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Erik Bruchez wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: >> o We do strongly believe that the XML pipeline language in OPS beats >> the ... out of Cocoon pipelines ;-) > > Oh, that's a bold statement :-) Yes ;-) > eheh, one step up and two step back. Your pipeline language feels > turing complete (have

Re: [CocoonInAction] 2 new articles

Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: >> o We do strongly believe that the XML pipeline language in OPS beats >> the ... out of Cocoon pipelines ;-) > > Oh, that's a bold statement :-) Yes ;-) > eheh, one step up and two step back. Your pipeline language feels > turing complete (haven't proved it but I think

Re: [CocoonInAction] 2 new articles

Antonio Gallardo wrote: A fast checking to the matrix in: http://www.orbeon.com/community/cocoon Antonio: enough. Let's move on. -- Stefano.

Re: [CocoonInAction] 2 new articles

A fast checking to the matrix in: http://www.orbeon.com/community/cocoon Pipeline language/Iterations -- In cocoon is posible with flow. Web Application/XForms support -- We don't nothing "propetary", we are an OS project. Perhaps "non-standard" is a better definition for Cforms. Languages/XSLT 2

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Sylvain Wallez wrote: > That is the exact definition of a marketing document rather than an > objective comparison ;-) Then I agree, it is a marketing document ;-) This is just an impossible task: when you are so into a platform or technology, how can you be actually fair to others, in spite of you

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> "my SoC is bigger than yours". > Ok, people, enough bikeshedding. > > Let's get back to work. And all this because of an introduction to a Cocoon tutorial. Now I remember why I didn't want to write this part in the first place. Let's SHOW Cocoon's features and let everyone judge for themselv

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Erik Bruchez wrote: [snip] I don't believe the comparison can be all wrong, or even all unfair, even if there is certainly subjectivity in it, and even if we mainly mention OPS's strengths rather than weaknesses. Well, tell you what: rule number one of any CTO/CIO is never to believe in what a we

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On Dom, 17 de Abril de 2005, 13:52, Sebastien Arbogast dijo: > Wow wow wow... > I didn't intend to trigger some kind of "civil war" ;o) I think this is not going to happen. AFAIK, Erick point is: "Cocoon community often say the comparison matrix is not fair. OK, lets fix it." And I think this i

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Erik Bruchez wrote: Sylvain Wallez wrote: >> Look at this page : >> http://www.orbeon.com/community/cocoon >> I don't know exactly if all this information is verified, but I think >> this type of comparison is a good point. > > We looked at it, and some points in this comparison are clearly wrong.

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Sebastien Arbogast wrote: Anyway, as I said this was not my first intention, I didn't want to bring that kind of comparison to this list which is (if I remember well) dedicated do Cocoon development. So I sincerely hope that this conversation will not degenerate into some kind of ideological argue.

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Mats wrote: > A lot of statements about cocoon have no description of the > functionality or the possibilities, instead they focus on "Not > recommended", "yes, but limited", "possible but not encouraged", > "Undocumented. May be possible with TrAX." To me this is pure > marketing junk. :) It's in

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Mats wrote: Well, different people have different needs and different visions on how to develop applications. There is no right or wrong. The comparison at orbeons site may or may not be correct, but Erik and the developers over at Orbeon are trying to market their product. In doing that they m

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Well, different people have different needs and different visions on how to develop applications. There is no right or wrong. The comparison at orbeons site may or may not be correct, but Erik and the developers over at Orbeon are trying to market their product. In doing that they made a compar

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Wow wow wow... I didn't intend to trigger some kind of "civil war" ;o) I think that what you say, Erik, makes sense but do you really think it's the right place for that kind of advocacy. I mean... what would you think if you were in your bank talking with your banker and someone from the competito

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Sylvain Wallez wrote: >> Look at this page : >> http://www.orbeon.com/community/cocoon >> I don't know exactly if all this information is verified, but I think >> this type of comparison is a good point. > > We looked at it, and some points in this comparison are clearly wrong. Sorry to interfere o

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Sebastien Arbogast wrote: Why is Orbeon "the first one"? FYI, Cocoon started in 1999. Orbeon claims to be standards-compliant but it's not much more than Cocoon is, and Cocoon's architecture brings much more potential to *integrate* implementation of standards. "The first one" was more a rheto

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Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: Sylvain Wallez wrote: Yeah, they claim XForms compliance. But how much of XForms? Not that much more than what XMLForm was providing in Cocoon 2 years ago when we decided to abandon it because a server-side XForm implementation is either overly complex or too much limit

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> There are other opinions in that matter: > > http://chiba.sourceforge.net/ > http://chiba.sourceforge.net/features.html Yes this project is very interesting and I think that I will study it very carefully for my own use. The question I'm asking myself right now is to figure out how I could gene

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> Why is Orbeon "the first one"? FYI, Cocoon started in 1999. Orbeon > claims to be standards-compliant but it's not much more than Cocoon is, > and Cocoon's architecture brings much more potential to *integrate* > implementation of standards. "The first one" was more a rhetoric formula : you alwa

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Sylvain Wallez wrote: Yeah, they claim XForms compliance. But how much of XForms? Not that much more than what XMLForm was providing in Cocoon 2 years ago when we decided to abandon it because a server-side XForm implementation is either overly complex or too much limited. There are other opini

Re: [CocoonInAction] 2 new articles

Sebastien Arbogast wrote: Hi, Just some fresh news about our starting project. 2 new articles were published on Cocoon In Action community website. - Project objectives -> Motivation

[CocoonInAction] 2 new articles

Hi,Just some fresh news about our starting project. 2 new articles were published on Cocoon In Action community website. - Project objectives -> Motivation - Case Study Application -> HealthyCocoon, from Helma's suggestion on this list. Of course every comment or feedback is welcome. You can also