Re: loomio

2013-04-15 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 11:36:54AM +0300, אנטולי קרסנר wrote: What do you think? How are you involved in this? I get the impression that you're involved and will use GNOME in your marketing material. Initial impressions: - lacks silent thinking ideas - surveys should not be public during voting

Re: loomio

2013-04-15 Thread Andy Tai
GNOME is a free software project where all the decision making process should be transparent. Mailing lists, for example, are transparent. The tool you recommend will go against the spirit of openness and community. On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 1:36 AM, אנטולי קרסנר tomback...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: loomio

2013-04-15 Thread אנטולי קרסנר
I agree, I didn't mean to change the way module maintainers make specific technical decisions for their modules. But many decisions are relevant for the whole community, and using such software would allow people to participate more easily and give them a feeling their voice counts. Keeping track

Re: loomio

2013-04-15 Thread Andrew Cowie
On Mon, 2013-04-15 at 14:49 +0300, אנטולי קרסנר wrote: Keeping track of the process would become much easier than the current mix of IRC, mailing lists and wiki pages. So then it would be a mix of IRC, mailing lists, wiki pages, and this thing. As ever,

Re: loomio

2013-04-15 Thread אנטולי קרסנר
If we all always thought and decided on things the way you suggest, then nothing would ever change. It's not a big secret that tools like wikis and mailing lists are very general-purpose and the reason they're used so widely is that creating tools for specific tasks is a very difficult task. Even

Re: loomio

2013-04-15 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 03:33:06PM +0300, אנטולי קרסנר wrote: So I'm not attacking the relevance of existing tools. I'm suggesting a tool which may be better for some use cases. Maybe it can, maybe it can't, but don't judge so quickly. It just seems some basics are missing. What is missing

Re: loomio

2013-04-15 Thread seiflo...@googlemail.com
Hmm I am very uncertain about loomio, however since I am working on gnome-music with a small team, we could try using loomio for a bit to see if it in any way improves our workflow. We could report and blog about the experiecen. However that would require Anatoly to set up the whole infrastructure

Re: loomio

2013-04-15 Thread אנטולי קרסנר
With pleasure :) But it depends on the necessary resources. If they supply their own server on which they create the group account, all I need to do is fill a form. But I don't have all the details: https://www.loomio.org/group_requests/new On ב', 2013-04-15 at 16:31 +0200,

Re: loomio

2013-04-15 Thread Martyn Russell
On 14/04/13 09:36, אנטולי קרסנר wrote: Hello, Hello, I found a tool for collaborative decision making and brainstorming called loomio: https://www.loomio.org/ Interesting. It's open for private beta, and I think Gnome, as a community project, can really benefit from using it. Currently

Re: loomio

2013-04-15 Thread Marco Scannadinari
GNOME is a free software project where all the decision making process should be transparent. Mailing lists, for example, are transparent. The tool you recommend will go against the spirit of openness and community. How? The whole service is open