Re: [DISCUSS][CAMEL-3.0] Does camel need a web console

2013-01-25 Thread Johan Edstrom
Either or, I prefer 2 but sandbox might be a good idea. On Jan 25, 2013, at 16:43, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote: > I'd keep this thread short and focus on achieving consensus (if possible) on > what to do with the existing console. So far it looks to me like there is > (almost(*)) consensus on not ha

Re: [DISCUSS][CAMEL-3.0] Does camel need a web console

2013-01-25 Thread Hadrian Zbarcea
I'd keep this thread short and focus on achieving consensus (if possible) on what to do with the existing console. So far it looks to me like there is (almost(*)) consensus on not having the console part of the camel distro. The contenders are: 1. James proposal to move it to the sandbox (as a

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Re: [DISCUSS][CAMEL-3.0] Does camel need a web console

2013-01-25 Thread Christian Schneider
I think even both may be possible. We could have plugins for apache projects that are written inside the projects or outside. Depending on the interest of a project to build such a plugin and the feasibility to develop it independent of the project release cycle. The core part of my idea is th

Re: [DISCUSS][CAMEL-3.0] Does camel need a web console

2013-01-25 Thread Guillaume Nodet
On the other hand, if the plugin is developped outside the Camel project, it could be written to support multiple camel versions at the same time, especially older versions. Which might be harder (though not impossible) if hosted inside camel project itself. On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 11:36 PM, Chr

Re: [DISCUSS][CAMEL-3.0] Does camel need a web console

2013-01-25 Thread Christian Schneider
I think it makes sense to trash the current console at some point. On the other hand I think we need a good replacement. As the camel management APIs evolve over time I think it makes sense to develop the camel specific parts of a management console in the camel project. What I would like to

Re: [DISCUSS][CAMEL-3.0] Does camel need a web console

2013-01-25 Thread Raul Kripalani
So if the reason for trashing the console out of the Camel code base is the proven lack of development focus on it, I wonder if it'd make sense to contact the person behind the camelwatch project to ask if he'd be willing to contribute it to ASF. Fair enough it's not the slickest UI, but maybe he'

Re: [DISCUSS][CAMEL-3.0] Does camel need a web console

2013-01-25 Thread Daniel Kulp
I have to agree with the idea of removing it completely. There are a couple good consoles out there that are better than what we have and maintained by people/communities that are better equipped to maintain ui things. I'd say let the users find the one that fits their needs best. Dan O

[HEADS-UP] About the newest failed build on the CI-Server

2013-01-25 Thread Babak Vahdat
Hi After the upgrade to Scala 2.10 the build on the CI-Server failed as apparently it's maven plugin requires minimum Maven 3.0.4+. https://builds.apache.org/job/Camel.trunk.notest/1772/console However we can't make use of Maven 3.0.4 because of the old issue we have had with the camel-msv modul

Re: [DISCUSS][CAMEL-3.0] Does camel need a web console

2013-01-25 Thread Guillaume Nodet
I don't hink Hadrian said that a console has no value, just that the one Camel has is not the best one and that it may be moved away and encourage people to try and use other consoles. On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 6:06 PM, Charles Moulliard wrote: > Hi Hadrian, > > Camel is not only a serve side tec

Re: [DISCUSS][CAMEL-3.0] Does camel need a web console

2013-01-25 Thread Charles Moulliard
Hi Hadrian, Camel is not only a serve side technology and the added value of a web console makes a lot sense regarding endpoint definition/declaration, routes created / camelContext and certainly for tons of others reasons that I could not explain here. You cannot imagine How helpful it is when we

Re: [DISCUSS][CAMEL-3.0] Does camel need a web console

2013-01-25 Thread Robert Davies
I'm in favour of removing the console completely, for the reasons you' d outlined. On 25 Jan 2013, at 16:57, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote: > In the context of a few web based consoles available for Camel, including the > Karaf console and the recently announced hawt.io, the question of if Camel > ne

Re: [DISCUSS][CAMEL-3.0] Does camel need a web console

2013-01-25 Thread James Strachan
I'd be in favour of moving it to a sandbox so folks can tinker with it if they want. On 25 January 2013 16:57, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote: > In the context of a few web based consoles available for Camel, including > the Karaf console and the recently announced hawt.io, the question of if > Camel need

[DISCUSS][CAMEL-3.0] Does camel need a web console

2013-01-25 Thread Hadrian Zbarcea
In the context of a few web based consoles available for Camel, including the Karaf console and the recently announced hawt.io, the question of if Camel needs its own console popped up. My understanding is the some are in favor or Camel continuing to ship with a web console. My personal opinio

Re: Support of Lua language

2013-01-25 Thread Hadrian Zbarcea
It is certainly possible, but there are no plans for that at this time. Contributions are welcome though, if somebody feels strongly about it. You can also ask and get some help from the community. Camel is essentially a java technology, runs on the jvm. That is why it integrates well with lan

Re: Support of Lua language

2013-01-25 Thread Claus Ibsen
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 11:58 AM, pratik_patel wrote: > Hi, > > Is there any plan to support Lua in Camel in near future? > Hi I am not familiar with Lua. Can you share more details what that is? A link to its web site would be handy as well. And what kind of support/integration are you looking

Re: [CAMEL-3.0] Start moving forward

2013-01-25 Thread Guillaume Nodet
I think one of the most interesting part of hawtio is that the same console can be used in OSGi or in a non-OSGi environment and that's is pluggable with dynamic discovery. That's really what we needed for years, back to the ServiceMix 4 early stage. Having a single console that can adapt multiple

Re: Contributing Apollo Component

2013-01-25 Thread iandebeer
Hi Kai and Willem I have it in my private git repo, but I shall extricate the relevant packages from my project and put it on github over the weekend. An additional issue might be that I used SBT (0.12.2) whilst your build environment is Maven. Not too much effort to change that though. Regards I

Re: Contributing Apollo Component

2013-01-25 Thread iandebeer
Hi Claus Yes it is generic Stomp. I did all the testing against Apollo though - will run the tests against ActiveMQ later today and let you know. Regards Ian On 25 Jan 2013, at 9:14 AM, "Claus Ibsen-2 [via Camel]" wrote: > On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 1:20 PM, iandebeer <[hidden email]> wrote: > >

Re: [CAMEL-3.0] Start moving forward

2013-01-25 Thread Charles Moulliard
- Will check more in depth next week hawt.io and have a look to your remarks. - For sure, hawt.io should be the house about camel webconsole and I would appreciate that everybody fully agree about that idea instead of continuying to re-invent new webconsole every next major realease of Camel. - Per

Re: [CAMEL-3.0] Start moving forward

2013-01-25 Thread James Strachan
On 25 January 2013 08:07, Charles Moulliard wrote: > +1 for the project plan and if you are interested I can play the role of > Project Manager to coordinate all the different tasks, actions, define a > plan and > following > manage it > > Concerning the webconsole, http://hawt.io project should b

Re: [CAMEL-3.0] Start moving forward

2013-01-25 Thread Charles Moulliard
+1 for the project plan and if you are interested I can play the role of Project Manager to coordinate all the different tasks, actions, define a plan and following manage it Concerning the webconsole, http://hawt.io project should be the way to go (or at least jolokia - http://jolokia.org/ ) even