Re: [VOTE] Shut down the 1.6 branch after 1.6.5

2005-05-25 Thread Jesse Glick
Stefan Bodewig wrote: Sometimes I merge changes into the 1.6 branch without merging the unit tests as well. Sometimes I don't merge changes at all. Sometimes I forget to pull a change from the branch when it has been pulled from HEAD ... I bet, other committers have similar experiences. I'm

Re: [VOTE] Shut down the 1.6 branch after 1.6.5

2005-05-25 Thread Dominique Devienne
+1. Double commits is work and easy to forget. I like Steve's idea of a quarterly drop and I agree with Jesse that we should be stricter about what goes into a dot-dot release. I don't have much else to add. --DD - To

[VOTE] Shut down the 1.6 branch after 1.6.5

2005-05-23 Thread Stefan Bodewig
Hi, it's my strong belief that part of the reason the javah and move bugs made it into 1.6.3 is that our branches are living too long. The same happened to 1.5.2 (which required 1.5.3 quickly) because the 1.5 branch lived to long (IMHO). In my day-to-day Ant usage I use CVS HEAD, all the time,

Re: [VOTE] Shut down the 1.6 branch after 1.6.5

2005-05-23 Thread Antoine Levy-Lambert
This leads me to the subject of this vote. Let's get rid of the branch, stabelize CVS HEAD and release 1.7.0-beta in a reasonable time-frame. Cheers Stefan +1 Antoine PS: I also intend to start a vote that branches shouldn't live as long as the 1.5 and 1.6 branches did but we

AW: [VOTE] Shut down the 1.6 branch after 1.6.5

2005-05-23 Thread Jan . Materne
+1 Jan -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Antoine Levy-Lambert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet am: Montag, 23. Mai 2005 09:50 An: Ant Developers List Betreff: Re: [VOTE] Shut down the 1.6 branch after 1.6.5 This leads me to the subject of this vote. Let's get rid of the branch

Re: [VOTE] Shut down the 1.6 branch after 1.6.5

2005-05-23 Thread Kev Jackson
Stefan Bodewig wrote: Hi, it's my strong belief that part of the reason the javah and move bugs made it into 1.6.3 is that our branches are living too long. The same happened to 1.5.2 (which required 1.5.3 quickly) because the 1.5 branch lived to long (IMHO). In my day-to-day Ant usage I use

Re: [VOTE] Shut down the 1.6 branch after 1.6.5

2005-05-23 Thread Stefan Bodewig
On Mon, 23 May 2005, Kev Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I read this correctly, you're saying that the number of bugs increases when there's a long period of time between branches, mainly because it's difficult to test the branch properly as most (if not all) of the committers use HEAD.

Re: [VOTE] Shut down the 1.6 branch after 1.6.5

2005-05-23 Thread Kev Jackson
Yes. In particular the number of bugs that are only present in the branch but not on CVS head. Both the javah and move bugs have been fixed in HEAD for many weeks before we released 1.6.3. process issue then. The complexity of keeping the curent branch in a predictable state when the

Re: [VOTE] Shut down the 1.6 branch after 1.6.5

2005-05-23 Thread Stefan Bodewig
On Mon, 23 May 2005, Kev Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: process issue then. process is one of the most difficult things to enforce in an all-volunteer organization. 8-) Unfortunately there's no simple fix. Sure. Kill branches as soon as possible so we don't need a process for dealing with

Re: [VOTE] Shut down the 1.6 branch after 1.6.5

2005-05-23 Thread Kev Jackson
Unfortunately there's no simple fix. Sure. Kill branches as soon as possible so we don't need a process for dealing with them. ok, so then maintaining the branch becomes a trivial exercise after 2* months it's dead and new code is always in HEAD and you don't have to migrate it to

Re: [VOTE] Shut down the 1.6 branch after 1.6.5

2005-05-23 Thread Stephane Bailliez
Stefan Bodewig wrote: This leads me to the subject of this vote. Let's get rid of the branch, stabelize CVS HEAD and release 1.7.0-beta in a reasonable time-frame. You did not vote, Stefan. +1 for me. - To unsubscribe,

Re: [VOTE] Shut down the 1.6 branch after 1.6.5

2005-05-23 Thread Stefan Bodewig
On Mon, 23 May 2005, Stephane Bailliez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You did not vote, Stefan. Thanks 8-) I like to call for a vote and vote myself in two separate mails - and forgot to send the second. Stefan - To unsubscribe,

Re: [VOTE] Shut down the 1.6 branch after 1.6.5

2005-05-23 Thread Stefan Bodewig
On Mon, 23 May 2005, Stefan Bodewig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This leads me to the subject of this vote. Let's get rid of the branch, stabelize CVS HEAD and release 1.7.0-beta in a reasonable time-frame. +1 Stefan - To

Re: [VOTE] Shut down the 1.6 branch after 1.6.5

2005-05-23 Thread Steve Cohen
Stefan Bodewig wrote: Hi, it's my strong belief that part of the reason the javah and move bugs made it into 1.6.3 is that our branches are living too long. The same happened to 1.5.2 (which required 1.5.3 quickly) because the 1.5 branch lived to long (IMHO). In my day-to-day Ant usage I use

Re: [VOTE] Shut down the 1.6 branch after 1.6.5

2005-05-23 Thread jm
+1 Martijn - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [VOTE] Shut down the 1.6 branch after 1.6.5

2005-05-23 Thread Steve Loughran
Kev Jackson wrote: Stefan Bodewig wrote: Hi, it's my strong belief that part of the reason the javah and move bugs made it into 1.6.3 is that our branches are living too long. The same happened to 1.5.2 (which required 1.5.3 quickly) because the 1.5 branch lived to long (IMHO). In my

Re: [VOTE] Shut down the 1.6 branch after 1.6.5

2005-05-23 Thread Conor MacNeill
Stefan Bodewig wrote: Hi, This leads me to the subject of this vote. Let's get rid of the branch, stabelize CVS HEAD and release 1.7.0-beta in a reasonable time-frame. +1 Conor - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [VOTE] Shut down the 1.6 branch after 1.6.5

2005-05-23 Thread Stefan Bodewig
On Mon, 23 May 2005, Steve Loughran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was it Ant1.2 that evaluated properties in the order they were encountered at parse time, not execution time? No, everything before Ant 1.2 did. Ant1.5 probably marked the change, Agreed. Question is, what was better: early

Re: [VOTE] Shut down the 1.6 branch after 1.6.5

2005-05-23 Thread Alexey Solofnenko
I am also using CVS HEAD and it seems pretty stable for me. - Alexey. On 5/23/05, Stefan Bodewig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, it's my strong belief that part of the reason the javah and move bugs made it into 1.6.3 is that our branches are living too long. The same happened to 1.5.2

Re: [VOTE] Shut down the 1.6 branch after 1.6.5

2005-05-23 Thread Matt Benson
--- Stefan Bodewig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [SNIP] In my day-to-day Ant usage I use CVS HEAD, all the time, exclusively. Sometimes I merge changes into the 1.6 branch without merging the unit tests as well. Sometimes I don't merge changes at all. Sometimes I forget to pull a change from