On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 16:40 +0800, Frederic Muller wrote:
> I agree that we still need to talk about how to get the survey to most
> people and what's the best way to attract a "representative part" of the
> GNOME user base. Thinking out loud here, I wonder what could be done to
> get distribution
So...
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Luca Ferretti wrote:
> I remember it was suggested to gtk+ maintainers to use intltool, but
> they refused (but I could be wrong and I totally forgot their
> reasons). However it seems to me the simplest (i.e. less work)
> solution :)
Does anyone know the
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 10:35, Felipe Contreras
wrote:
> After going through all the feedback, here's the second version of the
> proposed survey.
Surveys require careful consideration of the phrasing of questions and
careful consideration of the selection bias of respondents. It doesn't
look like
Hi,
In the past few months, Colin reworked the gnome-menus API to bring
various improvements. The most visible part is that the menu entries are
now based on GDesktopAppInfo, and that we now have real introspection
support. You can see some of the discussion at
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bu
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 18:35, Felipe Contreras
wrote:
> Hi,
Hi,
>
> After going through all the feedback, here's the second version of the
> proposed survey.
>
> There is a proposal to delay the survey until 3.2 is released, to try
> to avoid some of the initial negative feedback of 3.0, I guess
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Felipe Contreras <
felipe.contre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> After going through all the feedback, here's the second version of the
> proposed survey.
>
> There is a proposal to delay the survey until 3.2 is released, to try
> to avoid some of the initial negati
On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 18:35 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> Hi,
>
> After going through all the feedback, here's the second version of the
> proposed survey.
>
> There is a proposal to delay the survey until 3.2 is released, to try
> to avoid some of the initial negative feedback of 3.0, I guess
It doesn't tell you much about the environment
Are you using it on
Desktop
Laptop
Netbook
Tablet
and perhaps a question about skill levels/years of computing experience.
That might help understand which user categories want changes. Eg it's
assumed that most of th
Hi,
After going through all the feedback, here's the second version of the
proposed survey.
There is a proposal to delay the survey until 3.2 is released, to try
to avoid some of the initial negative feedback of 3.0, I guess. If
this is delayed for 3.2, perhaps there could be a small piece of
sof
On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 16:02 +0100, Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller
wrote:
> The Committee for Internet Discussions and Heated Arguments (TCFIDAH)
> would like to announce
Not helpful for the discussion. Or in other words: "Be respectful and
considerate", taken from https://live.gnome.org/CodeOf
On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 16:02 +0100, Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller
wrote:
> The Committee for Internet Discussions and Heated Arguments (TCFIDAH)
> would like to announce that we have decided to give out one of our most
> coveted awards.
>
> So let it be known we would like to give Felipe Contr
Owen Taylor wrote:
> To me, the criterion for success is that someone can start from scratch,
> without knowing much about Linux development and have a working build
> within an hour or so, without having to babysit it. Any sort of
> babysitting makes things much longer for everybody, and basicall
The Committee for Internet Discussions and Heated Arguments (TCFIDAH)
would like to announce that we have decided to give out one of our most
coveted awards.
So let it be known we would like to give Felipe Contreras the 'oGalaxyo
Honorary Memorial award for Endurance in Online Arguing'
for his out
Hi Felipe!
> If you don't agree that options are missing, then what's the point of
> skipping the question, and going directly to ask what they would
> change? (which I don't see how it can be done in this survey anyway).
> First I would like to try to identify the need for change, if any.
>
> *I
On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 17:32 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Shaun McCance wrote:
> > On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 16:33 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> >> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Shaun McCance wrote:
> >> > On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 12:21 +0300, Felipe Contreras wro
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Shaun McCance wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 16:33 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Shaun McCance wrote:
>> > On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 12:21 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> >> But what if you get:
>> >> 2% users answered 'Too many op
What are you actually trying to understand ?
If there are tradeoffs (and consensus that the tradeoff is real) then you
can ask questions where you rate relative importance of features in
various combinations It's often used to weight things like
price/screensize, screensize/battery life, battery l
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Olav Vitters wrote:
> (snipping a lot)
>
> On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 12:45:11PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Olav Vitters wrote:
>> > On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 11:00:31AM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> >> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at
On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 04:40:52PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> And there's many things you can do if you realize people desperately
> need more options; like enabling votes in bugzilla, a poll, an
> ideatorrent, etc.
This all seems very focussed on anything via internet and users who care
a g
Hello Ben,
On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 20:21 +1200, Ben Cooksley wrote:
> To all concerned developers,
>
> As you may or may not be aware, the name "System Settings" for an
> application is currently in use by KDE. A recent renaming by your
> GNOME control center developers to this name creates a namin
On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 15:12 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote:
Thank you for your feedback on JHBuild. I want JHBuild to just work. I
want it to be easy to create a GNOME sandbox.
> * I think we need to work on our setup process; if you get jhbuild
> installed, typing jhbuild produces:
>
>jhbuild:
On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 16:33 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Shaun McCance wrote:
> > On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 12:21 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> >> But what if you get:
> >> 2% users answered 'Too many options'
> >> 10% users answered 'just enough'
> >> 88% users
2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras
> Do the majority of GNOME developers agree that there are too few options?
>
No.
Florian
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On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 14:33, Felipe Contreras
wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Shaun McCance wrote:
>> On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 12:21 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>>> But what if you get:
>>> 2% users answered 'Too many options'
>>> 10% users answered 'just enough'
>>> 88% users answered
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Luca Bruno wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 09:24:35AM -0400, Shaun McCance wrote:
>> That is still not useful information. Developers aren't going
>> to add options for the sake of adding options. "Users want
>> more options? I guess I better hunt through my progra
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Shaun McCance wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 12:21 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> But what if you get:
>> 2% users answered 'Too many options'
>> 10% users answered 'just enough'
>> 88% users answered 'few options'
>>
>> I repeat, the worst that could happen is t
On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 09:24:35AM -0400, Shaun McCance wrote:
> That is still not useful information. Developers aren't going
> to add options for the sake of adding options. "Users want
> more options? I guess I better hunt through my program to see
> what I can make configurable." That's absurd.
2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Florian Müllner
> wrote:
> > 2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras
> >>
> >> Yes, but if a significant percentage of the people answer "not at
> >> all", or "somewhat", then the survey would be a bit wasted, since now
> >> you have to wait another
On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 12:21 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> But what if you get:
> 2% users answered 'Too many options'
> 10% users answered 'just enough'
> 88% users answered 'few options'
>
> I repeat, the worst that could happen is that the results of the
> question don't provide any value, so
2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras :
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Christophe Fergeau wrote:
>> 2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras :
>>>
>>> From my understanding, no number has a statistical power of 0, any
>>> number will have statistical power greater than that.
>>
>> See, you start implying that whatever we
(snipping a lot)
On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 12:45:11PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Olav Vitters wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 11:00:31AM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> >> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
> > That doesn't reflect what
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Christophe Fergeau wrote:
> 2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras :
>>
>> From my understanding, no number has a statistical power of 0, any
>> number will have statistical power greater than that.
>
> See, you start implying that whatever we do, the numbers will have
> statist
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Richard Hughes wrote:
> On 1 August 2011 11:20, Christophe Fergeau wrote:
>> Once again, I think things will go this way, we run the poll, maybe 1%
>> of gnome users answer, N% of these respondants answer X, and then
>> we'll get people saying "N% of GNOME users wa
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Florian Müllner wrote:
> 2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras
>>
>> Yes, but if a significant percentage of the people answer "not at
>> all", or "somewhat", then the survey would be a bit wasted, since now
>> you have to wait another year to ask in more detail.
>
> Of course
2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras
> Yes, but if a significant percentage of the people answer "not at
> all", or "somewhat", then the survey would be a bit wasted, since now
> you have to wait another year to ask in more detail.
>
Of course the same argument applies if a significant percentage of people
On 1 August 2011 11:20, Christophe Fergeau wrote:
> Once again, I think things will go this way, we run the poll, maybe 1%
> of gnome users answer, N% of these respondants answer X, and then
> we'll get people saying "N% of GNOME users want X, upstream ignore
> their users!"
To upstream maintaine
2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras :
>
> From my understanding, no number has a statistical power of 0, any
> number will have statistical power greater than that.
See, you start implying that whatever we do, the numbers will have
statistical significance (aka science aka hard facts). Unless we
manage to p
2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras :
Given the kind of questions, it's bound to
attract answers from people who want more options, and I don't think
how we can go from "N% of the people who took the survey said they
wanted more options" to "M% of *all* G3 users want more options". To
>>>
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Alberto Ruiz wrote:
> 2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras
>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Christophe Fergeau
>> wrote:
>> > 2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras :
>> >> I other words, you are saying that it doesn't matter if 100% of the
>> >> responders of this survey say GNOME ha
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Christophe Fergeau wrote:
> 2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras :
>> Would you like to rephrase the survey to don't assume the respondent
>> is using GNOME, and then ask this question?
>> == Which desktop environment are you currently using? ==
>>
>> This should spot the peo
2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Christophe Fergeau
> wrote:
> > 2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras :
> >> I other words, you are saying that it doesn't matter if 100% of the
> >> responders of this survey say GNOME has too few options, nothing would
> >> be done? Is there *an
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Olav Vitters wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 11:00:31AM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
>> > On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 12:16:54AM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> >> On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Olav Vitt
On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 12:21 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Germán Póo-Caamaño wrote:
> [...]
> > That said, if you get:
> > 40% users answered 'Too many options'
> > 10% users answered 'just enough'
> > 50% users answered 'few options'
>
> But what if you get:
>
2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras :
>> What are your
>> plans to make sure people unhappy with GNOME are not over represented
>> in the poll results?
>
> Publicize the survey as much as possible.
So what? This is not how "real-life" polls work.
>
> Would you like to rephrase the survey to don't assume th
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Germán Póo-Caamaño wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 11:00 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
>> > On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 12:16:54AM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> >> On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Olav Vitte
That was surely intended to the list.
Original Message
Subject: Re: GNOME user survey 2011
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 08:33:34 +
From: GSO
To: Frederic Muller
How about an applet linking to a user feedback forum and/or
questionnaire etc. A desktop icon would do the same, but d
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Christophe Fergeau wrote:
> 2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras :
>> I other words, you are saying that it doesn't matter if 100% of the
>> responders of this survey say GNOME has too few options, nothing would
>> be done? Is there *any* kind of evidence that would convince
On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 11:00:31AM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 12:16:54AM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> >> On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Olav Vitters wrote:
> >> > On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 07:11:34PM +0300
On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 11:00 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 12:16:54AM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> >> On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Olav Vitters wrote:
> >> > On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 07:11:34PM +0300, Felip
On 08/01/2011 03:44 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 7:04 AM, Frederic Muller wrote:
>> On 08/01/2011 12:11 AM, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>>> lately I've feeling that there's a lot of dissatisfaction
>>> with GNOME 3.
>>
>> I feel this is highly suggestive. Besides we knew 3.0
Hi,
2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras :
> I other words, you are saying that it doesn't matter if 100% of the
> responders of this survey say GNOME has too few options, nothing would
> be done? Is there *any* kind of evidence that would convince GNOME ppl
> that users want more options? Or is it what the
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 12:16:54AM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Olav Vitters wrote:
>> > On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 07:11:34PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> >> Many of these are borrowed from the Git us
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 7:04 AM, Frederic Muller wrote:
> On 08/01/2011 12:11 AM, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> lately I've feeling that there's a lot of dissatisfaction
>> with GNOME 3.
>
> I feel this is highly suggestive. Besides we knew 3.0 was a DOT ZERO
> release. GNOME needed the software to be
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