Re: DFSG and fonts [was: Bug#91856: Hello]

2001-04-04 Thread Taketoshi Sano
Hi. In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on Tue, 03 Apr 2001 21:29:34 +0200, on Re: DFSG and fonts [was: Bug#91856: Hello], Juliusz Chroboczek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DS what if X 5.0 only supports OpenType and BDF fonts, and YY isn't DS interested in converting them? I realise that's not what

Re: DFSG and fonts [was: Bug#91856: Hello]

2001-04-04 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
James Troup [EMAIL PROTECTED]: While the issues on unmodifiable non-software stuff in Debian are not as clear-cut as Branden has made them out to be (I know of at least a half dozen packages in main that are unmodifiable, that were put there knowing that) What are they? They

Re: DFSG and fonts [was: Bug#91856: Hello]

2001-04-04 Thread Joseph Carter
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 08:37:12AM +0100, Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS wrote: What are they? They need serious bugs filed against them. e.g. doc-rfc ? The GNU General Public Licence itself may not be modified. I hope this doesn't mean ... Copyright licenses as legal documents may not be

Re: DFSG and fonts [was: Bug#91856: Hello]

2001-04-04 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS
Joseph Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What are they? They need serious bugs filed against them. e.g. doc-rfc ? The GNU General Public Licence itself may not be modified. I hope this doesn't mean ... Copyright licenses as legal documents may not be modified except by the holder

Re: DFSG and fonts [was: Bug#91856: Hello]

2001-04-04 Thread Taketoshi Sano
Hi. In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on Tue, 03 Apr 2001 21:29:34 +0200, on Re: DFSG and fonts [was: Bug#91856: Hello], Juliusz Chroboczek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DS what if X 5.0 only supports OpenType and BDF fonts, and YY isn't DS interested in converting them? I realise that's not what

Re: DFSG and fonts [was: Bug#91856: Hello]

2001-04-03 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
Me (Juliusz Chroboczek): JC I think we need the DFSG to explicitly provide an exception for JC fonts and artwork. Branden Robinson: BR I disagree. To do so would introduce far too much gray area, in my BR opinion, and get Debian involved in even more licensing flamewars than we BR currently

Re: DFSG and fonts [was: Bug#91856: Hello]

2001-04-03 Thread James Troup
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 12:18:46PM -0500, David Starner wrote: While the issues on unmodifiable non-software stuff in Debian are not as clear-cut as Branden has made them out to be (I know of at least a half dozen packages in main that are

Re: DFSG and fonts [was: Bug#91856: Hello]

2001-04-03 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
Branden Robinson: BR There are lots of ways to preserve artistic integrity. It's BR perfectly compatible with the DFSG to, for instance, require that BR modified versions change the name of the relevant BR (font|executable|data file), to include a disclaimer in the BR copyright info about the

Re: DFSG and fonts [was: Bug#91856: Hello]

2001-04-03 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Juliusz Chroboczek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I share your hope, but I cannot help noticing that the number of available scalable fonts is currently the greatest weakness of the Free Software and Open Source community (communities?). However, adding these fonts did nothing to help the

Re: DFSG and fonts [was: Bug#91856: Hello]

2001-04-03 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
Me (Juliusz Chroboczek): JC I think we need the DFSG to explicitly provide an exception for JC fonts and artwork. Branden Robinson: BR I disagree. To do so would introduce far too much gray area, in my BR opinion, and get Debian involved in even more licensing flamewars than we BR currently

Re: DFSG and fonts [was: Bug#91856: Hello]

2001-04-03 Thread David Starner
On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 05:53:52PM +0200, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: We concluded that the main reason why we insist on the right to modify software is the need to maintain it. After carefully checking the technical, as opposed to artistic, quality of the Lucidux fonts (it is excellent, thanks

Re: DFSG and fonts [was: Bug#91856: Hello]

2001-04-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 05:53:52PM +0200, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: As you can imagine, the inclusion of the Lucidux fonts into the XFree86 source tree didn't go without a fair amount of hesitation. It's not my intent to imply that XFree86's decision was either incorrect, or flawed in process.

Re: DFSG and fonts [was: Bug#91856: Hello]

2001-04-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 12:18:46PM -0500, David Starner wrote: While the issues on unmodifiable non-software stuff in Debian are not as clear-cut as Branden has made them out to be (I know of at least a half dozen packages in main that are unmodifiable, that were put there knowing that) What

Re: DFSG and fonts [was: Bug#91856: Hello]

2001-04-03 Thread James Troup
Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 12:18:46PM -0500, David Starner wrote: While the issues on unmodifiable non-software stuff in Debian are not as clear-cut as Branden has made them out to be (I know of at least a half dozen packages in main that are

Re: DFSG and fonts [was: Bug#91856: Hello]

2001-04-03 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
DS Does it cover Latin-3? Yes, they do. DS If it doesn't, then there's a number of characters that could be DS added in minutes with the right tools to provide for support of DS Esperanto, Maltese and other languages, but we can't, because of DS the license. We share your concern, and we did

Re: DFSG and fonts [was: Bug#91856: Hello]

2001-04-03 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
Branden Robinson: BR There are lots of ways to preserve artistic integrity. It's BR perfectly compatible with the DFSG to, for instance, require that BR modified versions change the name of the relevant BR (font|executable|data file), to include a disclaimer in the BR copyright info about the

Re: DFSG and fonts [was: Bug#91856: Hello]

2001-04-03 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 09:43:10PM +0200, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: Branden Robinson: BR There are lots of ways to preserve artistic integrity. It's BR perfectly compatible with the DFSG to, for instance, require that BR modified versions change the name of the relevant BR

Re: DFSG and fonts [was: Bug#91856: Hello]

2001-04-03 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Juliusz Chroboczek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I share your hope, but I cannot help noticing that the number of available scalable fonts is currently the greatest weakness of the Free Software and Open Source community (communities?). However, adding these fonts did nothing to help the problem,