Re: Question for all candidates: Release process

2010-03-28 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org wrote: (And to answer to the comment ‘you do not need to be DPL for doing this’, that is true, but if I make a bad score at this election, I will conclude that there are not many persons interested in what I propose anyway,

Re: Question for all candidates: Release process

2010-03-27 Thread Charles Plessy
Hello Bernhard and everybody, I think that the ‘RPM hell’ that you used to comment my propositions is more related to a situation when independant distributions are using the same package format, than when a distribution offers multiple repositories that obey to a policy that keeps the whole

Re: Question for all candidates: Release process

2010-03-27 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org wrote: Regarding my proposal, that is internal to Debian, I do not think that it is impossible. What I propose is a way for package maintainers to signal that their package is peripheral in the Debian system, in an opt-in

Re: Question for all candidates: Release process

2010-03-27 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 03:17:03PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: In my experience, trivial RC bugs on not-so important packages attract volunteers because it is very rewarding to close RC bugs. snip So in my opinion, not all RC bugs are equal, and a better priority system would be useful to

Re: Question for all candidates: Release process

2010-03-27 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 04:13:11PM +0800, Paul Wise a écrit : Does popcon not already provide a way to order packages based on importance? rc-alert has both options for sorting bugs by both local global popcon score. Hi Paul, Popcon is definitely a potent indicator, but has its flaws as

Re: Question to all candidates: How would you enforce Debian Community Guidelines?

2010-03-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Hector, On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 05:55:35PM +0100, Hector Oron wrote: [...] Secondly, I was wondering how Debian could make it easier for people to contribute than other (derivatives and non-derivatives) distributions. I came up with a really nice draft howto[1] When you say I came up

Question to all candidates: DPL's role in important package maintenance

2010-03-27 Thread Kumar Appaiah
Dear Candidates, First of all, I wish you all the very best for the elections! At the outset, this question is not meant to be inflammatory or to express ire at a particular individual or set of individuals involved; I have great respect for the contributions of all involved in the community.

Re: Question to all candidates: How would you enforce Debian Community Guidelines?

2010-03-27 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 06:47:13PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: However, as one of my initial actions as DPL, I do intend to submit a post to debian-devel-announce with a set of guidelines for people to follow when flamewars happen (and when they don't, in order to avoid them). Why is

Re: Question to all candidates: How would you enforce Debian Community Guidelines?

2010-03-27 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 05:26:36PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 06:47:13PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: However, as one of my initial actions as DPL, I do intend to submit a post to debian-devel-announce with a set of guidelines for people to follow when flamewars

Re: Question to all candidates: How would you enforce Debian Community Guidelines?

2010-03-27 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 01:40:44AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 05:26:36PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 06:47:13PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: However, as one of my initial actions as DPL, I do intend to submit a post to

Re: Question to all Candidates: Who would you vote for?

2010-03-25 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 07:19:43PM +, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org writes: So, I apologize, but I'm not going to disclose my leader vote in public. I think the better phrasing for the original question would be: List reasons why the other candidates would

Question to all candidates: How would you enforce Debian Community Guidelines?

2010-03-25 Thread Hector Oron
Hello, First of all congrats to all candidates and thanks for stepping up for doing this task. Secondly, I was wondering how Debian could make it easier for people to contribute than other (derivatives and non-derivatives) distributions. I came up with a really nice draft howto[1] which I

Re: Question to all candidates: How would you enforce Debian Community Guidelines?

2010-03-25 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
Hi Héctor! On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 05:55:35PM +0100, Hector Oron wrote: First of all congrats to all candidates and thanks for stepping up for doing this task. Thanks! :-) I came up with a really nice draft howto[1] which I would like to bring up to your attention, so the basic question

Re: Question to all candidates: How would you enforce Debian Community Guidelines?

2010-03-25 Thread Margarita Manterola
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Hector Oron zu...@debian.org wrote:  Secondly, I was wondering how Debian could make it easier for people to contribute than other (derivatives and non-derivatives) distributions. I came up with a really nice draft howto[1] which I would like to bring up to

Re: Question to all candidates: How would you enforce Debian Community Guidelines?

2010-03-25 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 05:55:35PM +0100, Hector Oron a écrit : Hello, First of all congrats to all candidates and thanks for stepping up for doing this task. Secondly, I was wondering how Debian could make it easier for people to contribute than other (derivatives and

Question to all Candidates: Who would you vote for?

2010-03-24 Thread Alexander Reichle-Schmehl
Hi! The following question is optional, as it discloses private information, so feel free not to answer it. But non the less, I'm curious and would appreciate, if you would be willing to answer. So here it goes: Suppose that you would not run for DPL: Who would you vote and why? Best

Re: Question for all candidates: Release process

2010-03-24 Thread Andreas Barth
* Charles Plessy (ple...@debian.org) [100317 01:52]: I propose that we reshape the sections and priorities of our archive, so that it is easy to remove from Testing any RC bug that is not in a core pakcage, and is old and not tagged RFH. We already do that, provided the RC bug is old enough.

Re: Question to all Candidates: Who would you vote for?

2010-03-24 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 09:09:43AM +0100, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote: The following question is optional, as it discloses private information, so feel free not to answer it. But non the less, I'm curious and would appreciate, if you would be willing to answer. So here it goes:

Re: Question to all Candidates: Who would you vote for?

2010-03-24 Thread Margarita Manterola
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 5:09 AM, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl alexan...@schmehl.info wrote: The following question is optional, as it discloses private information, so feel free not to answer it.  But non the less, I'm curious and would appreciate, if you would be willing to answer.  So here it

Re: Question to all Candidates: Who would you vote for?

2010-03-24 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org writes: So, I apologize, but I'm not going to disclose my leader vote in public. I think the better phrasing for the original question would be: List reasons why the other candidates would make a good DPL. This question does not ask you to divulge your

Re: Question to all Candidates: Who would you vote for?

2010-03-24 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 09:09:43AM +0100, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote: Suppose that you would not run for DPL: Who would you vote and why? I have a habit of publically (on my blog) disclosing my DPL vote, with explanation, and will probably do so again this year (though that is not by any

Re: Question for all candidates: Release process

2010-03-18 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 08:09:19AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit : During the last debconf, the freeze of squeeze was first announced to take place in December, then this decision was cancelled, and now we are in March. - How do you analyze what happened during last summer? What went wrong?

Re: Question for all candidates: Release process

2010-03-17 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org [100317 01:52]: I propose that we reshape the sections and priorities of our archive, so that it is easy to remove from Testing any RC bug that is not in a core pakcage, and is old and not tagged RFH. How is that different from the current procedure? In

Re: Question for all candidates: Release process

2010-03-17 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 09:56:56PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Wouter Verhelst dijo [Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:57:13AM +0100]: In my opinion, the best release we ever had (that I was a part of, at least) was the Etch release process; shortly after Sarge had been released, the release managers

Re: Question for all candidates: Care of Core infrastructure

2010-03-17 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 10:56:58PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Wouter Verhelst dijo [Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 01:45:33AM +0100]: The numbers are easy. The amount of Debian Developers has been approximately steady at about 1000 for the past ten years. Over that same time, the amount of packages in

Re: Question for all candidates: Release process

2010-03-17 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 09:56:56PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Hmm, you got me thinking here on why this happened, as I share your impression. Maybe it was because the project as a whole put more care into the release process after the massive pain it was to release Sarge, a three-year-long pain

Re: Question for all candidates: Care of Core infrastructure

2010-03-17 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 12:01:14PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Nobody can do a sponsored upload, except a DD. Nobody can do an NMU, except a DD. Nobody can maintain a buildd host, except a DD. It was pointed out to me on IRC that yes, there are sponsored NMUs, and that it therefore is

Re: Question for all candidates: Release process

2010-03-17 Thread Margarita Manterola
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 12:56 AM, Gunnar Wolf gw...@gwolf.org wrote: Hmm, you got me thinking here on why this happened, as I share your impression. Maybe it was because the project as a whole put more care into the release process after the massive pain it was to release Sarge, a

Re: Question for all candidates: Release process

2010-03-16 Thread Frans Pop
Reading Wouter's post in this thread just now I realize I made a fairly stupid mistake when writing my mail. Frans Pop wrote: This seems to be what the RT has been focussing on after Sarge. [...] s/Sarge/Etch/ During the Sarge release these two sides were in balance. After that, for Sarge

Re: Question to all Candidates: Project Funds and donations

2010-03-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 10:37:35AM +0700, Paul Wise wrote: On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 5:45 AM, Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org wrote: b) What qualifies a contributor to become a Debian Partner? What    qualifies a Debian Partner? I don't think we have a formal list of Debian Partners

Re: Question for all candidates: Care of Core infrastructure

2010-03-16 Thread Marc Haber
Hi, On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 01:45:33AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Given the above, I believe the most important task ahead of us is making Debian more attractive for users and prospective contributors; that is what I intend to work on. How do you intend to work on this? Greetings Marc --

Re: Question for all candidates: Care of Core infrastructure

2010-03-16 Thread Toni Mueller
On Tue, 16.03.2010 at 01:45:33 +0100, Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org wrote: increasing. By definition, that means the ratio of Debian Developers per package has been doing down, and thus also that the core infrastructure has less contributors. Having more packages does not necessarily mean

Re: Question for all candidates: Care of Core infrastructure

2010-03-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 01:35:51PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: Hi, On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 01:45:33AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Given the above, I believe the most important task ahead of us is making Debian more attractive for users and prospective contributors; that is what I intend

Re: Question for all candidates: Care of Core infrastructure

2010-03-16 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 01:14:18PM +0100, Toni Mueller wrote: the number of DDs has not been going up for quite a while now. If it hasn't declined very much, that'd be a good thing already. FWIW, the total number of DDs is not a particularly good indicator of the work force we have in Debian.

Re: Question for all candidates: Care of Core infrastructure

2010-03-16 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 01:59:39PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 01:14:18PM +0100, Toni Mueller wrote: the number of DDs has not been going up for quite a while now. If it hasn't declined very much, that'd be a good thing already. FWIW, the total number of DDs

Re: Question for all candidates: Release process

2010-03-16 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 02:44:15PM -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit : Releasing is regularly the hardest thing that Debian does, not just technically but also socially. Apart from the standard issues of setting deadlines, RC bug counts being high, and similar difficult technical issues, the

Re: Question for all candidates: Release process

2010-03-16 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Wouter Verhelst dijo [Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:57:13AM +0100]: In my opinion, the best release we ever had (that I was a part of, at least) was the Etch release process; shortly after Sarge had been released, the release managers had started to regularly update the project as a whole on where

Re: Question for all candidates: Care of Core infrastructure

2010-03-16 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Wouter Verhelst dijo [Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 01:45:33AM +0100]: The numbers are easy. The amount of Debian Developers has been approximately steady at about 1000 for the past ten years. Over that same time, the amount of packages in our distribution has been steadily increasing. By definition,

Re: Question to all Candidates: Project Funds and donations

2010-03-15 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Kalle Kivimaa kalle.kivi...@iki.fi writes: I don't think it is too much of a burden for a Debian volunteer to send out quarterly or even monthly emails and then collate the answers. But it might be a burden to the trustee organizations. But the only way to find out is to ask, of course :)

Re: Question to all Candidates: Project Funds and donations

2010-03-15 Thread Aníbal Monsalve Salazar
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 05:36:41AM +, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: The list of organizations I'm aware of having Debian monies is: Associação SoftwareLivre.org (Brazil) Associazione Software Libero (Italy) Debian UK Debian Switzerland Linux-Aktivaattori (Finland) SPI Verein zur Förderung Freier

Re: Question to all Candidates: Project Funds and donations

2010-03-15 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Aníbal Monsalve Salazar ani...@debian.org writes: At [0] AJ wrote that Martin Michlmayr spoke to Linux Australia about it holding money/donations for Debian. So, potentially, LA may/will have Debian money. Thanks, this was news to me - and shows that I should have posted the list already in

Re: Question for all candidates: Release process

2010-03-15 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 14/03/10 at 14:44 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: This is for all candidates. Releasing is regularly the hardest thing that Debian does, not just technically but also socially. Apart from the standard issues of setting deadlines, RC bug counts being high, and similar difficult technical

Question for all candidates: Care of Core infrastructure

2010-03-15 Thread Marc Haber
This is for all candidates. In the last years I have seen a really disturbing development in Debian: New developers are very interested in bringing new packages into Debian, but care for our core infrastructure (dpkg, apt) has a little bit diminished. I am not saying that noone seems to care, but

Re: Question for all candidates: Care of Core infrastructure

2010-03-15 Thread Frans Pop
Marc Haber wrote: In the last years I have seen a really disturbing development in Debian: New developers are very interested in bringing new packages into Debian, but care for our core infrastructure (dpkg, apt) has a little bit diminished. Good question and quite true. IMO it's worth

Re: Question for all candidates: Care of Core infrastructure

2010-03-15 Thread Marc Haber
Hi, On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:52:44PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: IMO it's worth adding to that: - Debian Installer development - Porting: several ports are struggling - Documentation maintenance: - website - Release Notes - various other guides Agreed. Any more additions by others?

Re: Question for all candidates: Care of Core infrastructure

2010-03-15 Thread Alexander Reichle-Schmehl
Hi! Marc Haber schrieb: - Debian Installer development - Porting: several ports are struggling - Documentation maintenance: - website - Release Notes - various other guides Agreed. Any more additions by others? ftp-team and more or less everything PR related. Best regards,

Re: Question for all candidates: Care of Core infrastructure

2010-03-15 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 15 mars 2010 à 12:54 +0100, Marc Haber a écrit : Agreed. Any more additions by others? Core packages: glibc, kernel, X.org, Mozilla, KDE, GNOME… These are the packages everything else is built upon, yet people are more interested in adding yet another implementation of existing

Re: Question to all Candidates: Heated discussions

2010-03-15 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 02:40:32AM +, Dmitrijs Ledkovs a écrit : Hello =) Hello again :) Sometimes technical Debian discussions (mailing lists, bug reports, blog posts, etc.) become personal flame-wars. Do you think current frequency/amount of heated discussions is acceptable for the

Re: Question for all candidates: Care of Core infrastructure

2010-03-15 Thread Margarita Manterola
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 7:30 AM, Marc Haber mh+debian-v...@zugschlus.de wrote: Do you see the diminishing care for our Core infrastructure as a problem? Do you have any idea how do sensibilize our new blood for the fact that new packages doesn't help Debian if our Core stuff is diminishing? I

Re: Question for all candidates: Release process

2010-03-15 Thread Frans Pop
Margarita Manterola wrote: I think that most of the frustration comes from the fact that the release team is lacking manpower. The job of the release team is very stressful and very rarely do the RM and RA feel that their work is appreciated. I disagree. I think the main problem is that

Re: Question for all candidates: Release process

2010-03-15 Thread Margarita Manterola
Hi Frans, Let me first start by stating that I'm sadly concerned about the tone of your mail. Nobody claims that the release process has been done perfectly, there have been mistakes, but we are all human and we can all make mistakes. It's alright to point those mistakes out so that people can

Re: Question for all candidates: Care of Core infrastructure

2010-03-15 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:30:39AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: Do you see the diminishing care for our Core infrastructure as a problem? Do you have any idea how do sensibilize our new blood for the fact that new packages doesn't help Debian if our Core stuff is diminishing? I know that this is

Re: Question for all candidates: Care of Core infrastructure

2010-03-15 Thread Joey Hess
Marc Haber wrote: - dpkg still uses normal console prompting for dpkg-conffile handling, while debconf has been mandatory for regular packages for years now. Dpkg has more active development now than it has for much of the past fifteen years. And they've even talked some about

Re: Question for all candidates: Release process

2010-03-15 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 02:44:15PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Releasing is regularly the hardest thing that Debian does, not just technically but also socially. To some extent, I believe it is normal. Releases are our main products, they define our purpose. The people which are putting their

Re: Question to all Candidates: Project Funds and donations

2010-03-15 Thread Martin Zobel-Helas
Hi, On Sun Mar 14, 2010 at 22:10:30 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: - it is not easy enough accessible to DDs (I know, it is enough to become a SPI member and subscribe to the list, but I still believe it should be _easier_, e.g. a directory somewhere with archived .txt files

Re: Question for all candidates: squeeze freeze [ Was: Release process ]

2010-03-15 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
[ Please: can people that follow-up with different questions change the subject accordingly? I believe it would make easier to read the question archive afterwords. ] On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 08:09:19AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: During the last debconf, the freeze of squeeze was first

Re: Question to all Candidates: Project Funds and donations

2010-03-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 12:02:59AM +0100, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: Hi, this question goes to all candidates: The Debian Project receives quite a number of monetary donations as well as contributions in kind via several umbrella organization like SPI, ffis, debian.ch, etc. a) What do

Re: Question for all candidates: Care of Core infrastructure

2010-03-15 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 03:45:46PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Marc Haber wrote: - The concept of all services are immediately started after configuration and deleting all stop/start links will cause the package's defaults to be re-established on the next package update is

Re: Question for all candidates: Care of Core infrastructure

2010-03-15 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Marc Haber mh+debian-v...@zugschlus.de (15/03/2010): Maybe we failed to provide such a two-liner, which in fact is, unfortunately, much more complicated than one might think naively. Additionally, example code for policy-rc.d is (almost?) nonexistent. Maybe running reportbug would be more

Re: Question for all candidates: Care of Core infrastructure

2010-03-15 Thread Marc Haber
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:04:57AM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Marc Haber mh+debian-v...@zugschlus.de (15/03/2010): Maybe we failed to provide such a two-liner, which in fact is, unfortunately, much more complicated than one might think naively. Additionally, example code for policy-rc.d

Re: Question to all Candidates: Project Funds and donations

2010-03-15 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:13:02PM +0100, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: SPI's Treasurer, Michael Schultheiss, (and by the way Debian Developer) does a really good job by sending out monthly Treasurer's Reports which are in every monthly meeting minutes linked from

Re: Question to all candidates: financing of development

2010-03-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Raphael, On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 08:18:00AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Hello, this is a question to all DPL candidates. Imagine a DD contacts you, she wants to setup an infrastructure to finance Debian related projects (i.e. paying people to enable them to work on the projects

Re: Question to all Candidates: Heated discussions

2010-03-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 02:40:32AM +, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: Hello =) Sometimes technical Debian discussions (mailing lists, bug reports, blog posts, etc.) become personal flame-wars. Indeed. Do you think current frequency/amount of heated discussions is acceptable for the Debian

Re: Question for all candidates: Care of Core infrastructure

2010-03-15 Thread Mike Hommey
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:04:57AM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Marc Haber mh+debian-v...@zugschlus.de (15/03/2010): Maybe we failed to provide such a two-liner, which in fact is, unfortunately, much more complicated than one might think naively. Additionally, example code for policy-rc.d

Re: Question for all candidates: Release process

2010-03-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 02:44:15PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: This is for all candidates. Releasing is regularly the hardest thing that Debian does, not just technically but also socially. Apart from the standard issues of setting deadlines, RC bug counts being high, and similar difficult

Re: Question for all candidates: Release process

2010-03-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 08:09:19AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: On 14/03/10 at 14:44 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: This is for all candidates. Releasing is regularly the hardest thing that Debian does, not just technically but also socially. Apart from the standard issues of setting

Re: Question to all candidates: financing of development

2010-03-15 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:12:02AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: I also don't think it is a bad thing, in principle, if Debian were to pay people to work on Debian. However, it is generally a bad idea if some cabal were to select who could get Debian monies and who couldn't; I believe that is

Re: Question for all candidates: Care of Core infrastructure

2010-03-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:30:39AM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: This is for all candidates. In the last years I have seen a really disturbing development in Debian: New developers are very interested in bringing new packages into Debian, but care for our core infrastructure (dpkg, apt) has a

Re: Question to all candidates: financing of development

2010-03-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 04:53:20PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:12:02AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote: I also don't think it is a bad thing, in principle, if Debian were to pay people to work on Debian. However, it is generally a bad idea if some cabal were to

Re: Question to all Candidates: Heated discussions

2010-03-15 Thread Ben Finney
Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org writes: On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 02:40:32AM +, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: Do you think current frequency/amount of heated discussions is acceptable for the Debian project? I believe no amount of ad-hominem discussion is acceptable. There's a significant

Re: Question to all Candidates: Heated discussions

2010-03-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:11:39PM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org writes: On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 02:40:32AM +, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: Do you think current frequency/amount of heated discussions is acceptable for the Debian project? I believe no

Re: Question to all Candidates: Project Funds and donations

2010-03-15 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 5:45 AM, Wouter Verhelst wou...@debian.org wrote: b) What qualifies a contributor to become a Debian Partner? What    qualifies a Debian Partner? I don't think we have a formal list of Debian Partners (but I could be wrong). I'm also not convinced we need one. If we

Re: Question to all candidates: financing of development

2010-03-14 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi Julien, On Sat, 13 Mar 2010, Julien Cristau wrote: Compare Random Joe Developer is soliciting funding for his debian work vs Debian is soliciting funding for Random Joe Developer's debian work. The former is fine IMO, has no risk of being seen as a Debian thing, and can be done without

Re: Question to all candidates: financing of development

2010-03-14 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 02:04:37PM +1100, Anthony Towns wrote: On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 05:01, Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org wrote: Some DDs are able to pursue specific Debian projects due to bounties they put on the projects (both AJ and Raphael have similar initiatives on their

Re: Question to all candidates: financing of development

2010-03-14 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 09:39:27AM +1100, Anthony Towns wrote: But all that aside, GSoC still gets some flames on Debian lists; see the thread on -devel from about this time last year, eg: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/04/msg00424.html

Re: Question to all Candidates: Project Funds and donations

2010-03-14 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 12:02:59AM +0100, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: a) What do you think are valid goals to spend this money on? I believe the driving principle should be to use money as much as possible to keep the project running at its best, while keeping an emergency reserve (e.g. to be sure

Re: Question to all Candidates: Project Funds and donations

2010-03-14 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org writes: or not. Note that achieving that is not necessarily easy: it probably involves more work on the shoulders of various treasurers and we should be ready to help out with that, if it is a blocker. It isn't that difficult, the only thing that needs to

Re: Question to all Candidates: Heated discussions

2010-03-14 Thread Margarita Manterola
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 11:40 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs dmitrij.led...@gmail.com wrote: Do you think current frequency/amount of heated discussions is acceptable for the Debian project? Even though the mailing lists climate is much better than what it was 5 years ago, I think that it still

Re: Question to all Candidates: Heated discussions

2010-03-14 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 02:40:32AM +, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: Do you think current frequency/amount of heated discussions is acceptable for the Debian project? What would you do to reduce those? Acceptable? No. Normal? To some extent, yes. Debian has a history of inflammable mailing

Re: Question to all candidates: communication with the project [ Was: communication ]

2010-03-14 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 11:16:41AM -0600, Raphael Geissert wrote: How, how often, and when do you intend to communicate with the project? In the past there have been Bits from the DPL emails which have been nice, but during the last couple of years there have also been some press

Re: Question to all Candidates: Project Funds and donations

2010-03-14 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 01:59:18PM +, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: It isn't that difficult, the only thing that needs to happen is for the Debian Auditor to do his/her job regularily. Of course, if we want eg. quarterly reports, then it might add additional burden on the various treasureres of the

Re: Question to all Candidates: Project Funds and donations

2010-03-14 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org writes: As I wrote before, one thing is a desiderata, one thing is what you can get given the available work forces. Given that you've just stepped back from the position (which, honestly, I forgot we had), the first obvious step is now finding a new

Re: Question to all candidates: financing of development

2010-03-13 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 08:18:00AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : Imagine a DD contacts you, she wants to setup an infrastructure to finance Debian related projects (i.e. paying people to enable them to work on the projects that they'd like to do for Debian) but she wants to avoid the main

Re: Question to all candidates: financing of development

2010-03-13 Thread Margarita Manterola
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 4:18 AM, Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org wrote: Imagine a DD contacts you, she wants to setup an infrastructure to finance Debian related projects (i.e. paying people to enable them to work on the projects that they'd like to do for Debian) but she wants to avoid the

Re: Question to all Candidates: 2IC

2010-03-13 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 12:55:38PM +0700, Paul Wise wrote: I wonder if the questions period of the DPL elections would be more productive if platforms were published beforehand? FWIW, my platform is ready, if someone want to have a look before the official publishing just ask me me, otherwise I

Re: Question to all candidates: financing of development

2010-03-13 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, thanks for your answers! On Sat, 13 Mar 2010, Margarita Manterola wrote: On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 4:18 AM, Raphael Hertzog hert...@debian.org wrote: Imagine a DD contacts you, she wants to setup an infrastructure to finance Debian related projects (i.e. paying people to enable them to

Re: Question to all Candidates: 2IC

2010-03-13 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 05:10:25PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote: FWIW, I think a 2IC is much more effective for outside-leaning communication, i.e. filtering and/or answering leader@ mail (which apparently can be overwhelming) and such, not for communication with other project members or teams.

Re: Question to all candidates: financing of development

2010-03-13 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 08:18:00AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Imagine a DD contacts you, she wants to setup an infrastructure to finance Debian related projects (i.e. paying people to enable them to work on the projects that they'd like to do for Debian) but she wants to avoid the main

Re: Question to all candidates: financing of development

2010-03-13 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 07:01:21PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: So, given that my main perplexities come from the fact that a DD is involved in organizing all this, you can imagine I wouldn't mind: a company doing that (which is already the case for Google with GSoC), a non-DD/DM doing

Re: Question to all candidates: financing of development

2010-03-13 Thread Julien Cristau
Raphael, On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 17:52:33 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Sat, 13 Mar 2010, Margarita Manterola wrote: However, if it's seen as a Debian thing, instead of an external thing like GSoC is, then it might lead to some resentment from the side of the people that don't get any

Re: Question to all candidates: financing of development

2010-03-13 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 05:11, Mike Hommey m...@glandium.org wrote: Note that GSoc is supposed to sponsor students to do some development work, preferably with the purpose of getting these people involved in a project they weren't involved in to begin with. That's not, per se, accurate. From

Re: Question to all Candidates: 2IC

2010-03-13 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 13 Mar 2010, Margarita Manterola wrote: There are a bunch listed in my yet-to-be-published platform. But just to give an example from the previous mail, I'd like to have a page with rankings of people reporting and fixing bugs, in order to give some nice Debian merchandise to the ones

Question to all Candidates: Heated discussions

2010-03-13 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
Hello =) Sometimes technical Debian discussions (mailing lists, bug reports, blog posts, etc.) become personal flame-wars. Do you think current frequency/amount of heated discussions is acceptable for the Debian project? What would you do to reduce those? --Dima. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Question to all candidates: financing of development

2010-03-13 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 05:01, Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org wrote: Some DDs are able to pursue specific Debian projects due to bounties they put on the projects (both AJ and Raphael have similar initiatives on their homepages, even though I don't know how much they are successful in

Re: Question to all Candidates: 2IC

2010-03-12 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 01:12:57AM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: Do you plan on taking on a 2IC or a team? I personally don't plan to have neither a DPL board, nor a 2IC. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli -o- PhD in Computer Science \ PostDoc @ Univ. Paris 7

Re: Question to all Candidates: 2IC

2010-03-12 Thread Daniel Baumann
On 03/12/2010 10:55 AM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: I personally don't plan to have neither a DPL board, nor a 2IC. why not? -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Burgunderstrasse 3, CH-4562 Biberist Email: daniel.baum...@panthera-systems.net Internet:

Re: Question to all Candidates: 2IC

2010-03-12 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 01:12:57AM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: Heyho, a little question to all those up for the next DPL: Do you plan on taking on a 2IC or a team? I don't plan on doing so, no. We've had a few DPLs in the past who did so, but I don't see a significant difference in

Re: Question to all Candidates: 2IC

2010-03-12 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 01:12:57AM +0100, Joerg Jaspert a écrit : Heyho, a little question to all those up for the next DPL: Do you plan on taking on a 2IC or a team? If so: Who? And why this/those? Hi Joerg, If I understand correctly, the 2IC is another person that gets the emails for

Re: Question to all Candidates: 2IC

2010-03-12 Thread Michael Banck
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 03:47:53PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: In fact, if you think about it, the proposal of a DPL board / 2IC just gives a formal status to something that should be normal, i.e. interaction among DPL and people knowledgeable/competent on specific topics/tasks. FWIW, I

Re: Question to all Candidates: 2IC

2010-03-12 Thread Margarita Manterola
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Joerg Jaspert jo...@debian.org wrote: a little question to all those up for the next DPL: Do you plan on taking on a 2IC or a team? If so: Who? And why this/those? I don't plan to take a 2IC or a DPL team, in the sense of someone else receiving lea...@. I do

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