:55PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The DAMs, who did not follow their own procedure [...]
>
> I contacted Sven Luther directly with an offer to start a GR to rescind
> the decision and optionally do some other stuff. I've seen no r
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The DAMs, who did not follow their own procedure [...]
I contacted Sven Luther directly with an offer to start a GR to rescind
the decision and optionally do some other stuff. I've seen no reply.
The offer stands and now the problem resurfaces, I will do
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 12:02:06PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 11:06:04AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Thursday 10 May 2007 10:15, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> > > The expulsion procedure doesn't call for a vote, so your 70:7 statistic
> > > is irrelevant.
> >
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 11:06:04AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thursday 10 May 2007 10:15, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> > The expulsion procedure doesn't call for a vote, so your 70:7 statistic
> > is irrelevant.
>
> It's also wrong.
>
> The evidence: people hardly reply to the claims an
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 06:15:37PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 06:32:41PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 11:45:03PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> > > On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 08:21:15AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > > Well, i got suspended for a y
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 03:01:40AM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote:
>
> [Sven Luther]
> > So, you too, believe that what was done to me was acceptable, that
> > everything is justifiable
>
> Stop it, Sven, stop it. This thread is about Sam Hocevar and GNAA. It
> is not about Sven Luther. We have
Le Thu, May 10, 2007 at 11:06:04AM +0200, Holger Levsen a écrit :
> today I (once again) read a reply by a user who believed Svens lies and
> wondered whats wrong with Debian.
Hi Holger,
Are you talking about the fact that users sometimes read offers of
hardware on port mailing lists, and are cl
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 11:06:04AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thursday 10 May 2007 10:15, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> > The expulsion procedure doesn't call for a vote, so your 70:7 statistic
> > is irrelevant.
>
> It's also wrong.
>
> The evidence: people hardly reply to the claims an
Hi,
On Thursday 10 May 2007 10:15, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> The expulsion procedure doesn't call for a vote, so your 70:7 statistic
> is irrelevant.
It's also wrong.
The evidence: people hardly reply to the claims anymore, and even less (almost
no one by now) reply in support.
FWIW, I agree wit
Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Luther. Can you please let us have just _one_ thread that is about
> something else? If that's not too much to ask.
No, he can't, he just brought that up *AGAIN* on debian-powerpc.
JB.
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On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 06:32:41PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 11:45:03PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> > On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 08:21:15AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > Well, i got suspended for a year, because i dared present myself as DPL,
> > No, that's simply not tr
[Sven Luther]
> So, you too, believe that what was done to me was acceptable, that
> everything is justifiable
Stop it, Sven, stop it. This thread is about Sam Hocevar and GNAA. It
is not about Sven Luther. We have had lots of other threads about Sven
Luther. Can you please let us have just _
Sven Luther wrote:
> The DAMs, who did not follow their own procedure, who did refuse to
> provide the dates of the expulsion requests, because they knew well
> enough that it would show the irregularities of the procedure, who
> ignored the 70:7 expressed opinion of the DDs against the expulsion.
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 11:23:21PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 08:21 +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 02:01:52AM +0200, Rob Burgers wrote:
> > > you know all this flamin is starting to make you guys look like
> > > childeren..
> > > yer profesionals act
On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 08:21 +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 02:01:52AM +0200, Rob Burgers wrote:
> > you know all this flamin is starting to make you guys look like childeren..
> > yer profesionals act like it otherwise debian will lose its user base.
>
> Well, i got suspended
On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 02:01 +0200, Rob Burgers wrote:
> you know all this flamin
There's a difference between an argument and flaming.
> is starting to make you guys look like childeren..
I see you're trying to fit in by writing like a child. (See, *that's* a
flame.)
> yer profesionals act lik
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 11:45:03PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 08:21:15AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 02:01:52AM +0200, Rob Burgers wrote:
> > > you know all this flamin is starting to make you guys look like
> > > childeren..
> > > yer profesio
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 08:21:15AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 02:01:52AM +0200, Rob Burgers wrote:
> > you know all this flamin is starting to make you guys look like childeren..
> > yer profesionals act like it otherwise debian will lose its user base.
>
> Well, i got sus
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 02:01:52AM +0200, Rob Burgers wrote:
> you know all this flamin is starting to make you guys look like childeren..
> yer profesionals act like it otherwise debian will lose its user base.
Well, i got suspended for a year, because i dared present myself as DPL,
and some felt
you know all this flamin is starting to make you guys look like childeren..
yer profesionals act like it otherwise debian will lose its user base.
my 0.2 cents.
2007/4/29, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
On Sun, Apr 29, 2007 at 05:41:03AM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> Sam Hocevar <[EMAIL P
On Sun, Apr 29, 2007 at 01:16:16PM +0200, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote:
> Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > But, this insistence, which comes after the expulsion procedure against
> > me which was restarted the day after i announced my DPL candidacy, while
> > i was being utterly silent o
Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> But, this insistence, which comes after the expulsion procedure against
> me which was restarted the day after i announced my DPL candidacy, while
> i was being utterly silent on the Debian mailing list, gives me a very
> very bad feeling.
Sven, fuck off.
On Sun, Apr 29, 2007 at 05:41:03AM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> Sam Hocevar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I DID NOT CREATE THIS WEBSITE AND I AM NOT A MEMBER OF THIS ORGANISATION.
>
> While I appreciate that "member" is almost certainly something without
> any especially well defined mea
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