Re: [Desktop_architects] The reason Adobe does not want to port Photoshop?

2006-10-16 Thread Paul Davis
On Sat, 2006-10-14 at 10:49 +0200, Tim Beaulen wrote: > InstallShield for Linux exists. > And if people can make money out of it on Windows and Mac, then they > can on Linux too. installshield makes money because of the dozens/hundreds/thousands of applications developed by ISV's for windows and

Re: [Desktop_architects] The reason Adobe does not want to port Photoshop?

2006-10-14 Thread Tim Beaulen
On 10/14/06, Mike Hearn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why can some companies do this and Adobe not?Adobe *could* do it, but they don't want to because it's extremely unpleasant and annoying.   I don't want to do the unpleasant things in my job either but they have to be done. How did they start on

Re: [Desktop_architects] The reason Adobe does not want to port Photoshop?

2006-10-14 Thread Tim Beaulen
On 10/13/06, Paul Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: what so many linux users + developers seem to forget is that there aresets of products that do *NOT* want to be distributed by distributions. how would a commercial product ever be a part of the multiplicity oflinux package management systems? its

Re: [Desktop_architects] The reason Adobe does not want to port Photoshop?

2006-10-13 Thread Mike Hearn
> Why can some companies do this and Adobe not? Adobe *could* do it, but they don't want to because it's extremely unpleasant and annoying. > What do they need? An "installer api" that is used by each and every > linux/unix distro? Amongst other things, yes. They do exist. Autopackage is one, fo

Re: [Desktop_architects] The reason Adobe does not want to port Photoshop?

2006-10-13 Thread Michael Sweet
Paul Davis wrote: > ... >> Of course. One needs to write an install program, it's as simple as that. > > yes, so simple that even on win32, companies make a living doing *just* > install programs. how simple is it to write the equivalent of > installshield for linux? The short of it is that you

Re: [Desktop_architects] The reason Adobe does not want to port Photoshop?

2006-10-13 Thread Paul Davis
On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 20:06 +0200, Tim Beaulen wrote: > On 10/13/06, Segedunum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I mean, even if Adobe do create a > > Linux desktop port, how does Adobe package it up and how on Earth is anyone > > going to install it? Anybody think of things like that? > > Why can so

Re: [Desktop_architects] The reason Adobe does not want to port Photoshop?

2006-10-13 Thread Tim Beaulen
On 10/13/06, Segedunum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I mean, even if Adobe do create a > Linux desktop port, how does Adobe package it up and how on Earth is anyone > going to install it? Anybody think of things like that? Why can some companies do this and Adobe not? What do they need? An "install

Re: [Desktop_architects] The reason Adobe does not want to port Photoshop?

2006-10-13 Thread Segedunum
On Wednesday 11 October 2006 19:56, Hubert Figuiere wrote: > Eric Buttler posted a reply: > http://eric.extremeboredom.net/2006/10/08/265 I found that reply positively embarrassing to anyone connected with Linux, open source software, or even those of us who just use it to get stuff done. It see

Re: [Desktop_architects] The reason Adobe does not want to port Photoshop?

2006-10-12 Thread Paul Davis
On Thu, 2006-10-12 at 07:54 -0500, Jeremy White wrote: > We're trying to do a simultaneous release of a product for the Mac > and for Linux. For the Mac it's pretty easy; we have a variety > of Macs for testing just to be safe, but the truth is, once it > works reliably on one Mac, we're pretty ce

Re: [Desktop_architects] The reason Adobe does not want to port Photoshop?

2006-10-12 Thread Jeremy White
> If I understand correctly the main problem is not the development itself but > rather issues around deployment, correct? Well, the main problem is market size. If there was a huge market, ISVs would bitch and moan and gripe (like me :-/), but they'd overcome the challenges and make Linux Deskt

Re: [Desktop_architects] The reason Adobe does not want to port Photoshop?

2006-10-11 Thread Tim Beaulen
On 10/12/06, Jeremy White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: But my summary was this:  It takes a lot of hard work to create a Desktop product for Linux   It doesn't and it has been proven a dozen of times. Of course, if you expect the full blown professional version of Photoshop to be ported in under a

Re: [Desktop_architects] The reason Adobe does not want to port Photoshop?

2006-10-11 Thread Dan Kegel
On 10/11/06, Jeremy White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So I think it's wrong to call Adobe programmers 'undereducated' - > they're telling it like it is. And the sooner we face that truth > and get on with doing what we can to improve the situation (yay for > xdg-utils!), > the better. Hear, hea

Re: [Desktop_architects] The reason Adobe does not want to port Photoshop?

2006-10-11 Thread Jeremy White
> Judging by the developer's comments it is more likely intentionally spreading > misinformation. > > However, my experience with corporate developers, even a couple of those I > know personally, is that they are quite undereducated regarding the state of > Linux/free software desktops. I disa

Re: [Desktop_architects] The reason Adobe does not want to port Photoshop?

2006-10-11 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Wednesday 11 October 2006 20:56, Hubert Figuiere wrote: > Hi, > > FYI. Here is a thread started on Adobe Forums about Adobe Photoshop and > Linux: > > http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx?128@@.3bc1d4af > > It appears that some Photoshop developers are spreading some > misinformation or are t

Re: [Desktop_architects] The reason Adobe does not want to port Photoshop?

2006-10-11 Thread Hubert Figuiere
Dan Kegel wrote: > With any luck, Wine will soon be able to run Photoshop well, > and the number of people using that combination will > make Adobe sit up and rethink their opposition to a native port. It could also have the "OS/2 effect": it runs too well with the "windows emulation" that no por

Re: [Desktop_architects] The reason Adobe does not want to port Photoshop?

2006-10-11 Thread Dan Kegel
On 10/11/06, Hubert Figuiere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx?128@@.3bc1d4af > > It appears that some Photoshop developers are spreading some > misinformation or are themselves misinformed. Notably the part where > they compare KDE/Gnome to windows manager writte

[Desktop_architects] The reason Adobe does not want to port Photoshop?

2006-10-11 Thread Hubert Figuiere
Hi, FYI. Here is a thread started on Adobe Forums about Adobe Photoshop and Linux: http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx?128@@.3bc1d4af It appears that some Photoshop developers are spreading some misinformation or are themselves misinformed. Notably the part where they compare KDE/Gnome to wi