Re: [Vision] Knowing When We are Done

2005-12-06 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Berin Loritsch wrote: In all the talks of redesign or not, there has been a recurring question as to the vision. Sylvain has outlined some things that he would like to see, but they really don't constitute a vision. They are a nice list of improvements, but they aren't a vision. In my exper

Re: An entirely new beast

2005-12-06 Thread Reinhard Poetz
Upayavira wrote: I've been thinking more about Sylvain's proposal and ideas. And would like to suggest a way to look at it and see how it fits into the context of what we already have. Sylvain is proposing something different, something that is likely to be almost entirely incompatible with the

Re: dealing with log messages from ehcache

2005-12-06 Thread David Crossley
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: > Cocoon 2.2 uses "running modes" for resolving properties. In the > WEB-INF/properties directory, you'll find two modes"prod" and "dev". By > default, 2.2 is running in dev mode which overrides all log levels > defined in the logkit config and sets them to DEBUG. > > You c

Re: ajax cform and forms_onsubmitHandlers issues

2005-12-06 Thread Quoin Developers
It is also necessary to change forms_onsubmit in forms-lib.js to remove setting the forms_onsubmithandlers to null. Any suggestions about this? It seems that it's import to know when the form is finally submitted vs when it is being ajax submitted. Is this correct? function forms_onsubmit() {

Re: ajax cform and forms_onsubmitHandlers issues

2005-12-06 Thread Quoin Developers
I believe that the source of the problem is cforms.js cocoon.forms.submitForm = function(element, name) { ... forms_onsubmitHandlers = new Array(); Removing the above line seems to solve the problem. Any reason why that line should be there? Can it be removed? Regards, Eric Meyer

ajax cform and forms_onsubmitHandlers issues

2005-12-06 Thread Quoin Developers
Hello, We've run into a problem where javascript event handlers do not work after any ajax form widget fires. For example, before changing a selection box that triggers an ajax event, the forms_onsubmitHandlers has a number of objects in it. After an ajax request, the forms_onsubmitHandlers array

Re: Cocoon 2.2 - Build and deployment with Maven2

2005-12-06 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
>>I'm far over the stage of "remote interest", I can't wait until we have >>switched completely to M2. And Carsten might be interested in discussing >>Maven as well ;) > > Yupp, definitly :) Carsten -- Carsten Ziegeler - Open Source Group, S&N AG http://www.s-und-n.de http://www.osoco.org/webl

Re: dealing with log messages from ehcache

2005-12-06 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
Cocoon 2.2 uses "running modes" for resolving properties. In the WEB-INF/properties directory, you'll find two modes"prod" and "dev". By default, 2.2 is running in dev mode which overrides all log levels defined in the logkit config and sets them to DEBUG. You can either set the running mode to "p

help please!

2005-12-06 Thread lordsh
good morning , or better good night I don't know English very well , and for this this email is orrible. i have a problem , please help me! i must to create a sitemap with the html generator and an xslt generator, but don't work or better or work the xslt without the html generator or the html gen

Re: An entirely new beast

2005-12-06 Thread Berin Loritsch
Upayavira wrote: I've been thinking more about Sylvain's proposal and ideas. And would like to suggest a way to look at it and see how it fits into the context of what we already have. Sylvain is proposing something different, something that is likely to be almost entirely incompatible with the

Re: An entirely new beast

2005-12-06 Thread Mark Lundquist
On Dec 6, 2005, at 2:31 PM, Upayavira wrote: This, it is _not_ Cocoon 3.0. It is something else. Thus, I agree with Sylvain that it should have a new name, but think that Raccoon is a bad one, as it is a play on Cocoon and could never really be the project's real name. Imagine it, "powered by

Re: Cocoon 2.2 - Build and deployment with Maven2

2005-12-06 Thread Upayavira
Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: > Jorg Heymans wrote: > >> Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: >> >>> There have been a long discussion on Felix-dev about how to use M2 >>> (which is jar based) with OSGi (which is contract based, although at >>> the package level) in the best way. Both people from Maven and >>> Ecl

An entirely new beast

2005-12-06 Thread Upayavira
I've been thinking more about Sylvain's proposal and ideas. And would like to suggest a way to look at it and see how it fits into the context of what we already have. Sylvain is proposing something different, something that is likely to be almost entirely incompatible with the existing Cocoon. If

Re: Cocoon 2.2 - Build and deployment with Maven2

2005-12-06 Thread Daniel Fagerstrom
Jorg Heymans wrote: Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: There have been a long discussion on Felix-dev about how to use M2 (which is jar based) with OSGi (which is contract based, although at the package level) in the best way. Both people from Maven and Eclipse have been involved. We can use what they

Re: Cocoon 2.2 - Build and deployment with Maven2

2005-12-06 Thread Jorg Heymans
Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: There have been a long discussion on Felix-dev about how to use M2 (which is jar based) with OSGi (which is contract based, although at the package level) in the best way. Both people from Maven and Eclipse have been involved. We can use what they come up with later,

Re: Cocoon 2.2 - Build and deployment with Maven2

2005-12-06 Thread Daniel Fagerstrom
BURGHARD Éric wrote: Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: What do you think about moving block dependecy handling from block.xml to pom.xml? It means reduced flexibilty as block dependencies becomes direct instead of indirect as in the current schema. OTH it reduce complexity and fullfills our current u

Re: Cocoon 2.2 - Build and deployment with Maven2

2005-12-06 Thread Reinhard Poetz
Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: Simplicity vs flexibillity ;) Anyway, the important thing is to get something that works ASAP, and the block code is designed for B) and you seem to think that it is easier with M2, so go ahead with B). We can impove usabillity with various "conventions" at a later s

Re: Cocoon 2.2 - Build and deployment with Maven2

2005-12-06 Thread Daniel Fagerstrom
Reinhard Poetz wrote: Jorg Heymans wrote: Reinhard Poetz wrote: What do you think about moving block dependecy handling from block.xml to pom.xml? It means reduced flexibilty as block dependencies becomes IIUC, the dependency handling discussed here is the deploy-time dependency ha

Re: Cocoon 2.2 - Build and deployment with Maven2

2005-12-06 Thread Reinhard Poetz
Jorg Heymans wrote: Reinhard Poetz wrote: What do you think about moving block dependecy handling from block.xml to pom.xml? It means reduced flexibilty as block dependencies becomes IIUC, the dependency handling discussed here is the deploy-time dependency handling, thus only relevant

[Vision] Knowing When We are Done

2005-12-06 Thread Berin Loritsch
In all the talks of redesign or not, there has been a recurring question as to the vision. Sylvain has outlined some things that he would like to see, but they really don't constitute a vision. They are a nice list of improvements, but they aren't a vision. In my experience the best visions

Re: [RT] The next shiny thing?

2005-12-06 Thread Berin Loritsch
Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: Berin Loritsch wrote: I will continue to be proud of our brand, our product and our community. And I will continue the work on *Cocoon* towards the future in an evolutionary way, so that those who have put their trust in us have a reasonable migration path to follow.

Re: [RT] The next shiny thing?

2005-12-06 Thread Daniel Fagerstrom
Berin Loritsch wrote: Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: To me: * throwing away the collected work of the community * building something rather different * throwing away a strong brand * leave all the users who has put a trust in us behind seem like a rather strange way of "saving" Cocoon. It seemed

Re: [RT] The next shiny thing?

2005-12-06 Thread Daniel Fagerstrom
Romano Trampus wrote: Sorry, I read "spots" of this list and somebody could have written the same: I think the cocoon package is too big. I would prefer a core and a lot of plugins, not in the same distribution. I think the cocoon package is great but confusing. With plugins you have not to ca

RE: [RT] The next shiny thing?

2005-12-06 Thread Romano Trampus
Sorry, I read "spots" of this list and somebody could have written the same: I think the cocoon package is too big. I would prefer a core and a lot of plugins, not in the same distribution. I think the cocoon package is great but confusing. With plugins you have not to care that anything must ha

Re: where is the box?

2005-12-06 Thread Irv Salisbury
What I write here is just one vote, but maybe others think the same. For all of our enterprise projects we have done in Cocoon, if it hadn't been Java, we wouldn't have been allowed to use it.  Our customers understand Java and it is currently equated with enterprise. Now, it is difficult enough

Re: [RT] The next shiny thing?

2005-12-06 Thread Berin Loritsch
Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: To me: * throwing away the collected work of the community * building something rather different * throwing away a strong brand * leave all the users who has put a trust in us behind seem like a rather strange way of "saving" Cocoon. It seemed like a rather strange

Re: [RT] The next shiny thing?

2005-12-06 Thread hepabolu
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Le 6 déc. 05, à 10:12, Ugo Cei a écrit : ...I also see "Too soon" on that list, which might be descriptive of the feelings of some people on this list ;). It might be too soon to choose a name for something which doesn't exist yet...but choosing a "code name" help

Re: [RT] The next shiny thing?

2005-12-06 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Steven Noels wrote: On 06 Dec 2005, at 12:04, Sylvain Wallez wrote: Steven Noels wrote: On 06 Dec 2005, at 09:59, Sylvain Wallez wrote: Struts has Shale Meeep. Bu. Wrong. Struts has Craig. And Tapestry has Howard and Spring has Rod. What do you mean? I meant to say that Struts is

Problem with loc namespace

2005-12-06 Thread BURGHARD Éric
Hi, I'm using eXist XQueryGenerator in a simple pipeline. It works correctly when i call it directly from my browser with correct parameters. Now this pipeline is called from o.a.c.w.a.c.PipelineAuthenticator.authenticate(PipelineAuthenticator.java:145) during a flow flogin and i've got an except

Re: [RT][long] Cocoon 3.0: the necessary mutation

2005-12-06 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Luca Morandini wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Luca Morandini wrote: Nevertheless, it is easier to build a tool around a declarative language expressed as XML, than a procedural language expressed as... a procedural programming language. I'm sorry, Luca, but I think that's BS. For example

Re: [RT] The next shiny thing?

2005-12-06 Thread Steven Noels
On 06 Dec 2005, at 12:04, Sylvain Wallez wrote: Steven Noels wrote: On 06 Dec 2005, at 09:59, Sylvain Wallez wrote: Struts has Shale Meeep. Bu. Wrong. Struts has Craig. And Tapestry has Howard and Spring has Rod. What do you mean? I meant to say that Struts is a bad example since i

Re: AJAX and upload field

2005-12-06 Thread Robin Wyles
Forgot the patch... cforms-upload.patch Description: Binary data On 6 Dec 2005, at 12:51, Robin Wyles wrote: Sylvain, On 6 Dec 2005, at 12:20, Sylvain Wallez wrote: Robin Wyles wrote: Hi All, I noticed that if a form contains a file field then AJAX is completely disabled for that for

Re: AJAX and upload field

2005-12-06 Thread Robin Wyles
Sylvain, On 6 Dec 2005, at 12:20, Sylvain Wallez wrote: Robin Wyles wrote: Hi All, I noticed that if a form contains a file field then AJAX is completely disabled for that form. I've patched my cforms.js so that it disables AJAX only if the file field contains a value. Is this valid? Yes

Re: AJAX and upload field

2005-12-06 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Robin Wyles wrote: Hi All, I noticed that if a form contains a file field then AJAX is completely disabled for that form. I've patched my cforms.js so that it disables AJAX only if the file field contains a value. Is this valid? Yes, definitely. On a more general note would it not be possib

AJAX and upload field

2005-12-06 Thread Robin Wyles
Hi All, I noticed that if a form contains a file field then AJAX is completely disabled for that form. I've patched my cforms.js so that it disables AJAX only if the file field contains a value. Is this valid? On a more general note would it not be possible to check only the fields which are

Re: [RT] The next shiny thing?

2005-12-06 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Steven Noels wrote: On 06 Dec 2005, at 09:59, Sylvain Wallez wrote: Struts has Shale Meeep. Bu. Wrong. Struts has Craig. And Tapestry has Howard and Spring has Rod. What do you mean? That Cocoon misses someone that can fully dedicate to it and plays the benevolent dictator? Sylvain

RepeaterJXPathBinding

2005-12-06 Thread Robin Wyles
Hi All, Up until recently I was able to have a repeater binding like this... [...] This would handle the loading, updating and deleting of rows in the repeater, but ignore newly added row

Re: [RT] The next shiny thing?

2005-12-06 Thread Steven Noels
On 06 Dec 2005, at 09:59, Sylvain Wallez wrote: Struts has Shale Meeep. Bu. Wrong. Struts has Craig. It's a telltale of Cocoon's problem that we're off discussing marketing techniques and branding again, without having any design, code, nor dedication to boot with. A busy thread just

Re: [RT] The next shiny thing?

2005-12-06 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Ugo Cei wrote: Il giorno 06/dic/05, alle ore 10:01, Sylvain Wallez ha scritto: Il like this friendly animal and the rhyme with Cocoon. Now there's also "Baboon" :-) Have a look at http://www.rhymezone.com/r/rhyme.cgi?Word=cocoon&typeofrhyme=perfect&org1=syl&org2=l I also see "Too soon"

Re: [RT] The next shiny thing?

2005-12-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le 6 déc. 05, à 10:17, Matthew Langham a écrit : Where is the vision? Delivering some of the unique things that are inside Cocoon in much smaller independent packages, to make them useful to people who don't need all of Cocoon. Dunno if this qualifies as a vision, but it's how I see it ;-)

Re: [RT] The next shiny thing?

2005-12-06 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Matthew Langham wrote: No, the brand is not strong. Look around among people that have *not* used Cocoon and ask them what it is. Most of them will tell you "it's a publishing engine", or even "it's a tool to perform XSL transformations". What we have now and what we're building is much mor

Re: [RT] The next shiny thing?

2005-12-06 Thread Daniel Fagerstrom
To me: * throwing away the collected work of the community * building something rather different * throwing away a strong brand * leave all the users who has put a trust in us behind seem like a rather strange way of "saving" Cocoon. I will continue to be proud of our brand, our product and our

RE: [RT] The next shiny thing?

2005-12-06 Thread Matthew Langham
> > No, the brand is not strong. > > Look around among people that have *not* used Cocoon and ask > them what it is. Most of them will tell you "it's a > publishing engine", or even "it's a tool to perform XSL > transformations". > > What we have now and what we're building is much more than

Re: [RT] The next shiny thing?

2005-12-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le 6 déc. 05, à 10:12, Ugo Cei a écrit : ...I also see "Too soon" on that list, which might be descriptive of the feelings of some people on this list ;). It might be too soon to choose a name for something which doesn't exist yet...but choosing a "code name" helps clarifying what we're talki

Re: [RT] The next shiny thing?

2005-12-06 Thread Ugo Cei
Il giorno 06/dic/05, alle ore 10:01, Sylvain Wallez ha scritto: Il like this friendly animal and the rhyme with Cocoon. Now there's also "Baboon" :-) Have a look at http://www.rhymezone.com/r/rhyme.cgi? Word=cocoon&typeofrhyme=perfect&org1=syl&org2=l I also see "Too soon" on that list, wh

Re: [RT] The next shiny thing?

2005-12-06 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Ugo Cei wrote: Il giorno 06/dic/05, alle ore 01:24, David Crossley ha scritto: I started to draft here what the next-generation Cocoon should be. I dubbed it "Racoon" (with Andrew's permission) as I really think that from a marketing point of view, a new name should be used so that people don

Re: [RT] The next shiny thing?

2005-12-06 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Marc Portier wrote: David Crossley wrote: Please don't. Cocoon is the name +1, same opinion here the brand is strong enough, and can cope with major release numbers that indicate we had serious new insights No, the brand is not strong. Look around among people that have *not* used C

Re: [RT] The next shiny thing?

2005-12-06 Thread Ugo Cei
Il giorno 06/dic/05, alle ore 01:24, David Crossley ha scritto: I started to draft here what the next-generation Cocoon should be. I dubbed it "Racoon" (with Andrew's permission) as I really think that from a marketing point of view, a new name should be used so that people don't see it as a