Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPFPass - good or bad?

2005-09-08 Thread Nick Hayer
Tyran Ormond wrote: That still means that I have to setup includes for each of the possible sending domains, still unacceptable and reason enough for me to discard SPF completely. Well be advised not all your mail will get delivered. I have some insurance agencies whose mail will bounce if

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPFPass - good or bad?

2005-09-08 Thread Darin Cox
t at your discretion. Darin. - Original Message - From: "Tyran Ormond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPFPass - good or bad? On 10:32 AM 9/8/2005 -0400, it would appear that Darin Cox wrote: >Regarding

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPFPass - good or bad?

2005-09-08 Thread Tyran Ormond
On 10:32 AM 9/8/2005 -0400, it would appear that Darin Cox wrote: Regarding the situation you outlined, SPF can be easily configured to specify the server that mail is forced through as the sending server. SPF records can also be designed to inherit other SPF records, so if an ISP has SPF define

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPFPass - good or bad?

2005-09-08 Thread Darin Cox
ecify all of the ISPs sending servers. So, the example you gave is incomplete and can easily be handled by SPF. Darin. - Original Message - From: "Tyran Ormond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPFPass - go

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SPFPass - good or bad?

2005-09-08 Thread Andy Schmidt
rsday, September 08, 2005 09:59 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPFPass - good or bad? On 09:01 AM 9/8/2005 -0400, it would appear that Darin Cox wrote: >Be careful of using spfpass. Spammers can use SPF, too! > >We do not give any credit for passing

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPFPass - good or bad?

2005-09-08 Thread Tyran Ormond
On 09:01 AM 9/8/2005 -0400, it would appear that Darin Cox wrote: Be careful of using spfpass. Spammers can use SPF, too! We do not give any credit for passing SPF, only a penalty for failing which too many email admins set up but allow their networks to send email from machines not listed

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SPFPass - good or bad?

2005-09-08 Thread Markus Gufler
Looking at the last 80.000 messages on our Mailserver SPFPASS has had a positive result on 11% Following the final weight after all spam tests 7 from this 11% was right. The other 4% was a wrong result. SPFFAIL will only catch around 1% of all processed messages. Nearly all of the catched right a

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPFPass - good or bad?

2005-09-08 Thread Darin Cox
- From: "Nick Hayer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPFPass - good or bad? Hi David - I like the spfpass test - coupled with filters it does help aginst false positives. [I prepend all my tests with the test type - t

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPFPass - good or bad?

2005-09-08 Thread Darrell \([EMAIL PROTECTED])
David, Since the start of SPF I have seen a steady adoption of SPF by spammers. Their really is nothing that stops them from using it. My suggestion is not applying negative weight for SPFPASS. Darrell --- invURIBL - Intelligent URI Filtering. Stops 8

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SPFPass - good or bad?

2005-09-08 Thread Nick Hayer
Hi David - I like the spfpass test - coupled with filters it does help aginst false positives. [I prepend all my tests with the test type - thanks Kami! - it makes these filters easier to write -] Here is my spfgood filter - I score it with a -12: SKIPIFWEIGHT26 TESTSFAILEDENDNOT

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SPFPass - good or bad?

2005-09-08 Thread Kornitz, David
I use SPFFail to add weight to test to a message, but like you I have also seen spammers creating SPF records, which in turn allows them to get lower score with SPFPass. As a result, we no long find that SPFPass is a useful in detecting spam. David Kornitz / Cornerstone Computer Solutions, Inc

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SPFPass - good or bad?

2005-09-07 Thread Kevin Bilbee
We only use SPFFAIL and add weight. We stay away from negative weighting. SPFPASS just means that the senderdomain is coming from an approved mail server. Kevin Bilbee > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Dodell > Sent: Wednesday,