Re: [RT] Updating our marketing strategy

2003-08-14 Thread Steven Noels
On 29/07/2003 9:28 Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: I'll write something up. I needed something for a conference I'll be speaking, and I came up with: "Apache Cocoon is a compelling XML-centric framework for building serious web applications. Different from traditional development frameworks, Cocoon pr

RE: [RT] Updating our marketing strategy

2003-08-14 Thread Hunsberger, Peter
Geoff Howard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 6:22 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [RT] Updating our marketing strategy > > > Hunsberger, Peter wrote: > > Geoff Howard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asks: > > > > > &

Re: [RT] Updating our marketing strategy

2003-08-14 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mardi, 5 aoû 2003, à 10:29 Europe/Zurich, Steven Noels a écrit : ...I needed something for a conference I'll be speaking, and I came up with: "Apache Cocoon is a compelling XML-centric framework "compelling" sounds like marketingspeak to me, I'd take it out for building serious web applicati

Re: [RT] Updating our marketing strategy

2003-08-14 Thread Geoff Howard
Hunsberger, Peter wrote: Geoff Howard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asks: Related to positioning ourselves as glue/duct tape: Speaking of J2EE, I think we are really missing the boat by not offering really dead-simple integration with EJB (even though so many here are waiting for its carcass). The fac

Re: [RT] Updating our marketing strategy

2003-08-10 Thread Konstantin Piroumian
From: "Steven Noels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On 29/07/2003 9:28 Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > > > I'll write something up. > > I needed something for a conference I'll be speaking, and I came up with: > > "Apache Cocoon is a compelling XML-centric framework for building > serious web applications. Sorr

Re: [RT] Updating our marketing strategy

2003-08-06 Thread Richard in Public
What sort of people will be in the audience? (Sorry if I missed an earlier explanation?) Robert Sayre wrote: On 8/5/03 4:29 AM, "Steven Noels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 29/07/2003 9:28 Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: I'll write something up. I needed something for a conference I'll

Re: [RT] Updating our marketing strategy

2003-08-05 Thread Robert Sayre
On 8/5/03 4:29 AM, "Steven Noels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 29/07/2003 9:28 Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > >> I'll write something up. > > I needed something for a conference I'll be speaking, and I came up with: > > "Apache Cocoon is a compelling XML-centric framework for building > serious

Re: [RT] Updating our marketing strategy

2003-08-05 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On Tuesday, Aug 5, 2003, at 10:29 Europe/Rome, Steven Noels wrote: On 29/07/2003 9:28 Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: I'll write something up. I needed something for a conference I'll be speaking, and I came up with: "Apache Cocoon is a compelling XML-centric framework for building serious web applic

Re: [RT] Updating our marketing strategy

2003-07-29 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On Tuesday, Jul 29, 2003, at 05:10 Europe/Rome, Vadim Gritsenko wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Cocoon is glue and duct tape for your web needs. ... I propose to choose the humble one. I guess we are all agree with your RT. What's next -- what we are going to update? :) I'll write something u

Re: [RT] Updating our marketing strategy

2003-07-28 Thread Vadim Gritsenko
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Cocoon is glue and duct tape for your web needs. ... I propose to choose the humble one. I guess we are all agree with your RT. What's next -- what we are going to update? :) Vadim

RE: [RT] Updating our marketing strategy

2003-07-25 Thread Hunsberger, Peter
Geoff Howard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asks: > Related to positioning ourselves as glue/duct tape: > Speaking of J2EE, I think we are really missing the boat by > not offering > really dead-simple integration with EJB (even though so many here are > waiting for its carcass). The fact is that EJB f

Re: [RT] Updating our marketing strategy

2003-07-24 Thread Berin Loritsch
Tony Collen wrote: I think that having a "Testimonials" section will also help. Real comments from real users. How did it save time? How did it make things easier to maintain? When did it pay off? Yes, damn it. We need that. I'll write a letter copying users@ for this. I have a good st

Re: [RT] Updating our marketing strategy

2003-07-24 Thread Tony Collen
(phew, awesome thread, I'll try to reply to stuff inline ) Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: On Thursday, Jul 24, 2003, at 15:02 Europe/Rome, Berin Loritsch wrote: I think that having a "Testimonials" section will also help. Real comments from real users. How did it save time? How did it make thi

Re: [RT] Updating our marketing strategy

2003-07-24 Thread Simon Hürlimann (IMSEC)
Hi all I just subscribed to this list a few minutes ago, so if I missed something... :-) Am Donnerstag, 24. Juli 2003 16.05 schrieb Stefano Mazzocchi: > On Thursday, Jul 24, 2003, at 15:02 Europe/Rome, Berin Loritsch wrote: > > Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: [snip] > >> Once cocoon enters a working en

Re: [RT] Updating our marketing strategy

2003-07-24 Thread Geoff Howard
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Remember, it is included in JBuilder, which is no small feat. As I recall, I don't remember Struts or Turbine being included THat is a definite start and part of the "marketing" package. Yes, but they include Cocoon 1 and they do a really poor job at it. (the perso

Re: [RT] Updating our marketing strategy

2003-07-24 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On Thursday, Jul 24, 2003, at 15:02 Europe/Rome, Berin Loritsch wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: I'm on the plane back to Italy. My iTunes plays Celia Cruz's "el carnival de la vida" in honor of her recent death. And I'm thinking that the time has arrived for this RT to land. In really short ter

Re: [RT] Updating our marketing strategy

2003-07-24 Thread Berin Loritsch
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: I'm on the plane back to Italy. My iTunes plays Celia Cruz's "el carnival de la vida" in honor of her recent death. And I'm thinking that the time has arrived for this RT to land. In really short term: Cocoon is mismarketed. I think many realize this. What many don't

Re: [RT] Updating our marketing strategy

2003-07-24 Thread Geoff Howard
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: I'm on the plane back to Italy. My iTunes plays Celia Cruz's "el carnival de la vida" in honor of her recent death. And I'm thinking that the time has arrived for this RT to land. In really short term: Cocoon is mismarketed. I think many realize this. ... Cocoon is glu

[RT] Updating our marketing strategy

2003-07-24 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
I'm on the plane back to Italy. My iTunes plays Celia Cruz's "el carnival de la vida" in honor of her recent death. And I'm thinking that the time has arrived for this RT to land. In really short term: Cocoon is mismarketed. I think many realize this. What many don't necessarely realize is tha