On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 12:36:09AM +0800, Ma Xiaojun wrote:
> This is nice answer.
> But people didn't answer the OP question honestly.
> They just try to prove that I was rude and try to make excuses of the OP bug.
You already got an answer that pygtk is not maintained, and that gobject
introspec
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 12:30 AM, Alberto Ruiz wrote:
> The point is made, let's just ignore him and move along, we have
> better things to do.
I have better thing to do, either.
It was just a bug notice.
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On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 12:28 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
> This is a fruitless discussion.
>
> Let me explain a little what people are trying to communicate to you.
> You're looking at this in a very rigid manner.
>
> In an open source community, your credentials matter. When your positive,
> we
On Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 11:16:21PM +0800, Ma Xiaojun wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:14 PM, Karen Sandler wrote:
> > Community dynamics are an important part of how GNOME functions generally
> > and all discussion here should be mindful of that fact. Harsh and negative
> > tone frustrates produ
Le 04/04/2013 18:30, Ma Xiaojun a écrit :
> On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 12:26 AM, Luis Menina wrote:
>> What kind of support do you expect from an unmaintained module ?
>
> Then you just answer: "Probably forever."
> I accept it.
pygtk stats:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/browse.cgi?product=pygtk
148 b
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 12:26 AM, Luis Menina wrote:
> What kind of support do you expect from an unmaintained module ?
Then you just answer: "Probably forever."
I accept it.
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Guys, seriously, at this point, haven't you figured out that it
doesn't really matter what we say? He knows he's wrong, he just
doesn't want to ack. it, and I think he is enjoying this game.
The point is made, let's just ignore him and move along, we have
better things to do.
2013/4/4 Sriram Ramk
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 12:16 AM, Luis Menina wrote:
> You don't need to be rude to have something get fixed. It's quite the
> opposite. The more rude you get, the less interest people get in fixing
> your problem. Talk to someone like a dog, and he will behave like one.
What kind of rude you find
This is a fruitless discussion.
Let me explain a little what people are trying to communicate to you.
You're looking at this in a very rigid manner.
In an open source community, your credentials matter. When your positive,
we're positive, if you're sour, well you're going to get a likewise
reac
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Luis Menina wrote:
> ...which you could have done to be constructive. But now, what happens?
> Even if the patch is committed (which it should), you'll need to have
> your distro use that patch, or patch it yourself locally. Complaining
> doesn't change the fact th
Le 04/04/2013 18:08, Ma Xiaojun a écrit :
> So I brought up a honest question, how long should a bug be fixed.
> This should be a scientific measure of "Quality of Support".
What kind of support do you expect from an unmaintained module ?
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Le 04/04/2013 18:06, Ma Xiaojun a écrit :
> On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
>> Are you really saying that you're out to be annoying? Not sure how you
>> expect to get things done with such an attitude (in this project).
>
> Bad mistakes deserve severe criticism, that simple.
Le 04/04/2013 17:56, Ma Xiaojun a écrit :
> I've already wasted a good amount of time of to remind you this bug.
> It's you keep saying BS without give a shit to the origin bug, except
> the guy who help attach the patch.
...which you could have done to be constructive. But now, what happens?
Even
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 12:05 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
> Every software has bugs. GNOME has loads. We have Bugzilla to track
> them. Help is appreciated to fix these, but pretty much all the
> developers know that there are bugs.
>
> Sometimes bugs are forgotten and just a ping is enough to get some
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
> Are you really saying that you're out to be annoying? Not sure how you
> expect to get things done with such an attitude (in this project).
Bad mistakes deserve severe criticism, that simple.
I don't some people say something rude to me in pr
On Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 11:19:49PM +0800, Ma Xiaojun wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:15 PM, Alberto Ruiz wrote:
> > And?
>
> No need to further rant how you tend to make excuses of bugs rather
> than try hard to fix them.
Every software has bugs. GNOME has loads. We have Bugzilla to track
the
I only care software quality, go solve the real problem.
Don't assume I'm the only user of the API.
Since a patch is already given, I don't think I can any further action
on my side.
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On Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 11:51:50PM +0800, Ma Xiaojun wrote:
> I understand it's good to ask nicely.
> But for this bug, such job is done by other people already.
Are you really saying that you're out to be annoying? Not sure how you
expect to get things done with such an attitude (in this project)
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:51 PM, Emmanuele Bassi wrote:
> you keep thinking this is about the bug: it's not.
>
> it's about your unproductive tone, your aggressive and pointless
> arguing, and your confrontational attitude.
>
> open source is about collaboration. behaving like you do is not a good
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:48 PM, Karen Sandler wrote:
> I understand that your bug complaint is important to you, but as I said,
> community dynamics are very important to this list. As Andre said, it's
> not the topic but your tone. This is not the first thread like this from
> you. Please review
On 4 April 2013 16:46, Ma Xiaojun wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:43 PM, Emmanuele Bassi wrote:
>> sounds like you should take a break from desktop-devel-list, and also
>> learn how to behave in a public setting.
>
> Despite the later coming BS, you feel bad because, as OP, a bug is
> presente
On Thu, April 4, 2013 11:16 am, Ma Xiaojun wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:14 PM, Karen Sandler wrote:
>> Community dynamics are an important part of how GNOME functions
>> generally
>> and all discussion here should be mindful of that fact. Harsh and
>> negative
>> tone frustrates productive d
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:43 PM, Emmanuele Bassi wrote:
> sounds like you should take a break from desktop-devel-list, and also
> learn how to behave in a public setting.
Despite the later coming BS, you feel bad because, as OP, a bug is
presented to you with a honest question?
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On 4 April 2013 16:37, Ma Xiaojun wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:35 PM, Daniel Mustieles García
> wrote:
>> Don't feed the troll.
>
> Sounds like you didn't check the bug or you don't understand code.
sounds like you should take a break from desktop-devel-list, and also
learn how to behave i
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:35 PM, Daniel Mustieles García
wrote:
> Don't feed the troll.
Sounds like you didn't check the bug or you don't understand code.
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Don't feed the troll.
2013/4/4 Andre Klapper
> On Thu, 2013-04-04 at 23:11 +0800, Ma Xiaojun wrote:
> > It is a problem reported as early as 2010.
> > It affects fair amount of software.
>
> Age of a bug report isn't a criterion for anything. Why haven't you
> pushed for fixing it earlier if it
s/invaliding/invalidating
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On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:17 PM, Andre Klapper wrote:
> Age of a bug report isn't a criterion for anything. Why haven't you
> pushed for fixing it earlier if it was known since 2010? ;)
>
> No, it's not the topic but your tone. Don't mix that up.
Nice.
I began to aware of this bug today.
But you
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:15 PM, Alberto Ruiz wrote:
> And?
No need to further rant how you tend to make excuses of bugs rather
than try hard to fix them.
> It is not about being offended about a bug, it is about how disgusting
> it is to talk to someone who treats you like crap.
How can you im
On Thu, 2013-04-04 at 23:11 +0800, Ma Xiaojun wrote:
> It is a problem reported as early as 2010.
> It affects fair amount of software.
Age of a bug report isn't a criterion for anything. Why haven't you
pushed for fixing it earlier if it was known since 2010? ;)
> You feel offended because a rea
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:14 PM, Karen Sandler wrote:
> Community dynamics are an important part of how GNOME functions generally
> and all discussion here should be mindful of that fact. Harsh and negative
> tone frustrates productive discussion and often causes unnecessary
> reaction traffic whi
2013/4/4 Ma Xiaojun :
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Alberto Ruiz wrote:
>> Volunteer != hobbyist.
>>
>> Professionals volunteer their time and do their best to get things
>> working. Want something solved and it doesn't happen? Ask nicely.
>> Still doesn't happen? Too bad, nobody's fault real
On Thu, April 4, 2013 10:58 am, Ma Xiaojun wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Andre Klapper wrote:
>> Likely a long time for an unmaintained module that has not seen any code
>> activity for years: https://git.gnome.org/browse/pygtk/log/
>>
>> Maybe you have some luck to find a developer on
On 4 April 2013 16:04, Ma Xiaojun wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:01 PM, Debarshi Ray wrote:
> > Did you ask for your money back?
>
> No, I prefer paying some money rather than writing stupid E-mails as
> the way to ask for support.
Sound good. There are numerous companies that provide pai
On 04/04/13 11:01 AM, Jasper St. Pierre wrote:
> If it simply lands in git and that's it, why do it at all?
There is always a point of having stuff land in git. This allow making
the release process faster in case someone wants to step up and help
with the release. I don't believe in the argument
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Alberto Ruiz wrote:
> Volunteer != hobbyist.
>
> Professionals volunteer their time and do their best to get things
> working. Want something solved and it doesn't happen? Ask nicely.
> Still doesn't happen? Too bad, nobody's fault really.
>
> The community doesn't
2013/4/4 Ma Xiaojun :
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:01 PM, Debarshi Ray wrote:
>> Did you ask for your money back?
>
> No, I prefer paying some money rather than writing stupid E-mails as
> the way to ask for support.
Then you are lucky, there are plenty of GNOME consultancy companies
who specializ
Hi Ma,
On Thu, 2013-04-04 at 22:44 +0800, Ma Xiaojun wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 10:11 PM, Luis Menina wrote:
> > Could you please avoid getting that harsh in all your messages? I think
> > I'm not the only getting upset by the way you handle communication.
>
> Focus on the bug, rather than
2013/4/4 Ma Xiaojun :
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 10:11 PM, Luis Menina wrote:
>> Could you please avoid getting that harsh in all your messages? I think
>> I'm not the only getting upset by the way you handle communication.
>
> Focus on the bug, rather than how it is shown to you, please.
>
>> You'l
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:01 PM, Debarshi Ray wrote:
> Did you ask for your money back?
No, I prefer paying some money rather than writing stupid E-mails as
the way to ask for support.
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>> This touches a general unsolved issue: Sharing the maintenance burden of
>> deprecated modules across distributors who ship enterprise / long-term
>> support versions. Same problem e.g. for gnome-vfs, libgnome, ...
>> I guess if somebody offered maintainership, nobody would refuse.
>
> It's all
We're not suggesting anything of the sort. We're saying that PyGTK+ hasn't
been touched in two years. If this patch lands today, can we ensure that a
new release of PyGTK+ is sent to distributions? Will you take the
responsibility to make a new release, a new tarball, etc?
If it simply lands in gi
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Olav Vitters wrote:
>
> I am a hobbyist. I am aware that there is something wrong with that, for
> which I apologize. Where I work we do indeed pride ourselves behaving
> any way we like, because it does not matter at all how people are
> treated, as we are gettin
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Andre Klapper wrote:
> Likely a long time for an unmaintained module that has not seen any code
> activity for years: https://git.gnome.org/browse/pygtk/log/
>
> Maybe you have some luck to find a developer on
> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/python-hacker
On Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 10:44:22PM +0800, Ma Xiaojun wrote:
> Are suggesting that GNOME are maintained by a group of hobbyist?
> How to prove your seriousness about your distributed software?
I am a hobbyist. I am aware that there is something wrong with that, for
which I apologize. Where I work
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 10:11 PM, Luis Menina wrote:
> Could you please avoid getting that harsh in all your messages? I think
> I'm not the only getting upset by the way you handle communication.
Focus on the bug, rather than how it is shown to you, please.
> You'll find unreviewed patches all o
On Thu, 2013-04-04 at 21:20 +0800, Ma Xiaojun wrote:
> Link: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=674092
Likely a long time for an unmaintained module that has not seen any code
activity for years: https://git.gnome.org/browse/pygtk/log/
Maybe you have some luck to find a developer on
https
Le 04/04/2013 15:59, Matej Cepl a écrit :
> If developer says, he wants a patch attached, then it'd better be
> attached. Fixed.
Well, it will be fixed only once committed and a 2.24.1 release out,
which IMHO won't happen any soon if the module is unmaintained...
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Le 04/04/2013 15:20, Ma Xiaojun a écrit :
> Link: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=674092
Could you please avoid getting that harsh in all your messages? I think
I'm not the only getting upset by the way you handle communication.
You'll find unreviewed patches all over the GNOME modules
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Matej Cepl wrote:
> If developer says, he wants a patch attached, then it'd better be
> attached. Fixed.
Thank you for your work!
But the patch is not big at all anyway; it is obvious to see what it
does by looking at origin report.
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On 2013-04-04, 13:20 GMT, Ma Xiaojun wrote:
> Link: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=674092
If developer says, he wants a patch attached, then it'd better be
attached. Fixed.
Matěj
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On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Maciej Piechotka wrote:
> IIRC pygtk is no longer maintained (as is gtk+ 2) as the newer binding
> are using gobject-introspection and pygobject 3 which (presumably) don't
> have this problem. Last commit to it was 2 years ago.
What if people want to develop softwa
On Thu, 2013-04-04 at 21:20 +0800, Ma Xiaojun wrote:
> Link: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=674092
IIRC pygtk is no longer maintained (as is gtk+ 2) as the newer binding
are using gobject-introspection and pygobject 3 which (presumably) don't
have this problem. Last commit to it was 2
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