Re: [Proposal] add DTDs to Apache website

2004-02-12 Thread David Crossley
Thanks to everyone who responded. The discussion seems to have gone quiet, so it is time to summarise. I am not going to call a Vote on this, rather just do it. If anyone thinks otherwise then say so. These are the original set of issues. I have added comments based on the discussion, and added t

Re: [Proposal] add DTDs to Apache website

2004-01-16 Thread Roger I Martin PhD
- Original Message - From: "David Crossley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 2:50 AM Subject: Re: [Proposal] add DTDs to Apache website > Roger I Martin PhD wrote: > > There are schema definitions at > >

Re: [Proposal] add DTDs to Apache website

2004-01-16 Thread David Crossley
Roger I Martin PhD wrote: > There are schema definitions at > > C:\apache\cocoon-2.1\src\blocks\databases\samples\xsp\esql.xsd for esql > C:\apache\cocoon-2.1\src\documentation\xdocs\drafts\sitemap-2.1-draft.xsd > for *.xmap > > Are these to be organised with the DTDs of this proposal? No, there

Re: [Proposal] add DTDs to Apache website

2004-01-15 Thread David Crossley
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > Juan Jose Pablos wrote: > > > Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > > > > > >> Stefano, who has been waiting for some 18 months for somebody else to > >> come up with the idea of having forrest pregenerating the .htaccess > >> file to do some sort of poor-man multichannel or c

Re: [Proposal] add DTDs to Apache website

2004-01-15 Thread David Crossley
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > David Crossley wrote: > > Dave Brondsema wrote: > >> David Crossley wrote: > >> > >>> 6) What will be the URLs for the DTDs? > >>> http://xml.apache.org/forrest/dtd/... > >>> We presume that Forrest will not be a top-level project soon. > >> > >> The forrest docs and forr

Re: [Proposal] add DTDs to Apache website

2004-01-15 Thread Juan Jose Pablos
Stefano, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: nono, you guys don't get it: it was a social experiment about cross pollination between the java/xml world and the httpd world. Are you talking about forrest?, I did like the idea but I do not know what would be posible to do with .htaccess. To tell you the tru

Re: [Proposal] add DTDs to Apache website

2004-01-15 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On 15 Jan 2004, at 16:15, Juan Jose Pablos wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Stefano, who has been waiting for some 18 months for somebody else to come up with the idea of having forrest pregenerating the .htaccess file to do some sort of poor-man multichannel or content negotiation, but has

Re: [Proposal] add DTDs to Apache website

2004-01-15 Thread Roger I Martin PhD
efano Mazzocchi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [Proposal] add DTDs to Apache website > > On 15 Jan 2004, at 05:05, David Crossley wrote: > > > Joerg Heinicke wrote: &

Re: [Proposal] add DTDs to Apache website

2004-01-15 Thread Juan Jose Pablos
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Stefano, who has been waiting for some 18 months for somebody else to come up with the idea of having forrest pregenerating the .htaccess file to do some sort of poor-man multichannel or content negotiation, but has lost hope so it's time to inject notion in the syst

Re: [Proposal] add DTDs to Apache website

2004-01-15 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
On 15 Jan 2004, at 05:05, David Crossley wrote: Joerg Heinicke wrote: David Crossley wrote: 3) The Forrest website is built using the "stable" version of Forrest (currently v0.5.1). So how will DTDs from the current CVS (v0.6-dev) get into the website CVS [3]? Manual copy? See 4). 4) If some comm

Re: [Proposal] add DTDs to Apache website

2004-01-15 Thread Joerg Heinicke
On 15.01.2004 05:05, David Crossley wrote: 9) We will never know if the Catalog Entity Resolver gets broken after an upgrade. Forrest will still work but will be slower, doing downloads of the DTD and supporting files on each document parse. We can probably add a test document in the "forrest seed

Re: [Proposal] add DTDs to Apache website

2004-01-14 Thread David Crossley
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: > David Crossley wrote: > ... > > 2) The Forrest build system is complex. It would be good to automate > > the publishing of DTD versions, but that may not be possible. > > Could you please explain a bit more? I was mainly hinting that it might need to be a manual task.

Re: [Proposal] add DTDs to Apache website

2004-01-14 Thread David Crossley
Joerg Heinicke wrote: > David Crossley wrote: > > > 3) The Forrest website is built using the "stable" version of > > Forrest (currently v0.5.1). So how will DTDs from the current > > CVS (v0.6-dev) get into the website CVS [3]? Manual copy? See 4). > > > > 4) If some committer changes the DTDs i

Re: [Proposal] add DTDs to Apache website

2004-01-14 Thread Joerg Heinicke
I'm not CCing Forrest as I'm not subscribed there and they don't moderate my mails through. On 14.01.2004 05:53, David Crossley wrote: 3) The Forrest website is built using the "stable" version of Forrest (currently v0.5.1). So how will DTDs from the current CVS (v0.6-dev) get into the website C

Re: [Proposal] add DTDs to Apache website

2004-01-14 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
David Crossley wrote: ... 2) The Forrest build system is complex. It would be good to automate the publishing of DTD versions, but that may not be possible. Could you please explain a bit more? If it's just about placing the schema dir, or some of those dirs, in a predefined place, it can be done

Re: [Proposal] add DTDs to Apache website

2004-01-14 Thread Steven Noels
On Jan 14, 2004, at 11:46 AM, David Crossley wrote: David Crossley wrote: 7) Does the Apache webserver deliver the supporting files using the appropriate Content-Type? Is that "text/plain"? Does it matter? We have *.dtd and *.mod and *.pen and *.ent extensions. This is what the webserver reports:

Re: [Proposal] add DTDs to Apache website

2004-01-14 Thread David Crossley
David Crossley wrote: > David Crossley wrote: > > Marshall Roch wrote: > > > > > > You've convinced me that it's not worth the effort to get > > > the DTDs online. See below. (...about configuration notes.) > > > > It is worth the effort. We get way too many questions from users. > > One of mai

Re: [Proposal] add DTDs to Apache website

2004-01-14 Thread David Crossley
David Crossley wrote: > > 7) Does the Apache webserver deliver the supporting files using > the appropriate Content-Type? Is that "text/plain"? Does it matter? > We have *.dtd and *.mod and *.pen and *.ent extensions. This is what the webserver reports: *.dtd ... Content-Type: application/xml-dt