On Sun, Nov 19, 2023 at 11:21:47PM +, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> Second version, taking into account feedback. Looking for seconds at
> this point:
>
> - GENERAL RESOLUTION STARTS -
>
> Debian Public Statement about the EU Cyber Resilience Act and the
> Product Liability Direc
Seconded.
Luca Boccassi writes:
> Second version, taking into account feedback. Looking for seconds at
> this point:
> - GENERAL RESOLUTION STARTS -
> Debian Public Statement about the EU Cyber Resilience Act and the
> Product Liability Directive
> The European Union i
On Sun, Nov 19, 2023 at 11:21:47PM +, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> Second version, taking into account feedback. Looking for seconds at
> this point:
So I'm still only counting 4 seconds at this point.
Kurt
On Thu, Nov 23, 2023 at 10:30:01AM +, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 at 20:35, Bart Martens wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 06:46:06PM +, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> > > On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 at 09:28, Bart Martens wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 09:14:05AM +010
On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 at 20:35, Bart Martens wrote:
>
> On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 06:46:06PM +, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> > On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 at 09:28, Bart Martens wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 09:14:05AM +0100, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> > > > I feel like we're getting trapped by big c
On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 06:46:06PM +, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 at 09:28, Bart Martens wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 09:14:05AM +0100, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> > > I feel like we're getting trapped by big corp and their lobbying
> > > power, and we need to use stronger
On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 at 09:28, Bart Martens wrote:
>
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 09:14:05AM +0100, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> > I feel like we're getting trapped by big corp and their lobbying
> > power, and we need to use stronger words.
>
> Probably in a different way. I'd rather prefer Debian to defe
On Sun, 2023-11-19 at 23:21 +, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> Second version, taking into account feedback. Looking for seconds at
> this point:
Elbrus spotted a typo, fixed below - that's the only change, "taking
taking" -> "taking" in the second paragraph
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On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 09:14:05AM +0100, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 11/20/23 00:21, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> > Second version, taking into account feedback. Looking for seconds at
> > this point:
[...]
>
> Thanks a lot for taking the time to word out things this way.
>
> However, I really think th
On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 at 16:46, Salvo Tomaselli wrote:
>
> In data martedì 21 novembre 2023 16:13:32 CET, Luca Boccassi ha scritto:
>
> > Microsoft was not happy with having to unbundle Bing and Edge from
> > Windows.
>
> It is still impossible to uninstall edge...
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2
Santiago Ruano Rincón dijo [Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 01:15:40PM -0300]:
> > > I second adding this version to the vote
> >
> > I'm getting a bad signature on this.
> >
> > > On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 at 00:22, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> > > Second version, taking into account feedback. Looking for seconds at
El 20/11/23 a las 08:53, Kurt Roeckx escribió:
> On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 12:40:58AM +0100, Aigars Mahinovs wrote:
> > I second adding this version to the vote
>
> I'm getting a bad signature on this.
>
> > On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 at 00:22, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> > Second version, taking into account
On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 at 08:14, Thomas Goirand wrote:
>
> On 11/20/23 00:21, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> > Second version, taking into account feedback. Looking for seconds at
> > this point:
> >
> > - GENERAL RESOLUTION STARTS -
> >
> > Debian Public Statement about the EU Cyber Resili
On 11/20/23 00:21, Luca Boccassi wrote:
Second version, taking into account feedback. Looking for seconds at
this point:
- GENERAL RESOLUTION STARTS -
Debian Public Statement about the EU Cyber Resilience Act and the
Product Liability Directive
The European Union is
Seconded
Second version, taking into account feedback. Looking for seconds at
this point:
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Debian Public Statement about the EU Cyber Resilience Act and the
Product Liability Directive
The European Union is currently preparing a regulation
Seconded.
On 20/11/23 at 17:54 +0100, Chris Hofstaedtler wrote:
> I second adding this version.
>
> * Luca Boccassi [231119 23:22]:
> > Second version, taking into account feedback. Looking for seconds at
> > this point:
> >
> > - GENERAL RESOLUTION STARTS -
> >
> > Debian Publ
I second adding this version.
* Luca Boccassi [231119 23:22]:
> Second version, taking into account feedback. Looking for seconds at
> this point:
>
> - GENERAL RESOLUTION STARTS -
>
> Debian Public Statement about the EU Cyber Resilience Act and the
> Product Liability Dire
Hi,
On 11/20/23 08:21, Luca Boccassi wrote:
Therefore, the Debian project asks the legislators to enhance the
text of these regulations to clarify beyond any reasonable doubt that
Free and Open Source Software developers and contributors are not going
to be treated as commer
I'll just attach the signed version, it seems like GMail plain text
mode is still a bit broken.
On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 at 08:53, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
>
> On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 12:40:58AM +0100, Aigars Mahinovs wrote:
> > I second adding this version to the vote
>
> I'm getting a bad signature on thi
> > Second version, taking into account feedback. Looking for seconds
> at
> > this point:
>
> Maybe Santiago wants to adopt this text, rather than having 2
> options?
Already attempted that last week:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2023/11/msg00051.html
Unfortunately time available is li
On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 12:40:58AM +0100, Aigars Mahinovs wrote:
> I second adding this version to the vote
I'm getting a bad signature on this.
> On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 at 00:22, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> Second version, taking into account feedback. Looking for seconds at
> this point:
Maybe Santia
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA256
I second adding this version to the vote
On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 at 00:22, Luca Boccassi wrote:
Second version, taking into account feedback. Looking for seconds at
this point:
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Debian Public Statement abo
On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 at 00:21, Sam Hartman wrote:
>
> > "Bart" == Bart Martens writes:
> >>
> >> * A commercial company writes free-software that for all
> >> practical purposes can be used only for access to their
> >> proprietary web service. I'd rather not allow arguments a
Second version, taking into account feedback. Looking for seconds at
this point:
- GENERAL RESOLUTION STARTS -
Debian Public Statement about the EU Cyber Resilience Act and the
Product Liability Directive
The European Union is currently preparing a regulation "on horizont
> "Bart" == Bart Martens writes:
>>
>> * A commercial company writes free-software that for all
>> practical purposes can be used only for access to their
>> proprietary web service. I'd rather not allow arguments about
>> whether a flaw is on the web service side or the
On Sat, Nov 18, 2023 at 11:43:27AM -0700, Sam Hartman wrote:
> > "Bart" == Bart Martens writes:
>
> Bart> On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 02:52:31PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> >> I wonder if we should have something like "Free software
> >> development by nonprofit organizations" some
Hi,
Sorry I did not note that I did not sign this message. I second this:
> On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 12:10:21PM -0300, Santiago Ruano Rincón wrote:
> > Dear Debian Fellows,
> >
> > Following the email sent by Ilu to debian-project (Message-ID:
> > <4b93ed08-f148-4c7f-b172-f967f7de7...@gmx.net>), a
> "Bart" == Bart Martens writes:
Bart> On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 02:52:31PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
>> I wonder if we should have something like "Free software
>> development by nonprofit organizations" somewhere.
Bart> Are we now drawing a line between profit and nonprofi
On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 03:57:44PM +0100, Aigars Mahinovs wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 15:51, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer <
> perezme...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 11:50, Aigars Mahinovs wrote:
> > > Whether accepting donations *in general* makes your activity in
>
On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 02:52:31PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> I wonder if we should have something like "Free software development by
> nonprofit organizations" somewhere.
Are we now drawing a line between profit and nonprofit? In my view, with Free
Software it should not matter who produces,
I mixed up one of the links: The first link under (1) should be
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/legislative-train/theme-a-europe-fit-for-the-digital-age/file-european-cyber-resilience-act
All that talk about cybersecurity at the EU these days got me confused. :-)
I think somebody already noticed a
On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 at 02:54, Simon Richter wrote:
[snip]
> That would also be a consistent position: "as long as the source code is
> public under a DFSG-compliant license, the open source exemption should
> apply even to works produced for commercial gain."
>
> However, I do not think the EU wan
Hi,
On 11/15/23 20:27, Aigars Mahinovs wrote:
That is exactly why I think this is dangerous: I want GitLab and
Proxmox
to be responsible for what they release, but it is very difficult to
draw a line between their offering and what Microsoft is doing by
paying
for system
On 15/11/23 at 14:13 +, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 at 13:53, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> >
> > On 15/11/23 at 11:38 +, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> > > On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 at 06:23, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On 15/11/23 at 00:49 +, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> > > > > What
On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 at 13:53, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
>
> On 15/11/23 at 11:38 +, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> > On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 at 06:23, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> > >
> > > On 15/11/23 at 00:49 +, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> > > > What do you think? Here's what I came up with:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> >
On 15/11/23 at 11:38 +, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 at 06:23, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> >
> > On 15/11/23 at 00:49 +, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> > > What do you think? Here's what I came up with:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > FWIW, I would likely second something along those lines. Some com
On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 at 12:59, Santiago Ruano Rincón
wrote:
>
> El 15/11/23 a las 00:49, Luca Boccassi escribió:
> > On Sun, 2023-11-12 at 12:10 -0300, Santiago Ruano Rincón wrote:
> > > Dear Debian Fellows,
> > >
> > > Following the email sent by Ilu to debian-project (Message-ID:
> > > <4b93ed08-
El 15/11/23 a las 00:49, Luca Boccassi escribió:
> On Sun, 2023-11-12 at 12:10 -0300, Santiago Ruano Rincón wrote:
> > Dear Debian Fellows,
> >
> > Following the email sent by Ilu to debian-project (Message-ID:
> > <4b93ed08-f148-4c7f-b172-f967f7de7...@gmx.net>), and as we have
> > discussed durin
On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 at 06:23, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
>
> On 15/11/23 at 00:49 +, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> > What do you think? Here's what I came up with:
>
> Hi,
>
> FWIW, I would likely second something along those lines. Some comments:
>
> > The Debian project however notes that not enough
On Wed, 15 Nov 2023 at 12:14, Simon Richter wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 11/15/23 15:22, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
>
> >> The Debian project however notes that not enough emphasis has been
> >> employed in all parts of these regulations to clearly exonerate
> Free
> >> and Open Source Software
Hi,
On 11/15/23 15:22, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
The Debian project however notes that not enough emphasis has been
employed in all parts of these regulations to clearly exonerate Free
and Open Source Software Projects from being subject to the same
liabilities as commercial pro
On 15/11/23 at 00:49 +, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> What do you think? Here's what I came up with:
Hi,
FWIW, I would likely second something along those lines. Some comments:
> The Debian project however notes that not enough emphasis has been
> employed in all parts of these regulations
On Sun, 2023-11-12 at 12:10 -0300, Santiago Ruano Rincón wrote:
> Dear Debian Fellows,
>
> Following the email sent by Ilu to debian-project (Message-ID:
> <4b93ed08-f148-4c7f-b172-f967f7de7...@gmx.net>), and as we have
> discussed during the MiniDebConf UY 2023 with other Debian Members, I
> woul
On 11/14/23 02:17, Philip Hands wrote:
Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer writes:
...
Just to be clear: I also do agree with the main intention of the
proposal, what I do not like is that the current draft wording might
backfire on us.
I'd expect the multinationals, who have large legal team
Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer writes:
...
> Just to be clear: I also do agree with the main intention of the
> proposal, what I do not like is that the current draft wording might
> backfire on us.
I'd expect the multinationals, who have large legal teams, and are used
to interacting with t
Please Cc me in replies.
On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 12:10:21PM -0300, Santiago Ruano Rincón wrote:
> Following the email sent by Ilu to debian-project (Message-ID:
> <4b93ed08-f148-4c7f-b172-f967f7de7...@gmx.net>), and as we have
> discussed during the MiniDebConf UY 2023 with other Debian Members, I
Marten from NLlabs made a comprehensive flowchart
(https://github.com/maertsen/cra-foss-diagram) that shows the state of
CRA as we presently (a bit of hope included) understand it. It includes
the 4th proposal. Check it out to see where your project possibly might
stand if we are able to hold this
Thanks for the detailed explanation! It had quite a few details that I was
not aware about. Expressing the desired position of Debian and of the
community *is* useful, especially when there are multiple variants of the
legislation that need reconciliation. I was looking at the specific version
that
The discussion on this list hasn't even touched the subject of Art. 11
CRA which is the most worrysome.
Am 13.11.23 um 14:46 schrieb Aigars Mahinovs:
"See:
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/10/eff-and-other-experts-join-pointing-out-pitfalls-proposed-eu-cyber-resilience-act
Note how the open sou
At the moment - as the official proposals are worded now - everything
depends on the meaning of the word "commercial". Please note that the
proposals have some examples on this as I mentioned before - but each
proposal is worded differently.
The software is deemed commercial if
- the developer is
On November 13, 2023 12:29:20 PM UTC, "Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer"
wrote:
>On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 07:55, Aigars Mahinovs wrote:
>[snip]
>> Even regardless of the specific legal wording in the legislation itself, the
>> point 10
>> of the preamble would be enough to to fix any "bug"
Hi!
I have been part of the Mini Debconf 2023 in Uruguay and I second this.
On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 12:10:21PM -0300, Santiago Ruano Rincón wrote:
> Dear Debian Fellows,
>
> Following the email sent by Ilu to debian-project (Message-ID:
> <4b93ed08-f148-4c7f-b172-f967f7de7...@gmx.net>), and as we
Aigars Mahinovs dijo [Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 02:46:06PM +0100]:
> By now the EU is actually quite used to dealing with volunteer
> projects and open source projects in general. So they would not be
> surprised in the slightest. And I do not believe it would tarnish
> the image of Debian.
>
> A lot o
On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 15:51, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer <
perezme...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 11:50, Aigars Mahinovs wrote:
> > Whether accepting donations *in general* makes your activity in
> providing software a "commercial activity" in the context of
> > this direc
On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 11:50, Aigars Mahinovs wrote:
>
> You are mixing up completely unrelated things. Commercial entities and
> software coming from it have nothing to do with commercial activity.
>
> The commercial activity is what *you* are doing with the software. It is
> completely irrelev
On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 10:37, Holger Levsen wrote:
>
> On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 02:19:38PM +0100, Aigars Mahinovs wrote:
> > Correct. And I agree with that effect:
>
> same here.
>
> > The *one* negative impact I can see of this legislation is impact on small
> > integrators that were used to being
You are mixing up completely unrelated things. Commercial entities and
software coming from it have nothing to do with commercial activity.
The commercial activity is what *you* are doing with the software. It is
completely irrelevant where you got it from or if you wrote it.
If you are doing com
On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 09:54, Aigars Mahinovs wrote:
>
> On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 13:29, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 07:55, Aigars Mahinovs wrote:
>> [snip]
>> > Even regardless of the specific legal wording in the legislation itself,
>> > the point
On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 12:31, Luca Boccassi wrote:
>
> > I am *not* objecting to Debian taking such a vote and expressing the
> stance intended. However, I expect that it will be seen by the EU
> legislators with mifled amusement, because in their context and
> understanding the legislative propo
On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 02:19:38PM +0100, Aigars Mahinovs wrote:
> Correct. And I agree with that effect:
same here.
> The *one* negative impact I can see of this legislation is impact on small
> integrators that were used to being able to go to a
> client company, install a bunch of Ubuntu Desk
Correct. And I agree with that effect:
* a company paying salary of a developer that contributes to an open source
project outside of the commercial activity of the company does *not* expose
the company to extra requirements
* a company taking *any* software, including open source software, and
se
On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 12:57, Aigars Mahinovs wrote:
>
> True, the employment status is irrelevant. However, in this example Microsoft
> will actually have the liability of
> providing the security assurances and support for systemd and related
> systems, because they are providing
> images of s
True, the employment status is irrelevant. However, in this example
Microsoft will actually have the liability of
providing the security assurances and support for systemd and related
systems, because they are providing
images of such systems as part of their commercial offering on the Azure
cloud
On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 13:29, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer <
perezme...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 07:55, Aigars Mahinovs wrote:
> [snip]
> > Even regardless of the specific legal wording in the legislation itself,
> the point 10
> > of the preamble would be enough to to fi
On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 07:55, Aigars Mahinovs wrote:
[snip]
> Even regardless of the specific legal wording in the legislation itself, the
> point 10
> of the preamble would be enough to to fix any "bug" in the legislation in
> post-processing via courts. As in - if any interpretation of the word
On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 12:20, Simon Richter wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On 13.11.23 19:54, Aigars Mahinovs wrote:
>
> > So a commercial company releasing open source
> > software that is *not* part of their commercial activity (for example a
> > router manufacturer releasing an in-house written Git UI) wou
Hi,
On 13.11.23 19:54, Aigars Mahinovs wrote:
So a commercial company releasing open source
software that is *not* part of their commercial activity (for example a
router manufacturer releasing an in-house written Git UI) would be
"supplied outside the course of a commercial activity" and thu
On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 10:55, Aigars Mahinovs wrote:
>
> Let me pipe in here. I have been exposed quite a bit with EU legislation in
> the process of our fight against software patents back in 2012. The EU
> legislators are quite sensible when the underlying issues are clearly
> explained to th
Let me pipe in here. I have been exposed quite a bit with EU legislation in
the process of our fight against software patents back in 2012. The EU
legislators are quite sensible when the underlying issues are clearly
explained to them, bu the legal language of the documents can be quite
dense and a
Santiago Ruano Rincón wrote on 12/11/2023 at
16:10:21+0100:
> Dear Debian Fellows,
>
> Following the email sent by Ilu to debian-project (Message-ID:
> <4b93ed08-f148-4c7f-b172-f967f7de7...@gmx.net>), and as we have
> discussed during the MiniDebConf UY 2023 with other Debian Members, I
> would l
Hi,
On 11/13/23 02:47, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer wrote:
Similarly, where the
main contributors to free and open-source projects are developers
employed by commercial entities and when such developers or the employer
can exercise control as to which modifications are accepted in the co
On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 01:03:38PM -0600, Simon Quigley wrote:
> Just for good measure, seconded.
This is the 5th second.
Kurt
Just for good measure, seconded.
If this does go through, I am curious about the wider impact this has on the
free software and open source community, outside the EU. As a United States
citizen, I fear fragmentation in software availability and licenses that could
potentially "wall off" the EU
"Art. 3
(1) ‘product with digital elements’ means any software or hardware
product ...
(18) ‘manufacturer’ means any natural or legal person who develops or
manufactures products with digital elements ... and markets them under
his or her name or trademark, whether for payment or free of charge;
(
On Sun, 12 Nov 2023 at 18:11, Ilulu wrote:
> Am 12.11.23 um 19:01 schrieb Luca Boccassi:
> > Yes - if it's "made available on the market", which is in the first
> > bit that was snipped. Pushing a repository on Gitlab is not "making
> > available on the market".
>
> You are wrong. It is. That's wh
Am 12.11.23 um 19:01 schrieb Luca Boccassi:
Yes - if it's "made available on the market", which is in the first
bit that was snipped. Pushing a repository on Gitlab is not "making
available on the market".
You are wrong. It is. That's why the proposal has:
"(10d) The sole act of hosting fre
On Sun, 12 Nov 2023 at 17:47, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Sun, 12 Nov 2023 at 14:35, Ilulu wrote:
> >
> [snip]
> > (10a) For example, a fully decentralised development model, where no
> > single commercial entity exercises control over what is accepted into
> > the p
On Sun, 12 Nov 2023 at 17:35, Ilulu wrote:
>
> Am 12.11.23 um 18:09 schrieb Luca Boccassi:
> > We do know whether something is commercial or not though ...
>
> I sincerely doubt that. Just to illustrate this I'm citing a part (only
> a part) of one of the regulation drafts which are presently con
Hi,
On Sun, 12 Nov 2023 at 14:35, Ilulu wrote:
>
[snip]
> (10a) For example, a fully decentralised development model, where no
> single commercial entity exercises control over what is accepted into
> the project’s code base, should be taken as an indication that the
> product has been developed
Am 12.11.23 um 18:38 schrieb Luca Boccassi:
Which definitions does the proposal use? Could you please quote them?
The first two links do not provide any, as far as I can see. The third
link (a blog post, not a piece of legislation) explicitly says: "the
Cyber Resilience Act does not define com
On Sun, 12 Nov 2023 at 17:29, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> On November 12, 2023 5:09:26 PM UTC, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> >On Sun, 12 Nov 2023 at 15:10, Santiago Ruano Rincón
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear Debian Fellows,
> >>
> >> Following the email sent by Ilu to debian-project (Message-ID:
> >> <4b93ed08
Am 12.11.23 um 18:09 schrieb Luca Boccassi:
> We do know whether something is commercial or not though ...
I sincerely doubt that. Just to illustrate this I'm citing a part (only
a part) of one of the regulation drafts which are presently considered
in trilogue.
"(10) Only free and open-source m
On November 12, 2023 5:09:26 PM UTC, Luca Boccassi wrote:
>On Sun, 12 Nov 2023 at 15:10, Santiago Ruano Rincón
> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Debian Fellows,
>>
>> Following the email sent by Ilu to debian-project (Message-ID:
>> <4b93ed08-f148-4c7f-b172-f967f7de7...@gmx.net>), and as we have
>> discussed
On Sun, 12 Nov 2023 at 15:10, Santiago Ruano Rincón
wrote:
>
> Dear Debian Fellows,
>
> Following the email sent by Ilu to debian-project (Message-ID:
> <4b93ed08-f148-4c7f-b172-f967f7de7...@gmx.net>), and as we have
> discussed during the MiniDebConf UY 2023 with other Debian Members, I
> would l
Hi,
Thanks for pushing this forward. Seconded.
Cheers,
Nicolas
On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 12:10:21PM -0300, Santiago Ruano Rincón wrote:
> Dear Debian Fellows,
>
> Following the email sent by Ilu to debian-project (Message-ID:
> <4b93ed08-f148-4c7f-b172-f967f7de7...@gmx.net>), and as we have
> dis
I have also been part of the discussion on the Mini DebConf and I second
this.
On 12/11/23 12:10, Santiago Ruano Rincón wrote:
Dear Debian Fellows,
Following the email sent by Ilu to debian-project (Message-ID:
<4b93ed08-f148-4c7f-b172-f967f7de7...@gmx.net>), and as we have
discussed during th
On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 12:10:21PM -0300, Santiago Ruano Rincón wrote:
> I
> would like to call for a vote about issuing a Debian public statement
> regarding
> the EU Cyber Resilience Act (CRA) and the Product Liability Directive
> (PLD).
I also second this vote, reporter verbatim hereafter.
>
We discussed the text quoted below (that is, the full text that
Santiago just sent), and I find its wide discussion and, at least,
understanding of utmost importance to the free software community as a
whole.
I wholeheartedly second the call for votes with this text.
Santiago Ruano Rincón dijo [S
Dear Debian Fellows,
Following the email sent by Ilu to debian-project (Message-ID:
<4b93ed08-f148-4c7f-b172-f967f7de7...@gmx.net>), and as we have
discussed during the MiniDebConf UY 2023 with other Debian Members, I
would like to call for a vote about issuing a Debian public statement regarding
As a reminder, we're past the minimum discussion period.
At this point, anyone who has proposed or seconded something on the
ballot can call for a vote.
The secretary may add delay for example so votes start on the weekened.
My general opinion is that someone should call for a vote at this point,
On 16/12/14 at 21:35 -0400, David Prévot wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Le 16/12/2014 16:02, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
> > - 'Option 2' chooses to subtract the number of resignations/removals
> > from the required number of expiries, which could result in some TC
> > members exceeding the term limit, in
Hi,
Le 16/12/2014 16:02, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
> - 'Option 2' chooses to subtract the number of resignations/removals
> from the required number of expiries, which could result in some TC
> members exceeding the term limit, in such events.
Thanks. Do I understand correctly that option
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 09:31:11PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> On 16/12/14 at 21:02 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 06:53:25PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> > > First draft:
> >
> > Looks quite good, but I'm unhappy about minor things.
> > I propose the following m
On 16/12/14 at 21:02 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 06:53:25PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> > First draft:
>
> Looks quite good, but I'm unhappy about minor things.
> I propose the following more balanced (IMO) version:
>
> ---
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 06:53:25PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> First draft:
Looks quite good, but I'm unhappy about minor things.
I propose the following more balanced (IMO) version:
Both proposals aim at creating a regul
On 16/12/14 at 17:21 +, Sam Hartman wrote:
> > "Jakub" == Jakub Wilk writes:
>
> Jakub> * Stefano Zacchiroli , 2014-12-16, 16:55:
> >>> It would also be nice that already suggested what the wording of
> >>> the options should be.
> >>
> >> How about:
> >>
> >
> "Jakub" == Jakub Wilk writes:
Jakub> * Stefano Zacchiroli , 2014-12-16, 16:55:
>>> It would also be nice that already suggested what the wording of
>>> the options should be.
>>
>> How about:
>>
>> 1) replace the two oldest members every year 2) replace the two
* Stefano Zacchiroli , 2014-12-16, 16:55:
It would also be nice that already suggested what the wording of the
options should be.
How about:
1) replace the two oldest members every year
2) replace the two oldest members every year, excluding resignations
To me, it's more confusing that descr
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 10:41:50AM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> It would also be nice that already suggested what the wording of
> the options should be.
How about:
1) replace the two oldest members every year
2) replace the two oldest members every year, excluding resignations
(Suggested by Luca
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 10:41:50AM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
>
> It would also be nice that already suggested what the wording of
> the options should be.
I really can't come up with good wordings on the difference, so
I'm probably going with "option 1" and "option 2".
Kurt
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