Re: Platform Independent vs. Platform Specific Behavior (was: Re: [libreoffice-design] Take inspiration from Lotus Symphony ?)

2011-04-29 Thread Scott Pledger
I've got a few new ideas in mind that we may be able to pull some of the code from vcl into... See the below excerpt from the 'New Layout Concept - Update' that I just posted: * I'm working on that, too. From what I can see of the old graphical layout * * utility that we use, there is no way for

Re: XML based UI? (was: Re: Platform Independent vs. Platform Specific Behavior (was: Re: [libreoffice-design] Take inspiration from Lotus Symphony ?))

2011-04-29 Thread Scott Pledger
The more I look at the source code for vcl, the more I am beginning to dislike it And I'm looking at some of the other XML-based UI languages available and none of them really seem adequate to describe any kind of a major UI overhaul that would keep LibreOffice up to date with other office

Re: XML based UI? (was: Re: Platform Independent vs. Platform Specific Behavior (was: Re: [libreoffice-design] Take inspiration from Lotus Symphony ?))

2011-04-29 Thread Kohei Yoshida
On Fri, 2011-04-29 at 13:18 -0600, Scott Pledger wrote: Any thoughts? Before we go overboard with this, I'd like to point out that a lot of us developers have already gone through quite a lot of brainstorming and trials and errors, and I don't want us to discuss this over here on the design

Re: XML based UI? (was: Re: Platform Independent vs. Platform Specific Behavior (was: Re: [libreoffice-design] Take inspiration from Lotus Symphony ?))

2011-04-29 Thread Kohei Yoshida
On Fri, 2011-04-29 at 18:11 +0200, Christoph Noack wrote: Hi Kohei, hi Scott! Kohei, thanks for the helpful information here ... great that you're listening here (especially since I know your workload...)! No problem. I decided to jump in because we (the developers) have been discussing

Re: Platform Independent vs. Platform Specific Behavior (was: Re: [libreoffice-design] Take inspiration from Lotus Symphony ?)

2011-04-28 Thread Scott Pledger
One thing that we may wish to look into is using the same concept as the Chromium project does - pulling colors in from the user's native desktop environment, but not necessarily using those widgets. This will give LibreOffice the ability to render its own layout and even graphics options, but it

Re: Platform Independent vs. Platform Specific Behavior (was: Re: [libreoffice-design] Take inspiration from Lotus Symphony ?)

2011-04-28 Thread RGB ES
2011/4/28 Kohei Yoshida kyosh...@novell.com: On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 10:49 -0600, Scott Pledger wrote: One thing that we may wish to look into is using the same concept as the Chromium project does - pulling colors in from the user's native desktop environment, but not necessarily using those

Re: Platform Independent vs. Platform Specific Behavior (was: Re: [libreoffice-design] Take inspiration from Lotus Symphony ?)

2011-04-28 Thread Kohei Yoshida
On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 20:49 +0200, RGB ES wrote: Indeed. Correct me if I'm wrong (my technical background in not deep enough) but I think the problem is that OOo/LibO is using some archaic (and arcane) set of libraries to draw its UI called VCL, that no one else use. Yes. This is correct.

Re: Platform Independent vs. Platform Specific Behavior (was: Re: [libreoffice-design] Take inspiration from Lotus Symphony ?)

2011-04-28 Thread Scott Pledger
Is there any chance of implementing any kind of an XML-based UI template? Something similar to XUL may be a good place to start... Yours Truly, Scott Pledger On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 22:39, Kohei Yoshida kyosh...@novell.com wrote: On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 14:29 -0600, Scott Pledger wrote:

Platform Independent vs. Platform Specific Behavior (was: Re: [libreoffice-design] Take inspiration from Lotus Symphony ?)

2011-04-27 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi Scott! You asked a tough question ... something we struggled quite some time within OpenOffice.org. So the question is not _if_ we apply platform specific elements ... the question is rather what we can share accross all platforms, because there is no reference implementation. Some examples:

Re: Platform Independent vs. Platform Specific Behavior (was: Re: [libreoffice-design] Take inspiration from Lotus Symphony ?)

2011-04-27 Thread Scott Pledger
Christoph, Yes that is exactly what I had been thinking!! And sure, I'd be glad to help however I can! Yours Truly, Scott R. Pledger On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 15:24, Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.comwrote: Hi Scott! You asked a tough question ... something we struggled quite some time

Re: Platform Independent vs. Platform Specific Behavior (was: Re: [libreoffice-design] Take inspiration from Lotus Symphony ?)

2011-04-27 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi Scott! Wow, there is quite some activity on this list at the moment. Cool! :-) Am Mittwoch, den 27.04.2011, 15:45 -0600 schrieb Scott Pledger: Christoph, Yes that is exactly what I had been thinking!! And sure, I'd be glad to help however I can! That'll be great ... so may I kindly ask

Re: Platform Independent vs. Platform Specific Behavior (was: Re: [libreoffice-design] Take inspiration from Lotus Symphony ?)

2011-04-27 Thread Scott Pledger
I see two things. Firstly, I think the Ideate and Refine Ideas, Ease Reviews and Discussions, and Improve Communications can all be combined into Improve Communications. Secondly, the section titled Care about Branding Requirements doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. And I think that's